Drink Driving...DO YOU DO IT ? ? ?

Red_Marauder · 30-11-2009 05:58PM

I have done it most of my life but always on like an avenue used only by own family and some other people that you cant go above about 15mph anyway because of pot holes. When youre doing it on a road like that, Bruce blaring out the open windows at 4am, you know, it can kind of be fun!
When I was seventeen my Dad used to park the jeep and the end of the road for me to get home. It was always quite the rollercoaster of nerves going downstairs in the morning to see if I had driven it back in one peice or not.

The Iron Giant · 30-11-2009 06:00PM

Nah I'd never do it.

Far too risky, the punishment and risk of anything happening doesn't equal out. If I drank drove home every night, saved on taxis for 20 years etc etc, even one mistake nullifies any advantage ever gained from it.

Prison, a fine, loss of my license, a mark on the rest of my life in any job or visas, I'd find it hard to cope and it'd make my life hell, but killing someone else or injuring someone badly, there's no way could never live with myself or ever enjoy life knowing what I did.

SV · 30-11-2009 06:02PM

Degag wrote: »

The mind boggles if you think that driving at 160 km/h is not slightly dangerous.

It's not dangerous.. Not even in the slightest. I doubt you'd even notice a difference if the motorway signs said 160.

SV · 30-11-2009 06:08PM

omahaid wrote: »

I would **** myself if I was in a car with someone driving at 250km/h.

Sorry if this is a double post but mobile won't let me multiquote.

Anyway, I really doubt you'd be that afraid.. With no cars around and on an empty motorway it's quite normal..

drkpower · 30-11-2009 06:09PM

SV wrote: »

It's not dangerous.. Not even in the slightest. I doubt you'd even notice a difference if the motorway signs said 160.

Regardless of the accuracy (or otherwise) of your assertion that it is safe to drive at 160 or 250 kph on a motorway, the vast vast majority of accidents caused by speed or drink are on national or lesser roads. So the safety of speed or alcohol + driving needs to be assessed on those roads, not on motorways.

The point about alcohol and speed is that it lessens the drivers ability to react in any given situation. So neither is safe. The argument as to which is more dangerous is a long, but ultimately irrelevent one. But to suggest that increased speed does not have any impact on the relative danger of driving is utterly stupid.

mopachop · 06-12-2009 07:31PM

hi people, i few months back i was caught drug driving but i was smoking legal weed so the gardai gave me a drug test and a few weeks later i got a letter saying there was cannabis in my system it didnt show how much i smoked illegal weed about a week before they gave me the drug test.will i still get the same charges as smokin illegal weed?...

Liam Byrne · 06-12-2009 07:33PM

mopachop wrote: »

will i still get the same charges as smokin illegal weed?...

Firstly, what's "legal weed" ?

I'd hope you'd get more; smoking something illegal is one crime; driving after smoking it, putting lives in danger, is another.

itsallaboutheL · 06-12-2009 07:41PM

SV wrote: »

Sorry if this is a double post but mobile won't let me multiquote.

Anyway, I really doubt you'd be that afraid.. With no cars around and on an empty motorway it's quite normal..

Your logic is astonishing

deisedude · 06-12-2009 07:43PM

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Your logic is astonishing

or lack thereof

mopachop · 06-12-2009 07:44PM

im sorry legal cannabis then, i know it is foolish and i truly regret smoking the stuff but need to know will i still get the same charges?..

SV · 06-12-2009 07:45PM

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Your logic is astonishing

Because there's always cars around or?

My point there was you don't even notice the speed in certain conditions so I highly doubt he'd be that afraid.

Liam Byrne · 06-12-2009 07:45PM

mopachop wrote: »

im sorry legal cannabis then

I knew that's what you meant, but since when is any cannibas legal ?

Quackles · 06-12-2009 07:47PM

Never. I can feel a difference in myself after even one drink, so I know my reactions would be dulled. Not a chance.

dvpower · 06-12-2009 07:48PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I knew that's what you meant, but since when is any cannibas legal ?

I think he might be referring to some of the stuff you can buy in the head shops.

SV · 06-12-2009 07:49PM

dvpower wrote: »

I think he might be referring to some of the stuff you can buy in the head shops.

That'd make sense..

I'd say he'll still get charged the same..if the effects it has on you is the same then there's no real reason he shouldn't be charged the same.

Quackles · 06-12-2009 07:49PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I knew that's what you meant, but since when is any cannibas legal ?

News to me.. medicinal, maybe? Cancer patient?

TheZohanS · 06-12-2009 07:50PM

mopachop wrote: »

hi people, i few months back i was caught drug driving but i was smoking legal weed so the gardai gave me a drug test and a few weeks later i got a letter saying there was cannabis in my system it didnt show how much i smoked illegal weed about a week before they gave me the drug test.will i still get the same charges as smokin illegal weed?...

Probably, but best to speak to a solicitor.

itsallaboutheL · 06-12-2009 07:50PM

SV wrote: »

It's not dangerous.. Not even in the slightest. I doubt you'd even notice a difference if the motorway signs said 160.

This?

mopachop · 06-12-2009 07:51PM

legal cannabis is sold in the head shops its legal to smoke it cause it contains no THC..

SV · 06-12-2009 07:52PM

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

This?

Oh that one.
My point is that if the motorway signs said 160km/h I doubt anyone would even notice the increase in speed.
Which is why I find it ridiculous that so many people think 160km/h is very dangerous, it's a tiny increase over the actual speed limit.

The post you quoted was talking about doing 250km/h, which is a different story altogether.

Liam Byrne · 06-12-2009 07:56PM

SV wrote: »

I find it ridiculous that so many people think 160km/h is very dangerous, it's a tiny increase over the actual speed limit.

It's ONE-THIRD EXTRA.

So you'd be happy to take a 33% pay cut, then ? Because it's a "tiny" decrease ?

SV · 06-12-2009 07:58PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

It's ONE-THIRD EXTRA.

So you'd be happy to take a 33% pay cut, then ? Because it's a "tiny" decrease ?

Why would I be happy to take any pay cut?
that's a bit stupid.

edit: also, it's quite funny that the people who are mostly going on about how dangerous speeding is are the people who advocate drink driving.

Liam Byrne · 06-12-2009 08:03PM

SV wrote: »

Why would I be happy to take any pay cut?
that's a bit stupid.

Because it's "tiny" - but nice dodge.

SV wrote: »

also, it's quite funny that the people who are mostly going on about how dangerous speeding is are the people who advocate drink driving.

Nice - if failed - attempt at being smart :rolleyes: I'm 100% consistent, because anything I'm talking about involves staying within legal limits.

Advocating 160 kmph = Advocating drinking 4 pints and driving
Advocating 120kmph = Drinking 2 pints and driving

And if you bothered to read, all I've ever advocated was the 2 pints.

So next time you want to make an "edit", please make sure that it's in some way relevant to the discussion; otherwise it looks pretty pathetic.

Of course, posting that was obviously a transparent attempt at distracting completely from my point.....that 33% could in no way be viewed as "tiny".

But that'd require you to face up that you were wrong.

SV · 06-12-2009 08:06PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Because it's "tiny" - but nice dodge.

Nice - if failed - attempt at being smart :rolleyes: I'm 100% consistent, because anything I'm talking about involves staying within legal limits.

Advocating 160 kmph = Advocating drinking 4 pints and driving
Advocating 120kmph = Drinking 2 pints and driving

And if you bothered to read, all I've ever advocated was the 2 pints.

So next time you want to make an "edit", please make sure that it's in some way relevant to the discussion; otherwise it looks pretty pathetic.

Of course, posting that was obviously a transparent attempt at distracting completely from my point.....that 33% could in no way be viewed as "tiny".

But that'd require you to face up that you were wrong.

It's not a dodge, it's just not worth replying to such a bad analogy.

I know you did, but you're talking about keeping within legal limits and not actually being drunk which isn't what "Drink driving" is and you know full well it isn't.

It's eh..not meant to be relevant? It's a..comment, you know..forum, comments..etc.

It can be viewed as tiny when it comes to the speed limit tbh.
but then if really want to go down that road..I'd gladly take a 33% pay cut if it meant keeping my job yeah, but why would I take one ro no reason?

dylano_k · 06-12-2009 08:13PM

What seems to be the officer problem?

Yes, and never fell off my pushbike once:cool:

Liam Byrne · 06-12-2009 08:16PM

SV wrote: »

I know you did, but you're talking about keeping within legal limits

Thanks for recognising that.

And while I am talking about that (keeping within the law), you're talking about breaking it.

So don't go throwing in stupid phrases about what's "quite funny".

The thread is about "drink driving"; it does not say "drunk driving".

SV · 06-12-2009 08:19PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

The thread is about "drink driving"; it does not say "drunk driving".

Ok but like I've said, I would have thought it universally recognised that 'Drink Driving' means Driving whilst drunk..
apparently not.

drkpower · 06-12-2009 09:05PM

SV wrote: »

Ok but like I've said, I would have thought it universally recognised that 'Drink Driving' means Driving whilst drunk..
apparently not.

Where did you get that idea from?
'Drink Driving' is generally understood as driving whilst over the legal limit. Some people may be 'drunk' while being just over the limit, more people probably wouldnt be.

But 'drunk' is a very subjective term so to say that 'Drink Driving' means Driving whilst drunk is not very helpful nor accurate.

Many things affect a persons ability to react in any given circumstance. Drink, drugs, speed, distractions (ie. mobile phone) - it is a matter of degree but all are 'dangerous' - the more you drink, the more dangerous; the more you smoke weed, the more dangerous; the more you speed, the more dangerous. And your suggestion, which you seem unable to withdraw, that it is perfectly safe to drive at 160kph (or more?) is patently ludicrous.

rodberg007 · 14-12-2009 02:28AM

Ok here's one for ya:

If you were to have 2/3 bottles of beer(in a glass with loads of ice) over the course of 3 hours or so would that be deemed as being over the limit if I was too drive home after...??

I don't drink pints and I guess that's where the discussion has been centered around here - people who think it's ok to have 2 pints and drive after?!

GerM · 14-12-2009 03:26AM

Never given that even at the legal limit reactions are generally down 10%. Seems little enough but 10% can make a world of difference when there are other people locked out of their minds stepping out onto the street without looking. All relative, but I know after one or two pints I'd definitely feel different physically. Wouldn't be comfortable driving at all.

The drink drivers I know tend to be women which may be strange enough. One in particular scoffs at any criticism concerning her driving 10mins home in a rural area after 7 or 8 drinks. Madness. Drink driving is far more prevalent than most realise. Most people I know have done it. They've had 6 or 7 drinks. It's p*ssing down. It's 1am. They brought the car with the intention of collecting it the next day. It's a 20 minute walk home in the rain or 3 mins in the car. I'd say a hell of a lot of people take the chance. I know I've been sorely tempted. Not in rural areas either. I know in Howth you'd find a hell of a lot of drink driving going on any weekend at closing time as there's never a Garda to be seen.

Here's one actually, herself is from a large town. Her father enjoys 4 pints or so and drives to the pub and home regularly. It's a busy town on Friday and Saturday nights. As busy as any city in Ireland given that people come from all surrounding areas to go out so there are plenty of people about when he's driving. He's a member of the local Garda Síochána. Sees nothing wrong with it at all and knows he'll never be caught. If the police are doing this themselves then do we expect it to be enforced for regular citizens?

Drink Driving...DO YOU DO IT ? ? ?

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