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Speed cameras approved for Ireland - implementation by approx May 2010

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  • #62
    Mr. Presentable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    AugustusMaximus wrote: »
    I believe the correct stat (from the UK) is that speed is the CAUSE of 7% of road accidents.

    .

    This is what I thought. But not what the poster said.


  • #63
    junkyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭junkyard


    trad wrote: »
    These are mobile units. There has already been an arson attack on a Garda unit with a Garda in it.

    And it won't be the last either i'd say........


  • #64
    AugustusMaximus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭AugustusMaximus


    junkyard wrote: »
    And it won't be the last either i'd say........

    Must say I'd be interested to see if a group like the Tuf Tuf club were to spring up.

    Not that I'd do anything myself, I wouldn't exactly be against the public at large taking the law into their own hands.


  • #65
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    I'm not sure if I should do this, so mods please deal with me gently, but I posted this last year when all this was last threatened. It's my take on the whole speed camera business. Having lived for some years in the UK I stand by it:)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055252610&highlight=ART6


  • #66
    AugustusMaximus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭AugustusMaximus


    ART6 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if I should do this, so mods please deal with me gently, but I posted this last year when all this was last threatened. It's my take on the whole speed camera business. Having lived for some years in the UK I stand by it:)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055252610&highlight=ART6

    You don't know how close to the truth you really are.


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  • #67
    youareyou
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭youareyou


    cronin_j wrote: »
    Funny you should say that, the government cant afford to implement biker training which i would see as far more important than speed cameras.
    So the day they announce this they also say this

    Good to see the government has their priorities in place anyway

    And bikers cant use Bus lanes by law. Total bullsh1t


  • #68
    NLane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 79 ✭✭NLane


    cashel girl wrote: »
    this is what i mean > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/94641/30_wont_kill_you/


    yeh this is a car hitting a pedestrian..... how often have u seen little girls out playing on a motorway?? if these cameras end up on motorways then the whole operation is a complete farce and not based in any way on road safety but simply on the generation of revenue.


  • #69
    youareyou
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭youareyou


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There would be alot more people alive today if we spent money on motorways even dual carriageways with barriers.

    :mad:

    There would be a few more motor cyclists around (with all limbs) as well if the crash barriers had a better design than the favoured Wire Rope Safety Fence

    "They are however widely criticised by motorcyclists as being a human scale «cheese cutter» roadside furniture"

    Can you imagine having an off on a bike and hitting one of those, its just a horrible thought.

    Oh but they are cheap to buy/install.


    Check out the pic at the very end of this page if you think cars are even safe.
    http://www.cheesecutter.co.nz/barrierinfo.asp


  • #70
    charlie_says
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Makes you wonder why the majority of people elected these tossers. I suppose the logical answer is the majority of people are tossers?


  • #71
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭Damien360


    AugustusMaximus wrote: »
    This money would be much better spent on fixing the secondary road network which after all the rain, has probably collapsed into a myre of potholes and collapsed verges.

    But no. Instead we are going to get speed cameras on our safest roads where the fewest crashes happen. Some logic that.

    These cameras obviously won't be able to fit on (or put on) secondary roads where the vast majority of crashes happen.

    First bit of common sense said so far in this thread. The cameras still cannot fit on secondary roads for the same reasons the guards cannot safely put a gatso on them. You can bet the exact same revenue generating sections of road will be policed as before.


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  • #72
    Adam Selene
    Closed Accounts Posts: 74 ✭✭Adam Selene


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    This is a popular mantra. Can you back it up with any kind of data?

    Here you go,

    Page 3, from the RSA themselves.

    [url] http://www.rsa.ie/publication/publication/upload/Driver Fatigue 5 FA.pdf [/url]


  • #73
    youareyou
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭youareyou


    For an unarmed force, they got someone else to shoot fish in a barrel.


  • #74
    BigEejit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭BigEejit


    Adam Selene wrote: »
    Here you go,

    Page 3, from the RSA themselves.

    [url] http://www.rsa.ie/publication/publication/upload/Driver Fatigue 5 FA.pdf [/url]
    Crick in my neck reading that :eek:

    I saw speed had a very small slive of the pie, but gate up trying to find percentages.... were there any in the pdf?


  • #75
    DeBeere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 334 ✭✭DeBeere


    I, like the majority of the thread, am against the way the government are implementing their speed cameras. Even though they were bound to come I never guessed they would be mobile.

    I am wondering is there anything worthwhile we can do other than moan about it?


  • #76
    HollyEvans
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29 ✭HollyEvans


    Would love the contract for this.

    A few points to consider,

    - there will be many more private cameras than they have admitted
    - the cameras will operate all day every day

    I mean, what a business to be in. On a busy stretch of road you could catch 4 cars a minute, €20,000 per hour for one camera.

    And what overheads do you have, one van (may have to use horse boxes and other methods to hide inside), one camera and an operator.

    Now take this horse box and landrover

    horseboxRFE_468x299.jpg

    This is to prevent accidents. The vehicle is parked half a metre from the roadside, the coppers would hand out penalty points if a civilian parked in such a place.


  • #77
    TestTransmission
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,106 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    HollyEvans wrote: »
    the coppers would hand out penalty points if a civilian parked in such a place.

    with what offence exactly?


  • #78
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    HollyEvans wrote: »
    Would love the contract for this.

    A few points to consider,

    - there will be many more private cameras than they have admitted
    - the cameras will operate all day every day

    I mean, what a business to be in. On a busy stretch of road you could catch 4 cars a minute, €20,000 per hour for one camera.

    And what overheads do you have, one van (may have to use horse boxes and other methods to hide inside), one camera and an operator.

    Now take this horse box and landrover

    horseboxRFE_468x299.jpg

    This is to prevent accidents. The vehicle is parked half a metre from the roadside, the coppers would hand out penalty points if a civilian parked in such a place.
    Good old North Wales Police, where the previous Chief Constable was a anti speed nazi.


  • #79
    Absurdum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    jackncoke wrote: »
    with what offence exactly?

    not PP offences but probably in breach of one of the following:
    Whilst there is no blanket prohibition on parking on verges, a particular incident of verge parking may be considered dangerous or obstructive or cause damage and may constitute a criminal offence under one or other of the following statutory provisions: -
    • Section 28 Town Police Clauses Act 1847 - wilfully causing an obstruction to any public footpath or public thoroughfare.
    • Regulation 103 Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 - vehicles causing unnecessary obstruction of the road (including verge).
    • Section 22 Road Traffic Act 1988 - leaving vehicles in a dangerous position on the road (including verge).
    • Section 137 Highways Act 1980 wilful obstruction of the free passage along a highway.
    • Section 72 Highways Act 1835 - driving on any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers.
    • Section 131(1)(c) Highways Act 1980 - deposits anything whatsoever on a highway so it would damage the highway
    Allegations concerning any of the above possible offences would be a matter for the police to investigate and enforce, rather than the traffic authority.
    http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/bcc/transport/parking_on_verges.page


  • #80
    Johnny Utah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭✭Johnny Utah


    Does that number plate spray work?

    I might try a can of it.....


  • #81
    polyfusion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭polyfusion


    Looks like that silver car in the pic is using that spray, powerful stuff! Hope he's got it on the back plate, him just sauntering down the wrong side of the road.


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  • #82
    mondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭mondeo


    Johnny Utah wrote: »
    Does that number plate spray work?

    I might try a can of it.....

    Maybe with a camera flash it would but I would not bet on it.


  • #83
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Further processing of the negative would reveal the reg number so It is useless.


  • #84
    LookBehindYou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭LookBehindYou


    it does not work.


  • #85
    RandomAccess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭RandomAccess


    Ahh Speedy-Uppy Slowy-Downy, now everyone can play!!


  • #86
    CJhaughey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    HollyEvans wrote: »
    Would love the contract for this.

    A few points to consider,

    - there will be many more private cameras than they have admitted
    - the cameras will operate all day every day

    I mean, what a business to be in.

    GoSafe will employ 100 people, of whom 45 will be based in Listowel at the Spectra film processing company whose owner, Xavier McAuliffe is a director of GoSafe. The cameras will be supplied by a French company, Redflex.


  • #87
    I.S.T.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭I.S.T.


    antodeco wrote: »
    By your rational, Motorway speed is dangerous on a motorway. 100kph stretches are dangerous also. It's innapropriate speed that kills. Someone who does 70kph in a 50kph is more dangerous then someone doing 120kph on a motorway, yet the first speed is nearly half the 2nd. When looking at 'speeding' you need to look at : traffic, road quality, weather, driver competence, condition of vehicle and THEN speed.

    You wouldn't need to explain this if we received proper driver education in this country.


  • #88
    I.S.T.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭I.S.T.


    Johnny Utah wrote: »
    Does that number plate spray work?

    I might try a can of it.....

    Don't waste your money


  • #89
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    I will continue to hold the cynical view that this initiative has damn all to do with safety and everything to do with revenue as long as we have boreens limited to 80k and brand new dual carriageways with central concrete barriers limited to 60k.:mad:


  • #90
    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    cashel girl wrote: »
    people who speed, speed on all roads:rolleyes: maybe if it costs them enough they will think and slow down!!

    And with your lop-sided thinking there will be more deaths on the outrageous bit of road that those 4 young girls were killed on recently!

    Cash Cameras do nought for road safety

    You just have to look where the un professional "Gardai" site their so called speed traps and the lousy success rate that they have in reducung road fatalities

    The major reduction in fatal accidents on Irish roads have been achieved by engineering out of the road system "accident blackspots" by building motorways and by having safer cars

    Speed traps are revenue raisers nothing else

    They allow pip-squeak politicians and fat arsed Gardai pretend that they are doing something for road safety whilst ignoring the major cause of fatal accidents, lousy roads and lousy driving


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  • #91
    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    HollyEvans wrote: »
    Would love the contract for this.

    A few points to consider,

    - there will be many more private cameras than they have admitted
    - the cameras will operate all day every day

    I mean, what a business to be in. On a busy stretch of road you could catch 4 cars a minute, €20,000 per hour for one camera.

    And what overheads do you have, one van (may have to use horse boxes and other methods to hide inside), one camera and an operator.

    Now take this horse box and landrover

    horseboxRFE_468x299.jpg

    This is to prevent accidents. The vehicle is parked half a metre from the roadside, the coppers would hand out penalty points if a civilian parked in such a place.

    Are you sure its not a paedophile outside of a school?


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