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Hi, i'm in Longford also. I've had it a while now and have to say that it's really terrible. I got the 7 meg bundle. On the first day I was getting 5 meg np, but then a week later it dropped to 2 meg and now its nearly always just barely getting 1 meg.
Youtube is horrible, can't load in a low res video with out the loading symbols popping up. Gaming is bad also, playing Warcraft I get about 700ping some times might drop to 300. Played a few times with pings hitting 2 and 3k. Playing fps games you won't get below 250ping even if its working great just because its wireless, its bad for gaming. Don't buy it if your a gamer, even if your current one is crap.
Also if you want to down load stuff from torrent sites you won't be able to until about 2 am or so. It seems to have some kind of down load limiting going on with some websites. Youtube might be included in that, definitely torrent sites. Though it will let you DL stuff later at night at max speed.
Also the guy who was installing it showed it to me on his PC and it was rocket fast. He showed me a website and how fast it was. Then he told me that there would only be 5 other people on the system with me. I think he is lying about that but I can't prove it.
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Ok,
Been with Imagine for a long time using landline broadband, and to be fair, it was reliable, and didn't give me much grief.
For all sorts of reasons, mostly financial, I've bitten the bullet of Wimax, as it's just become available in this area.
It's taken a bit of work to get it working the way I want it to, and Imagine's Motorola router is not the friendliest of devices, as it won't allow the subnet mask to be changed, which for me with a low usage network of 12 Pc's and 4 or more netwoked printers that won't work with DHCP as they have to be fixed IP addresses, that's a pain, as I have to rejig all my network settings,
Most of the machines are XP Pro, the laptop is XP home, fully patched SP3+
Here's where it gets interesting. On initial set up, once I'd got the router to sort out the provisioning of the system, (It uses a browser, but if your home page is set to "about blank", it never goes out to the net to trigger the setup) it works fine.
There is an issue with not being able to set the subnet mask, and as standard, it's not possible to disable access to the router settings from WiFi,
The laptop was interesting, in that on Cable connect, I was seeing high 7+ down, and .75 or above up, but on WIFi, the speeds were a lot lower. The first change was suggested by Imagine, and was a change to the encryption protocol to suit XP, use TKIP only, not TKIP+AES. That helped to get above 1.0 on WiFI. It was about 3 or so at that stage.
I then did some more digging over the evening, and came up with some interesting information. The WiFI bands overlap, and there are at least 4 other WiFi installations near me, so a channel change helped there,
The real improvement was 2 fold. The first was to get rid of 2 analysis drivers from the Network settings, and then to run a little utility that I downloaded, TCPoptimiser, which made a number of changes to my system (I've not analysed them yet), and made a huge difference to the overall WiFi speeds,
My ping and speedtest from a few minutes ago looks like this
That's every bit as good as the fixed line speeds I've had for the last while, and I can see from the way that it's running the tests that it can go higher, a good bit higher depending on how the server software is throttling things.
So, while Wimax may have been less acceptable than fixed line broadband, it's now reached the point where it's competitively priced, and is delivering comparable speeds.
OK, bottom line is that in comparison to most of Europe and the rest of the world, what we still have is not broadband, it's Midband, with restrictions like being Asynchronous, so it's almost impossible for a company in this area that's outside of Dublin's fibre hub to offer any sort of viable server service, as it's impossible to get good upload speeds.
Hopefully, this election will focus some attention on this before it's too late, but I'm not about to hold my breath.
Smmary,
Very initial impressions of Wimax in this area are good, a lot will depend on how many people move over to Imagine, there could well be a lot of former ICE customers who were taken over by Ripplecom that may still not be happy, and this will be an alternative for them.
I don't know how well Ripplecom have done since they took it over, In the same way, Imagine Wimax in this area is very new, so hopefully, they have learnt from the mistakes of the earlier installs, and will keep the provisioning of the backhauls and the like up to spec as the network grows.
Time will tell
Steve
And before anyone asks, I'm not employed by Imagine, and my only relationship with them is as a customer.Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁
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Irish Steve wrote: »Ok,
Been with Imagine for a long time using landline broadband, and to be fair, it was reliable, and didn't give me much grief.
For all sorts of reasons, mostly financial, I've bitten the bullet of Wimax, as it's just become available in this area.
It's taken a bit of work to get it working the way I want it to, and Imagine's Motorola router is not the friendliest of devices, as it won't allow the subnet mask to be changed, which for me with a low usage network of 12 Pc's and 4 or more netwoked printers that won't work with DHCP as they have to be fixed IP addresses, that's a pain, as I have to rejig all my network settings,
Most of the machines are XP Pro, the laptop is XP home, fully patched SP3+
Here's where it gets interesting. On initial set up, once I'd got the router to sort out the provisioning of the system, (It uses a browser, but if your home page is set to "about blank", it never goes out to the net to trigger the setup) it works fine.
There is an issue with not being able to set the subnet mask, and as standard, it's not possible to disable access to the router settings from WiFi,
The laptop was interesting, in that on Cable connect, I was seeing high 7+ down, and .75 or above up, but on WIFi, the speeds were a lot lower. The first change was suggested by Imagine, and was a change to the encryption protocol to suit XP, use TKIP only, not TKIP+AES. That helped to get above 1.0 on WiFI. It was about 3 or so at that stage.
I then did some more digging over the evening, and came up with some interesting information. The WiFI bands overlap, and there are at least 4 other WiFi installations near me, so a channel change helped there,
The real improvement was 2 fold. The first was to get rid of 2 analysis drivers from the Network settings, and then to run a little utility that I downloaded, TCPoptimiser, which made a number of changes to my system (I've not analysed them yet), and made a huge difference to the overall WiFi speeds,
My ping and speedtest from a few minutes ago looks like this
That's every bit as good as the fixed line speeds I've had for the last while, and I can see from the way that it's running the tests that it can go higher, a good bit higher depending on how the server software is throttling things.
So, while Wimax may have been less acceptable than fixed line broadband, it's now reached the point where it's competitively priced, and is delivering comparable speeds.
OK, bottom line is that in comparison to most of Europe and the rest of the world, what we still have is not broadband, it's Midband, with restrictions like being Asynchronous, so it's almost impossible for a company in this area that's outside of Dublin's fibre hub to offer any sort of viable server service, as it's impossible to get good upload speeds.
Hopefully, this election will focus some attention on this before it's too late, but I'm not about to hold my breath.
Smmary,
Very initial impressions of Wimax in this area are good, a lot will depend on how many people move over to Imagine, there could well be a lot of former ICE customers who were taken over by Ripplecom that may still not be happy, and this will be an alternative for them.
I don't know how well Ripplecom have done since they took it over, In the same way, Imagine Wimax in this area is very new, so hopefully, they have learnt from the mistakes of the earlier installs, and will keep the provisioning of the backhauls and the like up to spec as the network grows.
Time will tell
Steve
And before anyone asks, I'm not employed by Imagine, and my only relationship with them is as a customer.
I'll be expecting another speedtest and pingtest a month from now
What You fail to mention is what Wimax setup You've got, its obviously not a dongle and is the FIXED install, not everyone gets this, You cannot order it, they only give it as a last resort when an indoor dongle fails to work.
You also failed to mention how far from the mast You are situated. Its obviously very close with pings and speeds like that. Its obviously not over-subscribed yet either.
I've worked for two different providers with Wimax installations in the last few years, non (or even partial) line of sight does not work on 3.6Ghz. Indoor receivers or dongles don't work well either. Wimax on 3.6Ghz needs a fixed install, and thats fixed install only, where everyone gets the best possible signal, not this self install dongle crap.
Overlapping wifi channels has nothing to do with your Wimax service, there are only 11 channels (13 if you don't want to support USA devices) 802.11g overlaps the next 2 channels. Laptop speeds on wireless have nothing to do with the service either.0 -
Hi, i'm in Longford also. I've had it a while now and have to say that it's really terrible. I got the 7 meg bundle. On the first day I was getting 5 meg np, but then a week later it dropped to 2 meg and now its nearly always just barely getting 1 meg.
Youtube is horrible, can't load in a low res video with out the loading symbols popping up. Gaming is bad also, playing Warcraft I get about 700ping some times might drop to 300. Played a few times with pings hitting 2 and 3k. Playing fps games you won't get below 250ping even if its working great just because its wireless, its bad for gaming. Don't buy it if your a gamer, even if your current one is crap.
Also if you want to down load stuff from torrent sites you won't be able to until about 2 am or so. It seems to have some kind of down load limiting going on with some websites. Youtube might be included in that, definitely torrent sites. Though it will let you DL stuff later at night at max speed. "Edit" This is just speculation on my part could be just slow speeds. "Edit"
Also the guy who was installing it showed it to me on his PC and it was rocket fast. He showed me a website and how fast it was. Then he told me that there would only be 5 other people on the system with me. I think he is lying about that but I can't prove it.
Today at peak time.
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For comparison, Digiweb Fixed Wireless, Metro, shared with Limerick City.
(Note Limerick <-> Dublin <-> Galway is Route for both tests)
In use reliably with two phone numbers (virtual phone lines, inc Fax) for over 5 years. Original Modem. third router/wifi (self supplied)!
About 14km from the Mast.
Imagine should have rolled out "Fixed WiMax" on their 3.6GHz licence. It's an FWLA licence, not a mobile Licence. The Mobile system used as "Imagine WiMax" isn't suitable for 3.6GHz and no system with some indoor aerials can perform as well as Fixed using ONLY directional outdoor aerials meeting a minimum spec at install time. Typically x8 worse.0 -
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PogMoThoin wrote: »I'll be expecting another speedtest and pingtest a month from now
What You fail to mention is what Wimax setup You've got, its obviously not a dongle and is the FIXED install, not everyone gets this, You cannot order it, they only give it as a last resort when an indoor dongle fails to work.
You also failed to mention how far from the mast You are situated. Its obviously very close with pings and speeds like that. Its obviously not over-subscribed yet either.
Wimax Set up is an indoor unit, connected to my network by an 8 port router, and I've added a WAP point at the other end of the house due to high levels of local WifI routers that are hitting my performance, now the WAP is close to the laptop, this is my speeds this evening.
I don't know where the local mast is, as it's only just gone in, and I do know that the Imagine servers are throttling the upload, as it's very evident that the speed drops significantly towards the end.
If you think Imagine were bad, did you ever work for ICE? They were dire, for all sorts of reasons, and one of my customers was with them for over 3 years as there were no other alternatives.
It's still very early days, and there are some aspects of the Wimax router that I don't like at all, the 2 main ones being no Subnet mask, and the absence of a sign in password to enable being able to reconfigure the device if it all goes pear shaped at a weekend when there's no tech support available.
Time will tell, so far so good.
Cheers
SteveShore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁
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cherryghost wrote: »Hi folks, just wondering for those of you who are currently on Wimax.
Whats the average latency you get when pinging some well known sites? Also, gaming servers. I hear its pretty rubbish, but I wanna hear it straight from some boardsies mouths
Thanks!
not ****e, but sometimes enough to cause serious issues.
your average katency will proly be between 60 to 90ms. some games like modenr warfare handlethis better than others. only go wimax if u can afford to have an ethernet connection rather than wifi.
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Friday evening 19:00, which is probably a busier time of day than some.
Speedtest.net is giving better results to Limerick than to Dublin, which makes me think that the Eircom server is struggling,
If I run the Imagine test, the speeds are better, ping about 80, download close to 8 upload .23, and that ties in with my experience over the last 3 months.
So far, as far as I am concerned, it's working well, hasn't given me any serious aggravation, and does what I need it to. The router range is not too bad, but to get best responses, I've also got a WiFi access point connected that's not far from the laptop that I'm using, and that does make a difference, and there's also a 100Mb cabled hub in the system to allow my other PC's access as well.
Imagine have some fancy software doing throttling in certain areas, that's evident from the speedtest, it runs a lot faster on upload until close to the end, when it gets throttled for a while, and I've seen good speeds when other applications have been running in background that were also using bandwidth, so all in all, I can't complain about the broadband.
I do object to their policy of charging for 1890 calls on the phone though, as their tech support is on 1890, and local and national calls are free, so it would be a lot better to ring their national number (hint hint), which can be found with a bit of searching.
The router is always on max signal strength, I think I'm quite close to the head end, which has to be helping, and that's indoors, albeit upstairs, as that's where my main computers are.
I've had to reboot it a couple of times, even though it's running on a UPS, so I reckon that's been down to power spikes in their head end that are knocking things out. It's always come back up without pain.
So, my feeling right now is that while I may have been lucky, the new Wimax sites are working, and I'm getting the level of service and response that I expected.
Yes, I'd be much happier if I could get synchronous DSL at 100Mb, I could then run some servers that I want to run in the net, rather than having to rent space on servers inside the Dublin ring, but I somehow doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
SteveShore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁
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