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Wimax Latency
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07-11-2009 3:40pm#1Hi folks, just wondering for those of you who are currently on Wimax.
Whats the average latency you get when pinging some well known sites? Also, gaming servers. I hear its pretty rubbish, but I wanna hear it straight from some boardsies mouths
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Wimax is available already in parts of Longford .
that isnt actually wimax and its a terrible service
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I've had WiMax for around 2 months now. Took the installer 3 attempts and 3 receivers to get it working (1st wouldn't allow devices to connect, 2nd wouldn't receive a signal and 3rd worked eventually).
I wouldn't dare call it stable, as I can be at my witts end sometimes when it loses connection. Sometimes its gone weeks without dropping signal whereas sometimes it can happen 3 or 4 times a day.
The only reason I have it is because it's cheap (€18.95 a month), it was a Free Upgrade and UPC B/B won't be in my area until January.
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Imagine have a contract with Motorola worth millions.
Sources:
http://mediacenter.motorola.com/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=11959&NewsAreaID=2
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/article.aspx?cid=696784
Check these:
http://www.imagine.ie/wimax-splash/imagine-wimax-broadband.html
http://www.imagine.ie/wimax-splash/mobile-wimax-broadband.html
If the fixed packages are not in Dublin yet, they will be soon. Coming to Tralee in February too.
Oh, and:
http://www.imagine.ie/wimax-splash/imagine-wimax-bundles.html
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Did you not read my post?Hammer of Thor wrote: »So from reading the posts am I to gather that Imagine WiMax is not going to be fixed wireless at all? So its not going to be any good for Xbox Live? Say it ain't so!!!
Check the links that I provided, the middle two specifically. There's mobile and fixed WiMax coming...soon.0 -
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Did you not read my post?
Check the links that I provided, the middle two specifically. There's mobile and fixed WiMax coming...soon.
I did, I did!!! lol, yeah but I just checked again and it doesn't metion anything about fixed, just the dongle and the hub, how can the hub be fixed? I'm a noob in these matters btw, so be kind!:D0 -
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Hi, i'm in Longford also. I've had it a while now and have to say that it's really terrible. I got the 7 meg bundle. On the first day I was getting 5 meg np, but then a week later it dropped to 2 meg and now its nearly always just barely getting 1 meg.
Youtube is horrible, can't load in a low res video with out the loading symbols popping up. Gaming is bad also, playing Warcraft I get about 700ping some times might drop to 300. Played a few times with pings hitting 2 and 3k. Playing fps games you won't get below 250ping even if its working great just because its wireless, its bad for gaming. Don't buy it if your a gamer, even if your current one is crap.
Also if you want to down load stuff from torrent sites you won't be able to until about 2 am or so. It seems to have some kind of down load limiting going on with some websites. Youtube might be included in that, definitely torrent sites. Though it will let you DL stuff later at night at max speed.
Also the guy who was installing it showed it to me on his PC and it was rocket fast. He showed me a website and how fast it was. Then he told me that there would only be 5 other people on the system with me. I think he is lying about that but I can't prove it.
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Ok,
Been with Imagine for a long time using landline broadband, and to be fair, it was reliable, and didn't give me much grief.
For all sorts of reasons, mostly financial, I've bitten the bullet of Wimax, as it's just become available in this area.
It's taken a bit of work to get it working the way I want it to, and Imagine's Motorola router is not the friendliest of devices, as it won't allow the subnet mask to be changed, which for me with a low usage network of 12 Pc's and 4 or more netwoked printers that won't work with DHCP as they have to be fixed IP addresses, that's a pain, as I have to rejig all my network settings,
Most of the machines are XP Pro, the laptop is XP home, fully patched SP3+
Here's where it gets interesting. On initial set up, once I'd got the router to sort out the provisioning of the system, (It uses a browser, but if your home page is set to "about blank", it never goes out to the net to trigger the setup) it works fine.
There is an issue with not being able to set the subnet mask, and as standard, it's not possible to disable access to the router settings from WiFi,
The laptop was interesting, in that on Cable connect, I was seeing high 7+ down, and .75 or above up, but on WIFi, the speeds were a lot lower. The first change was suggested by Imagine, and was a change to the encryption protocol to suit XP, use TKIP only, not TKIP+AES. That helped to get above 1.0 on WiFI. It was about 3 or so at that stage.
I then did some more digging over the evening, and came up with some interesting information. The WiFI bands overlap, and there are at least 4 other WiFi installations near me, so a channel change helped there,
The real improvement was 2 fold. The first was to get rid of 2 analysis drivers from the Network settings, and then to run a little utility that I downloaded, TCPoptimiser, which made a number of changes to my system (I've not analysed them yet), and made a huge difference to the overall WiFi speeds,
My ping and speedtest from a few minutes ago looks like this
That's every bit as good as the fixed line speeds I've had for the last while, and I can see from the way that it's running the tests that it can go higher, a good bit higher depending on how the server software is throttling things.
So, while Wimax may have been less acceptable than fixed line broadband, it's now reached the point where it's competitively priced, and is delivering comparable speeds.
OK, bottom line is that in comparison to most of Europe and the rest of the world, what we still have is not broadband, it's Midband, with restrictions like being Asynchronous, so it's almost impossible for a company in this area that's outside of Dublin's fibre hub to offer any sort of viable server service, as it's impossible to get good upload speeds.
Hopefully, this election will focus some attention on this before it's too late, but I'm not about to hold my breath.
Smmary,
Very initial impressions of Wimax in this area are good, a lot will depend on how many people move over to Imagine, there could well be a lot of former ICE customers who were taken over by Ripplecom that may still not be happy, and this will be an alternative for them.
I don't know how well Ripplecom have done since they took it over, In the same way, Imagine Wimax in this area is very new, so hopefully, they have learnt from the mistakes of the earlier installs, and will keep the provisioning of the backhauls and the like up to spec as the network grows.
Time will tell
Steve
And before anyone asks, I'm not employed by Imagine, and my only relationship with them is as a customer.Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁
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Irish Steve wrote: »Ok,
Been with Imagine for a long time using landline broadband, and to be fair, it was reliable, and didn't give me much grief.
For all sorts of reasons, mostly financial, I've bitten the bullet of Wimax, as it's just become available in this area.
It's taken a bit of work to get it working the way I want it to, and Imagine's Motorola router is not the friendliest of devices, as it won't allow the subnet mask to be changed, which for me with a low usage network of 12 Pc's and 4 or more netwoked printers that won't work with DHCP as they have to be fixed IP addresses, that's a pain, as I have to rejig all my network settings,
Most of the machines are XP Pro, the laptop is XP home, fully patched SP3+
Here's where it gets interesting. On initial set up, once I'd got the router to sort out the provisioning of the system, (It uses a browser, but if your home page is set to "about blank", it never goes out to the net to trigger the setup) it works fine.
There is an issue with not being able to set the subnet mask, and as standard, it's not possible to disable access to the router settings from WiFi,
The laptop was interesting, in that on Cable connect, I was seeing high 7+ down, and .75 or above up, but on WIFi, the speeds were a lot lower. The first change was suggested by Imagine, and was a change to the encryption protocol to suit XP, use TKIP only, not TKIP+AES. That helped to get above 1.0 on WiFI. It was about 3 or so at that stage.
I then did some more digging over the evening, and came up with some interesting information. The WiFI bands overlap, and there are at least 4 other WiFi installations near me, so a channel change helped there,
The real improvement was 2 fold. The first was to get rid of 2 analysis drivers from the Network settings, and then to run a little utility that I downloaded, TCPoptimiser, which made a number of changes to my system (I've not analysed them yet), and made a huge difference to the overall WiFi speeds,
My ping and speedtest from a few minutes ago looks like this
That's every bit as good as the fixed line speeds I've had for the last while, and I can see from the way that it's running the tests that it can go higher, a good bit higher depending on how the server software is throttling things.
So, while Wimax may have been less acceptable than fixed line broadband, it's now reached the point where it's competitively priced, and is delivering comparable speeds.
OK, bottom line is that in comparison to most of Europe and the rest of the world, what we still have is not broadband, it's Midband, with restrictions like being Asynchronous, so it's almost impossible for a company in this area that's outside of Dublin's fibre hub to offer any sort of viable server service, as it's impossible to get good upload speeds.
Hopefully, this election will focus some attention on this before it's too late, but I'm not about to hold my breath.
Smmary,
Very initial impressions of Wimax in this area are good, a lot will depend on how many people move over to Imagine, there could well be a lot of former ICE customers who were taken over by Ripplecom that may still not be happy, and this will be an alternative for them.
I don't know how well Ripplecom have done since they took it over, In the same way, Imagine Wimax in this area is very new, so hopefully, they have learnt from the mistakes of the earlier installs, and will keep the provisioning of the backhauls and the like up to spec as the network grows.
Time will tell
Steve
And before anyone asks, I'm not employed by Imagine, and my only relationship with them is as a customer.
I'll be expecting another speedtest and pingtest a month from now
What You fail to mention is what Wimax setup You've got, its obviously not a dongle and is the FIXED install, not everyone gets this, You cannot order it, they only give it as a last resort when an indoor dongle fails to work.
You also failed to mention how far from the mast You are situated. Its obviously very close with pings and speeds like that. Its obviously not over-subscribed yet either.
I've worked for two different providers with Wimax installations in the last few years, non (or even partial) line of sight does not work on 3.6Ghz. Indoor receivers or dongles don't work well either. Wimax on 3.6Ghz needs a fixed install, and thats fixed install only, where everyone gets the best possible signal, not this self install dongle crap.
Overlapping wifi channels has nothing to do with your Wimax service, there are only 11 channels (13 if you don't want to support USA devices) 802.11g overlaps the next 2 channels. Laptop speeds on wireless have nothing to do with the service either.0 -
Hi, i'm in Longford also. I've had it a while now and have to say that it's really terrible. I got the 7 meg bundle. On the first day I was getting 5 meg np, but then a week later it dropped to 2 meg and now its nearly always just barely getting 1 meg.
Youtube is horrible, can't load in a low res video with out the loading symbols popping up. Gaming is bad also, playing Warcraft I get about 700ping some times might drop to 300. Played a few times with pings hitting 2 and 3k. Playing fps games you won't get below 250ping even if its working great just because its wireless, its bad for gaming. Don't buy it if your a gamer, even if your current one is crap.
Also if you want to down load stuff from torrent sites you won't be able to until about 2 am or so. It seems to have some kind of down load limiting going on with some websites. Youtube might be included in that, definitely torrent sites. Though it will let you DL stuff later at night at max speed. "Edit" This is just speculation on my part could be just slow speeds. "Edit"
Also the guy who was installing it showed it to me on his PC and it was rocket fast. He showed me a website and how fast it was. Then he told me that there would only be 5 other people on the system with me. I think he is lying about that but I can't prove it.
Today at peak time.
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For comparison, Digiweb Fixed Wireless, Metro, shared with Limerick City.
(Note Limerick <-> Dublin <-> Galway is Route for both tests)
In use reliably with two phone numbers (virtual phone lines, inc Fax) for over 5 years. Original Modem. third router/wifi (self supplied)!
About 14km from the Mast.
Imagine should have rolled out "Fixed WiMax" on their 3.6GHz licence. It's an FWLA licence, not a mobile Licence. The Mobile system used as "Imagine WiMax" isn't suitable for 3.6GHz and no system with some indoor aerials can perform as well as Fixed using ONLY directional outdoor aerials meeting a minimum spec at install time. Typically x8 worse.0 -
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