using weapons to defend your home

bungaro · 14-11-2009 06:50PM #1

one of my buddies houses was broken into recently (no-one was home at the time) and we got into a discussion of what would happen if you were to use some martial arts weapons (he got a pair of nunchukus abroad a few years ago) to defend yourself against the attacker?? i know that your allowed have weapons as "decorations" in your own private residence but are there circumstances where you can use them?? like if u hit an attacker with a hurley is that alright since is not an actual weapon as opposed to hitting them with nunchucks which are specifically used to hurt???

xX Batman Xx · 14-11-2009 07:10PM

You cant touch them if there downstairs.... If they come upstairs raise hell on them....

leonkickboxing · 14-11-2009 08:23PM

Ok so after i chop him to bits with my katanas ill drag his corps up stairs...happy days.
Thanks batman;)

xX Batman Xx · 14-11-2009 08:24PM

Great minds think alike

;) ha ha

Big Lar · 14-11-2009 08:26PM

xX Batman Xx wrote: »

You cant touch them if there downstairs.... If they come upstairs raise hell on them....

What about if you live in a bungalow ?

xX Batman Xx · 14-11-2009 08:33PM

Big Lar wrote: »

What about if you live in a bungalow ?

Corpse to doorstep ha ha, I dont know, I just heard that.

leonkickboxing · 14-11-2009 08:35PM

So dig a hole in your back garden and no one needs ever know:)

pearsquasher · 15-11-2009 11:40AM

RTE radio aired an excellent discussion of this very topic with various experts.

See Programme 2 on this link: http://www.rte.ie/radio1/thesundayforum/1308517.html

I'm with the Army Expert and the Judge on this one and their views are 100% congruent with how I see Bujinkan training.

Short answer though: "It depends".

ScottStorm · 15-11-2009 12:14PM

My understanding is that you are supposed to give the intruder every opportunity to escape, warn them of your presence and not seek to detain them.

However personally I have a stun gun by my bed and a telescopic baton in my living room, were I to use them I don't think I would be in a position to call the guards to report the break in and would have to rely on the scummer that has since turned into my victim deciding not to report the incident to the police.

--amadeus-- · 15-11-2009 01:18PM

My understanding is that a lot depends on premeditation.

If you have a baseball bat in your bedroom but have never played baseball and hit someone with it they can argue you planned to use it on any intruder. If though you had a nice, heavy maglight torch by the bed and hit an intruder with it its harder to prove premeditation (you could have teh torch in case of a powercut for example).

So MA weapons on display that you happen to grab to defend yourself...

cowzerp · 15-11-2009 01:22PM

I would defend my home with anything available and just say he was up stairs or just throw them in a ditch and say he never came near my home.

Defend your home and your family with all necessary tools.

mirwillbeback · 15-11-2009 01:27PM

Not sure of legal implications, but we were always told that if a caller ever came to the door to intimidate you in any way, ask them in saying you want no trouble, then mill them out of it, telling the gardai they tried to force their way in.

So far, never had a reason so hopefully it stays that way.

Richiecats · 15-11-2009 01:28PM

Do what ever it takes and worry about the after mouth later. Oh yea get a good lawer :pac:

FruitLover · 15-11-2009 05:45PM

If there's no body, there's no crime. Keep thick refuse sacks, duct tape, a bag of lime and a shovel handy at all times...

Baggio... · 15-11-2009 06:18PM

Depends on the circumstances... But whatever happens, be sure that you can justify your actions in a court of law. I don't think they will be to happy with people using any MA weapon (or any "weapon by design"). Also, confronting someone in you home would only be done as an absolute last resort. Get out with your family and phone the cops (if you can...).

Khannie · 15-11-2009 08:57PM

xX Batman Xx wrote: »

You cant touch them if there downstairs.... If they come upstairs raise hell on them....

I think that's just the states. I was told that for the states 1 foot on the stairs = licence to kill.

Personally I don't keep any weapons nearby. I'd hate to think what I'd do if I thought my family were at risk though. Serious business that. Very primal.

xX Batman Xx · 15-11-2009 09:12PM

Khannie wrote: »

I think that's just the states. I was told that for the states 1 foot on the stairs = licence to kill.

Personally I don't keep any weapons nearby. I'd hate to think what I'd do if I thought my family were at risk though. Serious business that. Very primal.

Quickst TKO to Armbar ive ever seen ha ha ha

Dave Joyce · 15-11-2009 09:54PM

I would defend my home with anything available and just say he was up stairs or just throw them in a ditch and say he never came near my home.

Defend your home and your family with all necessary tools.

Absolute best quote so far, TOTALLY AGREE Cowzerp. However, there are a lot of preventive measures (which can be major deterrents) you can take BEFORE it comes to your door i.e. having a dog, decent outdoor lighting, CCTV and decent doors and locks. IF any intruder persists after this......... well then all bets are off. Finally, if you're gonna use weapons, then you better have done training with them. Imagine trying to use firearms if you've not been trained in their use.

15-11-2009 11:03PM

In my past life as a prison officer i have spent a lot of time with the kind of people who want to come and take whats yours or mine, not always in the middle of the night, one of the things i have learned from them is the extreme level of violence some but not all will happily inflict because they can, they have decided before they break in that they are prepared to do this, so there is no second thoughts they will attack if challenged, so any house holder uming and arring hoping they will go away, could lose precious time in which to defend themselves, i think it's important to understand if a person has come in to your house they have made any decision for you, you hit 'em with everything you have and don't let yourself be a victim, also if they make it outside let them go, a court defense is difficult if you chase them down the road and bend them up while you wait for police, the police may arrest you for assault as i have seen in other cases, in the respect of a weapon i dare say it would be a diy tool that happens to be around because to have a purpose made weapon could be argued as being premeditated(as already posted), myself i have two bullmastiffs and a very moody wife :mad:so I'm OK, Gary.

Whyner · 16-11-2009 09:57AM

I practice my golf swing in my bedroom

Martin25 · 16-11-2009 11:20AM

Be very careful with this one as the law may arrest you and you could go to jail for being too agressive macho etc!

Niall Keane · 16-11-2009 01:16PM

don't think you'd be thinking law during the immediacy of combat, especially if there are multiple opponents. there is a saying in the Tai Chi Chuan Classics:
"Many err forsaking what is near to pursue what is far."
The American legal model seems a lot more aware in this respect.

cletus · 16-11-2009 03:23PM

--amadeus-- wrote: »

My understanding is that a lot depends on premeditation.

If you have a baseball bat in your bedroom but have never played baseball and hit someone with it they can argue you planned to use it on any intruder. If though you had a nice, heavy maglight torch by the bed and hit an intruder with it its harder to prove premeditation (you could have teh torch in case of a powercut for example).

So MA weapons on display that you happen to grab to defend yourself...

this is the very reason i keep a 4 d-cell maglite beside my bed

getz · 16-11-2009 03:35PM

cletus wrote: »

this is the very reason i keep a 4 d-cell maglite beside my bed

this has allways been a big topic in the UK,dont use MA weapons,you can use a anything that is a domestic tool ie a poker,security men often carry around the big metel torches with them [like yours] and then tell the police,that i was being atacked,and i was defending myself,and get away with it.

cushtac · 17-11-2009 02:08PM

xX Batman Xx wrote: »

You cant touch them if there downstairs.... If they come upstairs raise hell on them....

Nowhere in law is it mentioned where in your house are you permitted to defend yourself. What is established in law is that there is no onus on you to retreat whilst you are in your own home. Individual cases are heard on their own merits and the circumstances of the case (including location, the level of force you faced, the level of force you used etc.) would have to be considered.

leonkickboxing wrote: »

Ok so after i chop him to bits with my katanas ill drag his corps up stairs...happy days.
Thanks batman;)

The possession of a katana is illegal now, unless its an antique.

mirwillbeback wrote: »

Not sure of legal implications, but we were always told that if a caller ever came to the door to intimidate you in any way, ask them in saying you want no trouble, then mill them out of it, telling the gardai they tried to force their way in.

Don't do that.

Deisekickboxing · 19-11-2009 05:22PM

is it still ok to keep samauri

swords at home?

koking · 19-11-2009 05:51PM

i think the old saying ''Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6''

If someone broke into my house i wouldnt want to be held responsible for my action

cushtac · 19-11-2009 09:09PM

Deisekickboxing wrote: »

is it still ok to keep samauri swords at home?

Nope, last criminal justice act outlawed them.

koking wrote: »

i think the old saying ''Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6''

If someone broke into my house i wouldnt want to be held responsible for my action

Everyone's responsible for their actions, if that's not remembered then decent people can find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

Pedro K · 19-11-2009 10:12PM

bungaro wrote: »

one of my buddies houses was broken into recently (no-one was home at the time) and we got into a discussion of what would happen if you were to use some martial arts weapons (he got a pair of nunchukus abroad a few years ago) to defend yourself against the attacker?? i know that your allowed have weapons as "decorations" in your own private residence but are there circumstances where you can use them?? like if u hit an attacker with a hurley is that alright since is not an actual weapon as opposed to hitting them with nunchucks which are specifically used to hurt???

Irish weapon laws are intentionally vague. Anything you hit an intruder with is immediately classed as a weapon, be it a hurl, nunchuks, sweeping brush or your burnt toast.

So the short answer to your question, what happens if you use weapons on somebody in your house.

You get arrested and convicted. End of.

xX Batman Xx wrote: »

You cant touch them if there downstairs.... If they come upstairs raise hell on them....

Myth Myth Myth total Myth.

cushtac · 20-11-2009 04:57PM

Pedro K wrote: »

So the short answer to your question, what happens if you use weapons on somebody in your house.

You get arrested and convicted. End of.

That is not true, there are plenty of instances of people using weapons to defend themselves in their homes and avoiding prosecution.

bungaro · 20-11-2009 05:58PM

Pedro K wrote: »

Irish weapon laws are intentionally vague. Anything you hit an intruder with is immediately classed as a weapon, be it a hurl, nunchuks, sweeping brush or your burnt toast.

So the short answer to your question, what happens if you use weapons on somebody in your house.

You get arrested and convicted. End of.

Myth Myth Myth total Myth.

is that definite pedro?? thought i read somewhere that an intruder could claim they thought it was their own place (or whatever excuse) as long as they stayed on the ground floor as they should be able to tell the difference before going upstairs?! sounds daft i know but as you said the whole area is pretty vague

i take it so that it would be illegal to import weapons of any sort though even if they were only for display purposes. nice catch 22 situation there, you're allowed to have them at home but not allowed to bring them into the country!! those telescopic batons that the guards now have would do the job just fine

using weapons to defend your home

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