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Dutch drivers to pay tax by distance and will have all their movements logged.

  • 14-11-2009 01:13PM
    #1
    Run_to_da_hills
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    Under the guise of a new "motor tax" a system is being implemented in Holland that will rate cars by the distance they travel. It is aimed at reducing traffic jams, fatal accidents and of course "carbon emissions".


    Basically a "big Brother" system that will utalse GPS tracking to log the time, hour and place each car moves and send the data to a billing agency. Movements will be logged on a national database for up to two years under EU data retention.

    No doubt that Holland will be a test state for this very intrusive form of taxation an it will eventually spread right across the EU Superstate. :eek:

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    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4893141,00.html


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  • #2
    Ian Beale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Ian Beale


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Basically a "big Brother" system that will utalse GPS tracking to log the time, hour and place each car moves and send the data to a billing agency. Movements will be logged on a national database for up to two years under EU data retention.
    I read up on this recently, their proposing to split up the roads in to 5 categories, the actual locations of the cars aren't recorded, the categories are and then the drivers billed accordingly,
    Source


  • #3
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Ian Beale wrote: »
    I read up on this recently, their proposing to split up the roads in to 5 categories, the actual locations of the cars aren't recorded, the categories are and then the drivers billed accordingly,
    Source
    The system will not work satisfacry without the knowledge of the cars whereabouts, ie for monitoring congestion charges, accident locations, etc.

    No doubt this systm will also be able to spit out automated point to point speeding fines when it is set up.


  • #4
    crossmolinalad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭crossmolinalad


    Never will work
    See the problems with e flow
    people will get bills and never been there


  • #5
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    The world is ****ed!


  • #6
    mickoneill30
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    Or you could look at it in the way that people who drive the most will pay the most road tax, while people who leave their car in the driveway will pay little tax. I'd suspect that's the way it's intended.
    Logging movements is no use to any other agency unless the EU data protection laws have been abolished recently.


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  • #7
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    crossmolinalad wrote: »
    Never will work
    See the problems with e flow
    people will get bills and never been there
    theres already a system that already works

    it was developed by the germans (siemens/ daimler chrysler if i remember correct) at the cost of 100s of millions for exactly this purpose for truck tolls on motorways. Google toll collect for info.
    They now collect a few billion a year in tolls and theres never been a mishap (aside from the system being about a year late and costing the government a few billion in lost revenue which didnt go down well at the time!!)

    Not sure if the dutch are looking to reinvent the thing or use the german system.

    In principle its not a bad system but in germany they do it a much simpler way and just charge about 10 to 15c surcharge on fuel compared to neighbouring countries, so essentially the more you drive the more you contribute.
    (currently petrol is 135 in Germany so if you compare that to irish prices you'll see the "surcharge" in action!)


  • #8
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Under the guise of a new "motor tax" a system is being implemented in Holland that will rate cars by the distance they travel. It is aimed at reducing traffic jams, fatal accidents and of course "carbon emissions".


    Brilliant idea!! They should do the same for insurance too.
    It's not fair that a person who uses their car less should pay the same road tax as one who uses their car every day. Though I suppose in reality a surcharge on petrol woud do the same thing.


  • #9
    robtri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭robtri


    seems a very over complex Solution for such a simple thing.....

    Surely easier hust to scrap motor tax, and money to petrol.... like say a carbon tax... the more you drive the more you pay... the less you drive the less you pay....
    likeswise the more efficeint your car the less you pay....the more inefficient your car the more you pay.....

    problem solved :)

    by the way.... is this the new transport forum???


  • #10
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    it will eventually spread right across the EU Superstate.

    the what?


  • #11
    Moromaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭Moromaster


    The only people who have reason to worry are criminals, why is this a big deal?


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  • #12
    Overature
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Overature


    this is bollicks, they will end up making you buy some shít to moniter where you are, tax is way to much already


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