Britney Might Bring About Law Change LOL

CianRyan wrote: »

Some one knows little of the world of rock/punk/metal/music that's not crap.

Sorry, but I don't exactly see Led Zeppelin with a whole dance routine?

Go to http://www.last.fm/user/xiiad/library?sortBy=name, go through my ENTIRE 2,500 artist library, and tell me I know little of the world of rock/punk/metal/music that's not crap.

Dare ya.

liah wrote: »

Ever tried singing while jumping up and down? It just doesn't work.

Shh, don't tell Bruce, he might disagree with you:



Look at 20-30 seconds in, I'd say that's far more physical than anything the likes of Britney would ever do.

Honestly though, I think Australia has it bang on with regards to this. Live should mean live, and if that's what a concert is being promoted as, then no part of that should be mimed. If Britney Spears (or for that matter, any pop singer or performer of any genre) cannot simply sing live, they have absolutely no business being a performer in the first place. There is no excuse for miming at all.

And honestly, I don't believe the dance routine nonsense either. Have a watch of this:



Geddy Lee is playing bass while singing (most expertly, I might add), I'd dare say requiring a lot more coordination than doing a few dance move, and he's 56 years of age! If someone like Britney at the age of 27 cannot sing and dance, then she's an absolute failure of a performer and shouldn't be pretending to put on 'live' shows and conning people like that.

Biff Byford from Saxon is 58 and still performing live. So is Lemmy from Motorhead, and he's 63! Someone in the prime of their life who cannot put on a live performance is just ****ing ****e, and there's no excuse for it.

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Honestly though, I think Australia has it bang on with regards to this. Live should mean live, and if that's what a concert is being promoted as, then no part of that should be mimed. If Britney Spears (or for that matter, any pop singer or performer of any genre) cannot simply sing live, they have absolutely no business being a performer in the first place. There is no excuse for miming at all.

And honestly, I don't believe the dance routine nonsense either. Have a watch of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OlU0JbOALU

Geddy Lee is playing bass while singing (most expertly, I might add), I'd dare say requiring a lot more coordination than doing a few dance move, and he's 56 years of age! If someone like Britney at the age of 27 cannot sing and dance, then she's an absolute failure of a performer and shouldn't be pretending to put on 'live' shows and conning people like that.

Biff Byford from Saxon is 58 and still performing live. So is Lemmy from Motorhead, and he's 63! Someone in the prime of their life who cannot put on a live performance is just ****ing ****e, and there's no excuse for it.

I'm not disagreeing that it's wrong to advertise as live when it's not live. I don't think artists should perform live while miming, it's not right.

But are you seriously comparing hand coordination to full body coordination? Yeah, I know playing and singing is incredibly difficult but it hardly puts the same physical strain on the body as a full memorized dance routine. When you move around a lot, you lose breath. Breath is required to sing. Memorization of the routine + physical exhaustion + lack of breath = hard to keep things tone perfect, which gets me back to the differences in music styles and the amount of freedom allowed in voice.

It's all well and good to bring up metal but the style is totally different. Find another similar female pop artist with a perfect dance routine who doesn't waver in their voice at all while live, and then you have an argument-- but I'd wager the majority of them do use a little electronic background help on the matter.

Again, I don't like Britney. I don't think she actually can sing, when all is said and done, but it's more of an overall argument. The amount of videos on youtube of artists caught out by miming should make people realize it's really not that easy and an awful lot more common than you'd think. There's videos for Beyonce, Christina Aguilera (who actually does have an amazing voice), Madonna, Cheryl, Britney, and countless others who get "caught" for it.

You can't fault them for wanting to put on a good show, they obviously don't want to run the risk of sounding crap to millions of superficial fans so they eliminate the risk and use pre-recordings so they can focus on the gruelling physical performance. It is dodgy in fairness and if they can't sing and dance at the same time then they should tone it down so they can sing, because ultimately that's what it's there for.

Comparing pop, which is more about the superficiality of it all in terms of visuals and being perceived to be "perfect", to something like rock or metal which is about the music itself and the emotion portrayed.. just doesn't work, imo. Just different ballgames altogether.

liah wrote: »

You can't fault them for wanting to put on a good show, they obviously don't want to run the risk of sounding crap to millions of superficial fans so they eliminate the risk and use pre-recordings so they can focus on the gruelling physical performance.

Nonsense.



The woman has no excuse for the above.

And the differences between genres you're just exaggerating. Any rock or metal singer still needs to sing in key, the same as any other genre of music. Do you think they just randomly sing the words in whatever key they feel like? Honestly, look at any live Iron Maiden video, Bruce is always in key, he's not running out of breath either, and he's putting in a far more grueling physical performance than Britney.

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQe1bUeF7_g

The woman has no excuse for the above.

And the differences between genres you're just exaggerating. Any rock or metal singer still needs to sing in key, the same as any other genre of music. Do you think they just randomly sing the words in whatever key they feel like? Honestly, look at any live Iron Maiden video, Bruce is always in key, he's not running out of breath either, and he's putting in a far more grueling physical performance than Britney.

But it's a different style of singing completely. That's my whole point.

Also, again, you don't know what issues she might have been going through. For all you know she may have had a throat infection.

Obviously Britney does it a lot. But what about other more "respectable" artists who've been caught out on one or two close performances and had their reputation ruined for it?

You never know what's going on the day of that may make their job more difficult. There's too many variables.

EDIT: What was wrong with the video? I didn't watch the entire thing because I can't stand her, so maybe I missed a major slip-up, but that just sounds like Britney's sound..

liah wrote: »

Also, just a side point: you don't know what they're personally going through at the time of the performance. Maybe they're having throat issues or they're sick or something. You just don't know the circumstances.

For 8 months running? That's how long Britney Spears has been on tour, and she has mimed every single show.

And as for the dancing excuse, she barely even f*cking dances anymore. She just walks around the stage and waves her hands now and then.

She is more than capable of singing and dancing at the same time when she wants to, she's just too lazy.
The video Karl Hungus posted- that's Britney on her current world tour, miming to the exact CD recording of one of her ballads,WHILE SITTING DOWN.
On her previous world tour, this was one of only 2 songs she ever sang live, now she doesn't bother.

Britney singing and dancing live:

Bottom line: people pay to see concerts to hear the performer sing LIVE. Not a backing track. To listen to a backing track, we might as well watch a DVD or listen to the songs on an iPod. We pay to hear you sing live, performing artists... GET FÚCKING TO IT:D

liah wrote: »

If the style of singing has nothing to do with it, I'd like to see an opera singer sing effectively while performing a scripted dance routine. Somehow I can't see it working.

Look, as you've already seen in the Iron Maiden video I've posted, physical movement doesn't impede the human body's capacity to sing, and regardless of the style of vocal, it's always produced the same way. There is no style of singing whereby the lungs and vocal chords are rendered useless via physical movement. Arguing again and again "it's a different style" means nothing and it's just making you look like you don't get it.

Now, you initially said:

Ever tried singing while jumping up and down? It just doesn't work.

So, you've gone from the position that physical movement does impede singing, to fobbing it off by repeating "it's a different style" after being proved wrong with said Iron Maiden vid.

At this stage, you might as well be saying that Britney is a cricket and sings by rubbing her legs together, therefor can't sing and dance at the same time. Which is a freaky thought...

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Look, as you've already seen in the Iron Maiden video I've posted, physical movement doesn't impede the human body's capacity to sing, and regardless of the style of vocal, it's always produced the same way. There is no style of singing whereby the lungs and vocal chords are rendered useless via physical movement. Arguing again and again "it's a different style" means nothing and it's just making you look like you don't get it.

Now, you initially said:



So, you've gone from the position that physical movement does impede singing, to fobbing it off by repeating "it's a different style" after being proved wrong with said Iron Maiden vid.

At this stage, you might as well be saying that Britney is a cricket and sings by rubbing her legs together, therefor can't sing and dance at the same time. Which is a freaky thought...

Agree to disagree, as I've tried to sing while doing movements and it's incredibly difficult to keep one's voice steady.

Perhaps the older people you referenced are capable of it because they've had more practice. Also, it's not like who you've referenced is doing that for the entire 60 minute show, non-stop.