Green Diesel

Tigger · 10-07-2008 01:17PM

annie19 wrote: »

hey. i got pulled by customs in Mayo on Monday. Its toooooooooo risky if u ask me but it is very tempting!

they were in sligo on wednesday

j1smithy · 10-07-2008 01:27PM

larryone wrote: »

For veg oil it's recommended to mod the fuel lines. Biodiesel is different.
VW engines made after '99 are certified to run unmodified on 99% Biodiesel. The 1% petrodiesel is added to ensure anti-fungal effects.
Biodiesel is fine in winter months, it's the veg oil that;s a problem there.
I've seen complicated solutions involving two tanks, switching fuel lines after the engine is at the right heat, etc...
The concern with rubber being effected by the biodiesel is with older cars produced in the 80s and before. The rubber used for sealing in modern vehicles is not effected.

Are you sure about that and VW engines? I have a new model passat and theres a sticker on the fuel tank that says "Do not use Biodiesel"

larryone · 10-07-2008 02:31PM

j1smithy wrote: »

Are you sure about that and VW engines? I have a new model passat and theres a sticker on the fuel tank that says "Do not use Biodiesel"

Just double-checked my sources. I got it wrong. They recommend only 5% biodiesel. So that's a 95% pertodiesel mix. Damn.
I was certain I had read differently...

Duiske · 10-07-2008 02:58PM

larryone wrote: »

I've only ever seen one checkpoint where they were looking at the diesel.
You're highly unlikely to get caught, but I'm still never going to risk it.

In over 10yrs of driving vans I was only stopped once up to last march. Since then I have been stopped and fuel tested by customs 3 times, all in the carlow/kilkenny area.

larryone · 10-07-2008 03:21PM

j1smithy wrote: »

Are you sure about that and VW engines? I have a new model passat and theres a sticker on the fuel tank that says "Do not use Biodiesel"

I double-checked again, various websites say that VW Germany will not consider it a breach of warranty if you use 100% biodiesel that meets the German standards (only available in Germany). That said, I couldn't get the info from any official vw sites...
Might be on vw.de in German

angelfire9 · 10-07-2008 03:32PM

They were on the Tulla Road in Ennis last night 09/07/2008 dipping every commercial vehicle that passed, several Non Irish Reg's as well! If your stupid enough to do it you deserve to get caught, for one i know Petrol is cheaper than diesel but for years it wasn't and we just had to put up with it!

Evil Phil · 10-07-2008 03:40PM

I've seen two checkpoints in dublin 12 in recent months. I drive a desiel and they didn't stop me but they were dipping non-commercial vehicles as well. When they dip they also test for sulphides in the fuel to see if its been laundered.

Frank the Manc · 10-07-2008 03:50PM

why would you be stupid to do it?even if you get caught once a year, youre still up money.

the only reason that there is a revival in customs dipping is that they are trying to squeeze every bit of money out of us.

youre goin to see quite a lot of things like this goin on in the next few months, along with an increase in taxes and the introduction of more stealth taxes.

the fishing and haulage idustry are under extreme pressure at the moment, mostly due to the speculative nature of oil traders, playing on peoples fears. this, in conjunction with an extremely high VAT rate is cruicifying those who can absorb it the least.

fair play to anyone who takes the chance and more power to them.

Blisterman · 10-07-2008 04:00PM

Why is green diesel cheaper anyway?
If it's the same basic product, shouldn't everyone pay the same for it, regardless of use?

Terry · 10-07-2008 04:01PM

Just grow some rapeseed in your back garden.

Terry · 10-07-2008 04:12PM

FocusIreland wrote: »

i never got a diesel car or jeep in my life but heard of the green diesel alright. and i knew someone using the green diesel instead the normal one and never been checked on the road. also i know how to make it looks in normal colour. but it cost lots more than u pay for the normal diesel. so dont even ask me, not worth it unless u r from IRA.
i lied for a part of my words above. u guess which part? of course i ll not give any answer.

Hi.
I have no idea what you said there.
Could you please refrain from using text speak.
Thanks.

35notout · 10-07-2008 04:20PM

Blisterman Why is green diesel cheaper anyway?
If it's the same basic product, shouldn't everyone pay the same for it, regardless of use?

Tax my man, tax! Yet another example of our taxes!

snowman707 · 16-07-2008 04:31PM

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

It lacks some of the lubricating additives in regular diesel - can damage modern (common rail diesel) cars.

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No. #

same diesel only a dye added

snowman707 · 16-07-2008 04:33PM

taidghbaby wrote: »

does green diesel not give off a load more smoke than normal stuff, therefore only vehicles that have loadsa smoke coming out of them are stopped....hence non rule breakers dont get stopped!!

No it doesn't

snowman707 · 16-07-2008 04:39PM

j1smithy wrote: »

There is a rumour that you can mix the red and green to get white, afaik, this isn't true, its just a front for washed diesel (which contains sulphuric acid and will eat your engine)

A.

RED + Green = Black

Blisterman · 16-07-2008 04:46PM

35notout wrote: »

Blisterman Why is green diesel cheaper anyway?
If it's the same basic product, shouldn't everyone pay the same for it, regardless of use?

Tax my man, tax! Yet another example of our taxes!

I meant, why is there less tax on green diesel?

mozil · 01-09-2008 06:05PM

green or agricultural diesel is subsidized for farmers by the state I think its about 95c a litre.

Just woundering if you topped up your tank with green diesel would it show if you were dipped.if say the max you used was 40% green diesel

Tigger · 01-09-2008 06:06PM

mozil wrote: »

green or agricultural diesel is subsidized for farmers by the state I think its about 95c a litre.

Just woundering if you topped up your tank with green diesel would it show if you were dipped.if say the max you used was 40% green diesel

ifv you put 1 litre of green and 60 of white it wouuld look green

PaulKK · 01-09-2008 08:27PM

Tigger wrote: »

ifv you put 1 litre of green and 60 of white it wouuld look green

Also the dye stays in your tank for approx 6 months, so even if you've stopped using it it will still show up for some time later. It is possible that the fuel filter may have to be changed also to stop the green showing up later.

I was under the impression that they don't even have to dip you now that customs have some sort of sensor for the exhaust? I am open to correction though.

Green diesel is for work purposes powering generators, tractors, diggers etc etc, so it has a lower rate of duty on it.

mrgaa1 · 01-09-2008 10:33PM

what should happen is that there should be only the one colour of diesel. The price is set high and those registered for VAT etc... could then claim back the difference. This would remove the smuggling, bad diesel etc.. in one swoop and should ensure that the price of diesel would go down as the revenue would get more money.

Green or Red diesel is exactly the same - one is south of the border - one is north. Tractors that are on the road are supposed to use white ( if this is their primary function e.g. removing spoil etc.. ) - not green/red.

Fyr.Fytr · 01-09-2008 11:02PM

DCC160 wrote: »

There's a maximum fine of €3k so I won't be risking it either

And possible seizure of you vehicle eighter to be kept by the state and sold or destroyed or you can pay the fine, recover and storage costs. Lot of money for a few cent saving

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You would also see these guys accompanied by members of An Garda Siochain.

False, customs have the right to stop any vehicle without the guards, they do work closely with the gardai to combine powers, plus people stop 100 time faster for the guards then customs

taidghbaby wrote: »

does green diesel not give off a load more smoke than normal stuff, therefore only vehicles that have loadsa smoke coming out of them are stopped....hence non rule breakers dont get stopped!!

Thats kerosene your thinking off also used to run diesel vehicles on the cheap, doesnt do the engine any good tho.

Customs do have exhaust sensors and there is more then just dye in MGO (marked gas oil technical term for green)

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 01-09-2008 11:10PM

Blisterman wrote: »

Why is green diesel cheaper anyway?
If it's the same basic product, shouldn't everyone pay the same for it, regardless of use?

It's not to be used on public roads.

Fishtits · 01-09-2008 11:56PM

fishtits had a troublesome customer who wouldn't pay his bill.

Late night excursion to "top him up" with a few liters of green provided solace... its only a matter of time.

Agricola · 07-11-2009 12:03PM

Reject Vegetable Oil (RVO) is the way to go for diesels cars. Me father ran his old van on it for afew months. Saved himself a packet, only downside was it always smelled like chips when he started the van! (Maybe thats an upside!)

After awhile it does mess up the engine though. Its too thick to put in straight. Best to mix it with diesel, ratio of 60:40

irish_bob · 07-11-2009 03:35PM

Captain Slow IRL wrote: »

It lacks some of the lubricating additives in regular diesel - can damage modern (common rail diesel) cars.

If I had an old mondeo or some piece of crap diesel, I'd use it for on the back-roads.

not true , kerrosene or heating oil can damage an engine , i know people who use it in old bangers as its even cheaper than tractor diesel

half the farmers in the country drive around using green diesel

irish_bob · 07-11-2009 03:36PM

445279.ie wrote: »

you'd know by the sound of the engine, having said that I drive a diesal car and they've waved me on. Think they (usually) only check the trucks.

Even though, I wouldn't risk it for a biscuit

you wouldnt know by the sound of the engine

irish_bob · 07-11-2009 03:40PM

stephen ocad wrote: »

Went through a Customs Chechpoint in dundalk on Monday evening at 5.50pm (07/07/08), they were dipping cars, vans, Jeeps and lorries for Green Diesel, Seems as though they cought a lot of people as well, All fined €700 for the first offence of €3000 for second time, With the price of diesel gone through the roof, a lot to people are using green on a regular basis

the customs set up checkpoints every so often in random places , your chances of being caught are quite slim , 1500 euro fine on the spot and if your caught twice , they will haul your ass up before a judge , most people who have been caught have saved a fortune by then and the 1500 fine is money well spent

im a law and order type by irish standards but i can forgive those who use green diesel , motorists are raped by the state in every possible way in this country between VRT and whatever

irish_bob · 07-11-2009 03:43PM

Blisterman wrote: »

Why is green diesel cheaper anyway?
If it's the same basic product, shouldn't everyone pay the same for it, regardless of use?

because the goverment slap a huge tax on white diesel , green diesel is exempt because its used by truckers and farmers or people who use large machinery in thier business , the colours are different for the purpose of distinguishing one from the other , green in a car = customs want your number

irish_bob · 07-11-2009 03:45PM

mozil wrote: »

green or agricultural diesel is subsidized for farmers by the state I think its about 95c a litre.

Just woundering if you topped up your tank with green diesel would it show if you were dipped.if say the max you used was 40% green diesel

95 cent a litre , try half that , it went to 90 cent a litre when oil was heading for 200 dollars a barrell in the middle of 2008 , it was as low as 40 cent a litre earlier this year , its around 55 cent a litre tops at the moment

07-11-2009 04:03PM

irish_bob wrote: »

95 cent a litre , try half that , it went to 90 cent a litre when oil was heading for 200 dollars a barrell in the middle of 2008 , it was as low as 40 cent a litre earlier this year , its around 55 cent a litre tops at the moment

+1

Anyone paying 95c a litre for green diesel at a filling station is a fool and Ive seen filling stations with prices like that. We filled the 600 litre tank at home for the tractor etc for less than 50c a litre earlier in the year.

We dont use green diesel in the cars but I know an awful lot of people around here are at it. The chances of getting caught out around the country is almost non-existant. If my car was diesel Id be tempted to use it.

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