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Chelsea -v- Man United Match Thread [Mod Warning Post #1]

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  • #32
    Johner
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    Liam O wrote: »
    being at home doesn't make much difference. Form book goes out the window. United to win 1-0. Drogba to be sent off.

    Of course being at home makes a difference.


  • #33
    Spud83
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    VDS
    -O'Shea----Rio
    Vidic----Evra
    ---Fletcher-Carrick----Anderson--
    -Valencia
    Giggs
    Rooney

    Defensively I dunno how the fitness is gonna go but anyway, I'll start Rio, and Vidic, with Evans being my first choice back up, and Brown my second.

    Berbatov really struggled a few weeks back when he was played up top on his own, he only got into the game when Owen came on.I know he is better a holding the ball up, and bringing people into the game etc, but I really don't think he is willing to put in the work a lone front man needs to.

    In saying that if Giggs isn't fit I see Rooney, going wide, and Berbatov up front.

    We may also go 4-4-2

    Fletcher-Carrick-Anderson-Giggs
    Rooney
    Berbatov----

    That can easily go 4-5-1 if needs be.

    My predication is 2-2.


  • #34
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    kenon wrote: »
    I'm hoping the way Chelsea are playing will scare United into playing as well as they possibly can right from the start rather than playing crap from the start, play well for a bit, play crap again, then raise their game for the rest of the match and having to scrape a result.

    2-1 united.
    Also I wish we could dispel this myth that Chelsea have been playing fantastically well this season. The amount of times they have had to rescue games after going behind and they have been dropping points. If United had've beaten Liverpool they'd be going into this game ahead of Chelsea. Evra and Giggs will destroy them if they play that diamond formation imo.


  • #35
    Paleface
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    Liam O wrote: »
    being at home doesn't make much difference.

    That's a ridiculous statement.


  • #36
    JPA
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    Liam O wrote: »
    being at home doesn't make much difference. Form book goes out the window. United to win 1-0. Drogba to be sent off.

    Being at home makes no difference? Form goes out the window? What you on about?


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  • #37
    Johner
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    Liam O wrote: »
    Also I wish we could dispel this myth that Chelsea have been playing fantastically well this season. The amount of times they have had to rescue games after going behind and they have been dropping points. If United had've beaten Liverpool they'd be going into this game ahead of Chelsea. Evra and Giggs will destroy them if they play that diamond formation imo.

    How will Giggs and Evra destroy us so?


  • #38
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    JPA wrote: »
    Being at home makes no difference? Form goes out the window? What you on about?

    Have you ever watched a top 4 game? They are unpredictable, either team could easily win this and being at home wont make much difference to chelsea's or United's gameplan.


  • #39
    JPA
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    Liam O wrote: »
    Have you ever watched a top 4 game? They are unpredictable, either team could easily win this and being at home wont make much difference to chelsea's or United's gameplan.

    Well I think you are wrong, Chelsea are clear favourites because of form and being at home.


  • #40
    Headshot
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    JPA wrote: »
    Well I think you are wrong, Chelsea are clear favourites because of form and being at home.

    the bookies had utd as favourites against liverpool iirc

    and we know what happened


  • #41
    kenon
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    Liam O wrote: »
    Also I wish we could dispel this myth that Chelsea have been playing fantastically well this season.

    I never said they are playing fantastically well. I think they are playing quite well, but not at their best, hence why they should be feared.

    I think Chelsea are the number 1 threat to United's title hopes and I think that should scare United into a performance.


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  • #42
    Johner
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    Liam O wrote: »
    Have you ever watched a top 4 game? They are unpredictable, either team could easily win this and being at home wont make much difference to chelsea's or United's gameplan.

    Without looking back over the top 4 games in the last few years I can guarentee that being at home has mattered most of the time.


  • #43
    Sully
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    If United play on form then I predict 2 - 1 to United or a draw.
    If United are not on form then 2-1 to Chelsea.

    Its very hard to tell - United have been mixed all season and far from predictable. I do think United can beat Chelsea though, if they play well enough.


  • #44
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    JPA wrote: »
    Well I think you are wrong, Chelsea are clear favourites because of form and being at home.

    Chelsea PL and CL form since 26th September. LWWLWWWD
    United PL and CL form since 26th September. WWDWWLWD

    seems pretty similar to me.


  • #45
    JPA
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    Headshot wrote: »
    the bookies had utd as favourites against liverpool iirc

    and we know what happened


    That was because Liverpool were in awful form, the result being a surprise for most, whereas in this game both teams are playing well, with Chelsea more impressive and at home. If United did win it wouldn't be as big a surprise as Liverpool winning though.


  • #46
    Sully
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    Headshot wrote: »
    the bookies had utd as favourites against liverpool iirc

    and we know what happened

    Probably based on Liverpool's performance all season compared to Uniteds. Liverpool upped their game and United had their off day again.


  • #47
    Johner
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    Sully wrote: »
    Probably based on Liverpool's performance all season compared to Uniteds. Liverpool upped their game and United had their off day again.

    United has an off day because Macherano and Lucas didnt let them control midfield.

    Anyway back on topic, Already nervous about the game.


  • #48
    JPA
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    Liam O wrote: »
    Chelsea PL and CL form since 26th September. LWWLWWWD
    United PL and CL form since 26th September. WWDWWLWD

    seems pretty similar to me.

    Ignoring that Chelsea have conceded less and scored more than United.


  • #49
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    JPA wrote: »
    Ignoring that Chelsea have conceded less and scored more than United.

    wow big deal, doesn't give you any more points. United have won games playing without a lot of first choice players.


  • #50
    JPA
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    Liam O wrote: »
    wow big deal, doesn't give you any more points. United have won games playing without a lot of first choice players.

    Why do Chelsea have more points then?


  • #51
    Mitch Connor
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    JPA wrote: »
    Why do Chelsea have more points then?

    Because they won/drew more games then United did. Not because they scored more in the games they won...

    On the general point, I agree with you though; simple W/L/D stats don't tell the whole story. United have been getting the results, in general, while playing poorly. That is fine against 'smaller' sides but a team like Chelsea is far more likely to beat a team that are not playing at their best.


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  • #52
    Jagera
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    Here's the details, sorry for not putting home teams first

    Chelsea - For:24, Against: 9

    L - AWAY - chelsea - 1 - wigan - 3
    W - AWAY - chelsea - 1 - apoel nicosia - 0
    W - HOME - chelsea - 2 - liverpool - 0
    L - AWAY - chelsea - 1 - aston villa - 2
    W - HOME - chelsea - 4 - ateltico - 0
    W - HOME - chelsea - 5 - blackburn - 0
    W - HOME - chelsea - 4 - bolton - 0
    W - AWAY - chelsea - 4 - bolton - 0
    D - AWAY - chelsea - 2 - ateltico - 2

    ManU - For:16, Against: 11

    W - AWAY - ManU - 2 - stoke - 0
    W - HOME - ManU - 2 - vfl wolfsburg - 1
    D - HOME - ManU - 2 - sunderland - 2
    W - HOME - ManU - 2 - bolton - 1
    W - AWAY - ManU - 1 - cska - 0
    L - AWAY - ManU - 0 - liverpool - 2
    W - AWAY - ManU - 2 - barnsley - 0
    W - HOME - ManU - 2 - blackburn - 0
    D - HOME - ManU - 3 - cska - 3


  • #53
    Rekop dog
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    Really think Chelsea fans are slightly over confident ahead of this game!

    Chelsea have had by far the easiest fixtures so far this season and argubaly haven't faced a top team so far so it's hard to judge them on results compared to United!

    They've beaten a very poor Liverpool at home, lost at Villa and drew at home
    to Porto in their toughest games so far! I know u can only beat what's in front
    of you but it's easy to get a scewed notion of a teams ability with such an easy start to the season fixture wise.

    I think the two of them have shown worrying frailities defensively and Rios injury is prop a blessing in disjuise for united!


  • #54
    Johner
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    Drew to Porto? Get your facts right first. We beat them 1-0.

    And that very same poor Liverpool team we beat 2-0 beat United 2-0. ;)


  • #55
    Rekop dog
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    Johner wrote: »
    Drew to Porto? Get your facts right first. We beat them 1-0.

    And that very same poor Liverpool team we beat 2-0 beat United 2-0. ;)

    My bad on the Porto thing:D

    There's a big difference playing pool in Anfield than on your home patch and as I'm sure u know Liverpool v united is more or less a derby where form goes out the window and all that!

    I'm not saying Chelsea won't win just noting the general over confidence of Chelsea fans based on an easy start to the season!


  • #56
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    As an Arsenal fan, this is gonna be the first time I'll be hoping for a win for Man U.


    (I feel so durty!:P)


  • #57
    JPA
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    Papa Smut wrote: »
    As an Arsenal fan, this is gonna be the first time I'll be hoping for a win for Man U.


    (I feel so durty!:P)


    Surely you'd want a draw?


  • #58
    Redzer7
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    JPA wrote: »
    Surely you'd want a draw?
    Yeah draw please :D


  • #59
    The Davestator
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    As a Chelsea fan I cant believe how confident other CFC fans are - this is man utd, not bolton or blackburn!

    I'll be delighted with a scabby 1-0 in the last minute


  • #60
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    Well, my reckoning is on:

    1 Chelsea 11 27
    2 Manchester United 11 25
    3 Arsenal 10 22

    If Man U win:

    1 Manchester United 12 28
    2 Chelsea 12 27
    3 Arsenal 10 22

    (I know we're playing before but I'm just saying for this argument here we'd have 2 games in hand and 6 points behind - Even a draw leaves the top of the table on 28 points - I just have it in for Chelsea more as I think they'll be the favourites to lift the prem cup)


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  • #61
    Quandary
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    Id be surprised (pleasantly) if Utd win this weekend. The midfield will be where the game is won or lost & Chelsea have such an impressive midfield. All their midfielders are very capable of scoring, are physically stronger than Utds midfield and are technically strong too.

    I really really hope Carrick doesnt start, i can only see him getting lost in the game, although if he does play and has a stormer ill happily eat these words :P.

    Unless Utd can raise their game and hunger for the win like liverpool did against them then i really can only see a Chelsea win.

    If the right Utd team turn up then i predict maybe Utd win by the odd goal or a draw

    but if Utd play like they played against Liverpool then i can see a convincing win by Chelsea.


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