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Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

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  • #32
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    minidazzler wrote: »
    Whose them?

    For me... "them" that rapes a young child, dumps their poor body in a desert and abandons them there to their slow, pain filled, crying death.


  • #33
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    minidazzler wrote: »
    You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

    I now hate you. No offence.

    :rolleyes: jebus AH is inhabited by some strange creatures

    do you wish to twist what i posted even more?


    does the 19 year old here in Ireland who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend deserve beheading as per OPs proposal?

    technically per current law he raped her as shes not an adult


  • #34
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    :rolleyes: jebus AH is inhabited by some strange creatures

    do you wish to twist what i posted even more?


    does the 19 year old here in Ireland who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend deserve beheading as per OPs proposal?

    technically per current law he raped her as shes not an adult

    THAT ISN'T THE OPS PROPOSAL.


  • #35
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    SV wrote: »
    Does everyone who commits the same crime get the same sentence?
    i.e Murder 1 person, get X amount of years, Assault 1 person, get X amount of years ?
    No they don't.
    So your point doesn't stand.

    yes my point stands

    until the OP defines what is "The right way to deal" with "some people" which he hasn't yet
    SV wrote: »
    THAT ISN'T THE OPS PROPOSAL.

    what is his proposal so?


  • #36
    BroomBurner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,737 ✭✭✭BroomBurner


    minidazzler wrote: »
    You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

    I now hate you. No offence.

    I think his point was more about someone here claiming that they would like to live there, seeing as this was how they dealt with paedophiles.

    In no way whatsoever did I get the impression ei.sdraob (why can't you have an easier name?!) was advocating paedophilia, or suggesting that they shouldn't be punished.

    The simple fact is, you can either have a democracy, with the good and bad that comes with it; or you can have an other system, with all the good and bad that come with it. Personally, as I continue to choose to live in Ireland, I'm going with the former.

    OT, I don't believe in corporal/capital punishment, ever. It's the easy way out for scum.


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  • #37
    Executive Steve
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    minidazzler wrote: »
    We also live in a society where buggering children is tolerated.

    I don't like it here.


    It's only tolerated if you're a priest in fairness - try raping a child without the church and the government on your side and see how far you get...


  • #38
    netwhizkid
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    I wouldn't behead him, just give him the lethal injection.


  • #39
    GLaDOS
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    I don't believe in capital punishment, purely incase there is a mistake about their guilt.

    If there was a way of working out guilt without doubt, I'd have no problem with it for murderers and rapists. (Not counting statutory rape at similar ages)

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #40
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    yes my point stands

    until the OP defines what is "The right way to deal" with "some people" which he hasn't yet



    what is his proposal so?

    Exactly, he said SOME people. Like the rapist of children.

    It's Statutory rape for a 19 year old to fcuk a 16 year old, He shouldn't do it, but I still don't think he should even get jail time.


  • #41
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    BroomBurner wrote: »
    In no way whatsoever did I get the impression ei.sdraob (why can't you have an easier name?!) was advocating paedophilia, or suggesting that they shouldn't be punished.

    exactly the guy in OP deserves punishment

    some people here really need to learn to read and to stop jumping to conclusions

    all i did was highlight a case here in Ireland (there are many more) to make the OP and other think

    oh and my username is boards.ie spelled backwards :)


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  • #42
    genericguy
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    minidazzler wrote: »
    You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

    I now hate you. No offence.

    minidazzler i can't believe you're disagreeing with that man - a 19 year old and a 16 year old in a loving relationship having consensual sex is really no different to a grown man raping, torturing and killing babies and should be punished accordingly.


    shame on you.

    oh, wait a second...


  • #43
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    yes my point stands

    until the OP defines what is "The right way to deal" with "some people" which he hasn't yet



    what is his proposal so?

    he said he agrees with the punishment handed out..how hard is that for you to understand?

    I don't think he made a proposal but if he did I'm sure it's that people who do what this excuse for a human being did would be punished in this way


  • #44
    Executive Steve
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    SV wrote: »
    THAT ISN'T THE OPS PROPOSAL.


    But technically any law against the former would also be a law against the latter.

    Which is why laws like this have no place in a civilised society, tbh.


    Anyway, i'm guessing that half the people in this thread who are vicariously living out their sadistic fantasies about crucifixion and decapitation are the first ones to chime in their two pence worth every time someone starts a thread about how Sharia law is just around the corner and we can't have nativity plays any more because the Muslims will be offended.


  • #45
    walshb
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    minidazzler wrote: »
    Exactly, he said SOME people. Like the rapist of children.

    It's Statutory rape for a 19 year old to fcuk a 16 year old, He shouldn't do it, but I still don't think he should even get jail time.

    So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

    The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.


  • #46
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    walshb wrote: »
    So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

    The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.

    True, but at 16 I think a Barring order should be put in place, break that and jail time.

    Jail time straight up at 14.

    15 is a grey area, I wouldnt' do anyone younger than 19 myself, but that's because I can't stand young people.


  • #47
    GLaDOS
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    walshb wrote: »
    So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

    The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.
    The line should be proportional to the age of the offender

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #48
    genericguy
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    SV wrote: »
    he said he agrees with the punishment handed out..how hard is that for you to understand?

    I don't think he made a proposal but if he did I'm sure it's that people who do what this excuse for a human being did would be punished in this way


    "blah blah try to rehabilitate the baby raping murder blah blah amnesty international blah blah yes i'd say the same if someone raped and murdered my child"

    pinkos don't do logic... if a few of the bleedin' hearts in this country met someone that left them with a bleedin' arse their opinions would change.


  • #49
    Biggins
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    SV wrote: »
    he said he agrees with the punishment handed out..how hard is that for you to understand?

    I don't think he made a proposal but if he did I'm sure it's that people who do what this excuse for a human being did would be punished in this way

    I'm glad you get it.

    I haven't proposed anything (not that I know of :confused: ).
    I said once in a while a agree with something another country does.
    Here is my point - I agree with it on an emotional level!
    On a level of fairness and justice of a sentence that might have to be revoked (later), in realistic practical terms 99% of the time I would have to say "lock the person up and throw away the keys".

    The other 1% of the time there might be a case for just a hard penalty (when the culprit was caught right in the act) for as this sick man was found to be, was two things.
    1. A cold child killer who did his killings without hesitation and
    2. A rapist that sought to inflict a severest form of pain on an innocent victim.


  • #50
    DazMarz
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    Capital punishment is not the way to go... Nor is corporal punishment.

    Certain extreme cases warrant more extreme punishments.

    I do not agree with capital punishment for the simple reason that for every 100 guilty men executed and who got what they deserved, one innocent man is put to death for a crime he did not commit. The system is too flawed to mete out such punishments. There is no perfect solution.

    Captial punishment does not deter others from committing capital crimes; but it does prevent the ones who are put to death from re-offending (that's for sure...)

    But I still oppose the death penalty for the potential miscarriages of justice that can occur via its usage, however rare they may be.


  • #51
    RMD
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    Would much rather prefer if he was crucified Jesus style, but suppose that would be a bit to inhumane even for Saudi Arabia.


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  • #52
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    The line should be proportional to the age of the offender

    Well, go ahead and make that law then.

    As it is now, that law does not exist.


  • #53
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    walshb wrote: »
    So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

    The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.

    Statutory rape and rape aren't the same thing.


  • #54
    Handsome Bob
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    I prefer knowing that a scumbag such as a paedophile or murderer is spending a considerable amount of time rotting behind bars.


  • #55
    Biggins
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    I prefer knowing that a scumbag such as a paedophile or murderer is spending a considerable amount of time rotting behind bars.

    When they are both to the cold high degree that this man as found to be, they should NEVER be let out again.
    EVER!
    No if's - no buts.


  • #56
    Gummy Panda
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Saudi Arabia gets some stick but occasionally in a while they hand out a sentence I actually for once, agree with!
    See below. Good riddance to the piece of garbage! :mad:

    You justify the barbaric acts of a state due to the barbaric acts of an individual?

    I'd rather life behind bars and so he can be studied by psychologists so we can identify individual characteristics common to child rapists in the hopes of prevention in the future rather then retribution.


  • #57
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    SV wrote: »
    Statutory rape and rape aren't the same thing.

    Yes, I know this, but does that mean that only ONE deserves jail time?

    I mean, if you can be jailed for not paying a tv licence, then I think any crime
    with the word rape in it should be also a jail sentence.

    Anyway, I see statutory rape of a minor, whether the minor be 10 or 12 or 14 the same.
    The law says that a minor cannot consent and the older person deserves jail time
    for this.

    Technically, the sexual assault or rape of a two or three year old "could" be deemed statutory. Again, this is jail time


  • #58
    jif
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    Crucifixion in the conservative desert Kingdom means tying the convict’s body to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after he is decapitated by a professional swordsman.

    would it not work better if the crucifixion came first then after a day or two the beheading thing.


  • #59
    SV
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    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, I know this, but does that mean that only ONE deserves jail time?

    I mean, if you can be jailed for not paying a tv licence, then I think any crime
    with the word rape in it should be also a jail sentence.

    Anyway, I see statutory rape of a minor, whether the minor be 10 or 12 or 14 the same.
    The law says that a minor cannot consent and the older person deserves jail time
    for this.

    Technically, the sexual assault or rape of a two or three year old can be deemed statutory? Again, this is jail time

    What, if it contains the word rape in it it should be a jail sentence?
    That's some odd logic you have going there.

    and no, that young would be called child molestation, which is a more serious crime.


  • #60
    genericguy
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    I prefer knowing that a scumbag such as a paedophile or murderer is spending a considerable amount of time rotting behind bars.

    well that won't really happen in ireland tbh. they get out, they do it again, and again and their punishment is a cushy number in arbour hill with free food, gym, pool tables and a tv. and of course early release cos they pray to our father who aren't in heaven every night.

    the laws should just be changed so they at least get mandatory life sentences, and so they don't get protection in prison. send them in with anto and deco, tell everyone that they raped somebody and let nature take its course.

    when i rise to power though, all rapists will recieve one year sentences, to minimise costs to the tax payer. however, they will have their willies cut off, and will, at the behest of the victim, receive unsupervised, unrecorded weekly visits from an able bodied relative of the victim.

    and that is all.


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  • #61
    Holsten
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    I don't really agree with the method, but yes, some people need to be gotten rid of.


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