Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

Biggins

Saudi Arabia gets some stick but occasionally in a while they hand out a sentence I actually for once, agree with!
See below. Good riddance to the piece of garbage! :mad:

A man in Saudi Arabia is to be beheaded and crucified after he raped five children and left one of them, a three-year-old boy, to die in the desert.
An appeal court in the capital Riyadh approved the death sentence handed down in June by judges in the northwestern oasis city of Hail where the convicted 22-year-old man carried out his crimes.

The rapist - who was not named - was arrested several weeks ago as he tried to seize another boy after offering him a ride home from school.
The seven-year-old - who escaped unharmed - helped identify the culprit.
The man’s victims were aged between three and seven. He was said to have lured them into his car as they left school at midday and then drove them to remote desert locations to rape them.

An investigation was launched after a 25-year-old father reported that his three-year-old son was missing and that he suspected the kidnapper to be a male driver of a white four-wheel drive vehicle.
The infant was later found under a scorching sun in the desert where he had died of thirst.
A panel of three judges in Hail sentenced the rapist to death for “abhorrent” crimes which they said had terrorised the community.

Crucifixion in the conservative desert Kingdom means tying the convict’s body to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after he is decapitated by a professional swordsman.
Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking.
In extreme cases, the convict is executed and his body crucified in public.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225006/Saudi-Arabian-paedophile-beheaded-crucified-string-sex-attacks-including-left-toddler-die-desert.html#ixzz0VpRTQ6Lu

SV

Right way to deal with someone like him, wrong way to deal with 99% of others.

minidazzler

Well deserved I think.

Biggins

SV wrote: »

Right way to deal with someone like him, wrong way to deal with 99% of others.

O' I agree with you there. His kind is the extreme rare exception.

My name is URL

No, it's barbaric

so are their stoning laws, watch a video and get perspective

We live in a society where taking a life is not tolerated, be it under law or not

I like it here.. that's just my opinion

A Doozer

I was thinking about that on the way to work. Not that particular case but how the legal/judicial world have turned. If someone breaks into your home you should be able to beat six shades of snot out of them without getting sued.

If someone does rape someone then cut their penis off

If it's a paedo rape, cut it off for two weeks and then execute them.

I am so sick of the sh!t that's going on. Someone stole my car and crashed it - what did they try to do? Sue me. Ffs! Corporal punishment had it's benefits as well as it's boo boo's. Good article. Makes me want to move there.

Thanks op

ei.sdraob

Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

who defines this "some" people class? :rolleyes:

minidazzler

My name is URL wrote: »

No, it's barbaric

so are their stoning laws, watch a video and get perspective

We live in a society where taking a life is not tolerated, be it under law or not

I like it here.. that's just my opinion

We also live in a society where buggering children is tolerated.

I don't like it here.

minidazzler

ei.sdraob wrote: »

who defines this "some" people class? :rolleyes:

They define themselves when they harm children.

Biggins

minidazzler wrote: »

They define themselves when they harm children.

SPOT on.

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

SPOT on.

Do they have any defense to help them if they are innocent?

stovelid

KILL THEM ALL

minidazzler

stovelid wrote: »

KILL THEM ALL

Whose them?

ei.sdraob

minidazzler wrote: »

They define themselves when they harm children.

here in Ireland a 19 year old male having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

does this guy deserve beheading too?

life is not black and white

kincsem

Would an immigrant worker and a member of their royal family be treated equally by their justice system?

stovelid

minidazzler wrote: »

Whose them?

All who incur our outrage.

SV

ei.sdraob wrote: »

here in Ireland a 16 year old having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

does this 16 year old deserve beheading too?

life is not black and white

Oh dear.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/picard-facepalm.jpg

minidazzler

ei.sdraob wrote: »

here in Ireland a 16 year old having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

does this 16 year old deserve beheading too?

life is not black and white

I used both the words HARM and CHILDREN.

Two 16 year olds fcuking involves no harm and no children.

ei.sdraob

minidazzler wrote: »

I used both the words HARM and CHILDREN.

Two 16 year olds fcuking involves no harm and no children.

the courts think otherwise and the guy is being charged for sex crime

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

btw i edited my post in this case

the guy is 19 and girl was 16 at time


what im trying to say is that how would your saudi arabia law deal with cases like this

Biggins

kincsem wrote: »

Would an immigrant worker and a member of their royal family be treated equally by their justice system?

Maybe as much so as an Irish woman/man who fails to pay their TV licence, gets jail - versus an Irish Banker who loses the public millions/billions who walks!

minidazzler

ei.sdraob wrote: »

here in Ireland a 19 year old male having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

does this guy deserve beheading too?

life is not black and white

The man RAPED the CHILDREN.

Why would you be for that?

minidazzler

ei.sdraob wrote: »

the courts think otherwise

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

btw i edited my post in this case

the guy is 19 and girl was 16 at timw


what im trying to say is that how would your saudi arabia law deal with cases like this

You are getting on my tit's about this.

That's statutory rape, technically. I personally have no problem if someone wants to fcuk a 16 year old. But in THIS country it doesn't involve beheading anyway so your point is Moot.

I don't know how the Saudi's would deal with it, probably stone the girl to death for being a temptress.

But that's not what is being discussed here.

It is not remotely similar.

Although I would agree that someone who commited crimes as horrendous as this guy did might deserve this kind of punishment, it's impossible to agree with the Saudi system as a whole. FFS they can execute you for apostasy.

What happens if it comes to light several years down the line that they got the wrong guy? A death sentence can't be reversed! I remember reading somewhere that in the U.S. when DNA evidence was used to reexamine the cases of a group of prisoners on death row a disturbingly large amount of them turned out to be innocent.

ei.sdraob

minidazzler wrote: »

The man RAPED the CHILDREN.

Why would you be for that?

will you calm the f*uck down

I read the OP and its wrong, the guy should rot rest of his life in dirty prison


what im trying to say (yet again) is how will the Saudi law deal with cases like the one I linked in the above post

minidazzler wrote: »

You are getting on my tit's about this.

That's statutory rape, technically. I personally have no problem if someone wants to fcuk a 16 year old. But in THIS country it doesn't involve beheading anyway so your point is Moot.

the OP wants beheading in this country...

so my point stands

PirateShampoo

ei.sdraob wrote: »

here in Ireland a 19 year old male having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

Here in Ireland raping children is ok as well, so tell me who really has the ****ed up Justice system?

ei.sdraob

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Here in Ireland raping children is ok as well, so tell me who really has the ****ed up Justice system?

yes the Catholic church would agree with you

no one there got any jail time and they dont have to pay the bills

which is also very wrong

PirateShampoo

Deleted User wrote: »

Although I would agree that someone who commited crimes as horrendous as this guy did might deserve this kind of punishment, it's impossible to agree with the Saudi system as a whole. FFS they can execute you for apostasy.

It wasnt much different in Ireland that long ago.

Biggins

The world is a strange place.
Our traditions and ways of doing things are not deemed to be always just the right way - each country to their own and just once in a while (for all the many bad things they have/do) they have things other people in other places admire.

See: Bulgarian girl, 11, gives birth to her daughter... on her wedding day
Here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1224770/Bulgarian-girl-Kordeza-Zhelyazkova-11-gives-birth-daughter--wedding-day.html#ixzz0VpWes5bK

minidazzler

ei.sdraob wrote: »

will you calm the f*uck down

I read the OP and its wrong, the guy should rot rest of his life in dirty prison


what im trying to say (yet again) is how will the Saudi law deal with cases like the one I linked in the above post



the OP wants beheading in this country...

so my point stands

You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

I now hate you. No offence.

SV

ei.sdraob wrote: »

will you calm the f*uck down

I read the OP and its wrong, the guy should rot rest of his life in dirty prison


what im trying to say (yet again) is how will the Saudi law deal with cases like the one I linked in the above post



the OP wants beheading in this country...

so my point stands

Does everyone who commits the same crime get the same sentence?
i.e Murder 1 person, get X amount of years, Assault 1 person, get X amount of years ?
No they don't.
So your point doesn't stand.

My name is URL

minidazzler wrote: »

We also live in a society where buggering children is tolerated.

I don't like it here.

Buggering children isn't tolerated in our society

The system for dealing with it is flawed though, not as flawed as a system in which the state can end your life however

what is anyone's life really worth if that can happen? And it happens to innocent people sometimes

Biggins

minidazzler wrote: »

Whose them?

For me... "them" that rapes a young child, dumps their poor body in a desert and abandons them there to their slow, pain filled, crying death.

ei.sdraob

minidazzler wrote: »

You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

I now hate you. No offence.

:rolleyes: jebus AH is inhabited by some strange creatures

do you wish to twist what i posted even more?


does the 19 year old here in Ireland who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend deserve beheading as per OPs proposal?

technically per current law he raped her as shes not an adult

SV

ei.sdraob wrote: »

:rolleyes: jebus AH is inhabited by some strange creatures

do you wish to twist what i posted even more?


does the 19 year old here in Ireland who had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend deserve beheading as per OPs proposal?

technically per current law he raped her as shes not an adult

THAT ISN'T THE OPS PROPOSAL.

ei.sdraob

SV wrote: »

Does everyone who commits the same crime get the same sentence?
i.e Murder 1 person, get X amount of years, Assault 1 person, get X amount of years ?
No they don't.
So your point doesn't stand.

yes my point stands

until the OP defines what is "The right way to deal" with "some people" which he hasn't yet

SV wrote: »

THAT ISN'T THE OPS PROPOSAL.

what is his proposal so?

BroomBurner

minidazzler wrote: »

You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

I now hate you. No offence.

I think his point was more about someone here claiming that they would like to live there, seeing as this was how they dealt with paedophiles.

In no way whatsoever did I get the impression ei.sdraob (why can't you have an easier name?!) was advocating paedophilia, or suggesting that they shouldn't be punished.

The simple fact is, you can either have a democracy, with the good and bad that comes with it; or you can have an other system, with all the good and bad that come with it. Personally, as I continue to choose to live in Ireland, I'm going with the former.

OT, I don't believe in corporal/capital punishment, ever. It's the easy way out for scum.

Executive Steve

minidazzler wrote: »

We also live in a society where buggering children is tolerated.

I don't like it here.

It's only tolerated if you're a priest in fairness - try raping a child without the church and the government on your side and see how far you get...

netwhizkid

I wouldn't behead him, just give him the lethal injection.

GLaDOS

I don't believe in capital punishment, purely incase there is a mistake about their guilt.

If there was a way of working out guilt without doubt, I'd have no problem with it for murderers and rapists. (Not counting statutory rape at similar ages)

minidazzler

ei.sdraob wrote: »

yes my point stands

until the OP defines what is "The right way to deal" with "some people" which he hasn't yet



what is his proposal so?

Exactly, he said SOME people. Like the rapist of children.

It's Statutory rape for a 19 year old to fcuk a 16 year old, He shouldn't do it, but I still don't think he should even get jail time.

ei.sdraob

BroomBurner wrote: »

In no way whatsoever did I get the impression ei.sdraob (why can't you have an easier name?!) was advocating paedophilia, or suggesting that they shouldn't be punished.

exactly the guy in OP deserves punishment

some people here really need to learn to read and to stop jumping to conclusions

all i did was highlight a case here in Ireland (there are many more) to make the OP and other think

oh and my username is boards.ie spelled backwards

genericguy

minidazzler wrote: »

You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

I now hate you. No offence.

minidazzler i can't believe you're disagreeing with that man - a 19 year old and a 16 year old in a loving relationship having consensual sex is really no different to a grown man raping, torturing and killing babies and should be punished accordingly.


shame on you.

oh, wait a second...

SV

ei.sdraob wrote: »

yes my point stands

until the OP defines what is "The right way to deal" with "some people" which he hasn't yet



what is his proposal so?

he said he agrees with the punishment handed out..how hard is that for you to understand?

I don't think he made a proposal but if he did I'm sure it's that people who do what this excuse for a human being did would be punished in this way

Executive Steve

SV wrote: »

THAT ISN'T THE OPS PROPOSAL.

But technically any law against the former would also be a law against the latter.

Which is why laws like this have no place in a civilised society, tbh.


Anyway, i'm guessing that half the people in this thread who are vicariously living out their sadistic fantasies about crucifixion and decapitation are the first ones to chime in their two pence worth every time someone starts a thread about how Sharia law is just around the corner and we can't have nativity plays any more because the Muslims will be offended.

walshb

minidazzler wrote: »

Exactly, he said SOME people. Like the rapist of children.

It's Statutory rape for a 19 year old to fcuk a 16 year old, He shouldn't do it, but I still don't think he should even get jail time.

So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.

minidazzler

walshb wrote: »

So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.

True, but at 16 I think a Barring order should be put in place, break that and jail time.

Jail time straight up at 14.

15 is a grey area, I wouldnt' do anyone younger than 19 myself, but that's because I can't stand young people.

GLaDOS

walshb wrote: »

So, when should he get jail time? When she is 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6?

The law is the law, and a line has to be drawn.

The line should be proportional to the age of the offender

genericguy

SV wrote: »

he said he agrees with the punishment handed out..how hard is that for you to understand?

I don't think he made a proposal but if he did I'm sure it's that people who do what this excuse for a human being did would be punished in this way

"blah blah try to rehabilitate the baby raping murder blah blah amnesty international blah blah yes i'd say the same if someone raped and murdered my child"

pinkos don't do logic... if a few of the bleedin' hearts in this country met someone that left them with a bleedin' arse their opinions would change.

Biggins

SV wrote: »

he said he agrees with the punishment handed out..how hard is that for you to understand?

I don't think he made a proposal but if he did I'm sure it's that people who do what this excuse for a human being did would be punished in this way

I'm glad you get it.

I haven't proposed anything (not that I know of ).
I said once in a while a agree with something another country does.
Here is my point - I agree with it on an emotional level!
On a level of fairness and justice of a sentence that might have to be revoked (later), in realistic practical terms 99% of the time I would have to say "lock the person up and throw away the keys".

The other 1% of the time there might be a case for just a hard penalty (when the culprit was caught right in the act) for as this sick man was found to be, was two things.
1. A cold child killer who did his killings without hesitation and
2. A rapist that sought to inflict a severest form of pain on an innocent victim.

DazMarz

Capital punishment is not the way to go... Nor is corporal punishment.

Certain extreme cases warrant more extreme punishments.

I do not agree with capital punishment for the simple reason that for every 100 guilty men executed and who got what they deserved, one innocent man is put to death for a crime he did not commit. The system is too flawed to mete out such punishments. There is no perfect solution.

Captial punishment does not deter others from committing capital crimes; but it does prevent the ones who are put to death from re-offending (that's for sure...)

But I still oppose the death penalty for the potential miscarriages of justice that can occur via its usage, however rare they may be.

RMD

Would much rather prefer if he was crucified Jesus style, but suppose that would be a bit to inhumane even for Saudi Arabia.