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Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

  • 03-11-2009 09:07PM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭


    Saudi Arabia gets some stick but occasionally in a while they hand out a sentence I actually for once, agree with!
    See below. Good riddance to the piece of garbage! :mad:
    A man in Saudi Arabia is to be beheaded and crucified after he raped five children and left one of them, a three-year-old boy, to die in the desert.
    An appeal court in the capital Riyadh approved the death sentence handed down in June by judges in the northwestern oasis city of Hail where the convicted 22-year-old man carried out his crimes.

    The rapist - who was not named - was arrested several weeks ago as he tried to seize another boy after offering him a ride home from school.
    The seven-year-old - who escaped unharmed - helped identify the culprit.
    The man’s victims were aged between three and seven. He was said to have lured them into his car as they left school at midday and then drove them to remote desert locations to rape them.

    An investigation was launched after a 25-year-old father reported that his three-year-old son was missing and that he suspected the kidnapper to be a male driver of a white four-wheel drive vehicle.
    The infant was later found under a scorching sun in the desert where he had died of thirst.
    A panel of three judges in Hail sentenced the rapist to death for “abhorrent” crimes which they said had terrorised the community.

    Crucifixion in the conservative desert Kingdom means tying the convict’s body to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after he is decapitated by a professional swordsman.
    Saudi Arabia has executed 56 people this year under laws that allow the death penalty for rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking.
    In extreme cases, the convict is executed and his body crucified in public.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    Right way to deal with someone like him, wrong way to deal with 99% of others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Well deserved I think.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    SV wrote: »
    Right way to deal with someone like him, wrong way to deal with 99% of others.

    O' I agree with you there. His kind is the extreme rare exception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,365 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    No, it's barbaric

    so are their stoning laws, watch a video and get perspective

    We live in a society where taking a life is not tolerated, be it under law or not

    I like it here.. that's just my opinion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 157 ✭✭A Doozer


    I was thinking about that on the way to work. Not that particular case but how the legal/judicial world have turned. If someone breaks into your home you should be able to beat six shades of snot out of them without getting sued.

    If someone does rape someone then cut their penis off

    If it's a paedo rape, cut it off for two weeks and then execute them.

    I am so sick of the sh!t that's going on. Someone stole my car and crashed it - what did they try to do? Sue me. Ffs! Corporal punishment had it's benefits as well as it's boo boo's. Good article. Makes me want to move there.

    Thanks op


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Saudi Arabia Justice - The right way to deal with some people?

    who defines this "some" people class? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    No, it's barbaric

    so are their stoning laws, watch a video and get perspective

    We live in a society where taking a life is not tolerated, be it under law or not

    I like it here.. that's just my opinion

    We also live in a society where buggering children is tolerated.

    I don't like it here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    who defines this "some" people class? :rolleyes:

    They define themselves when they harm children.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    They define themselves when they harm children.
    SPOT on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,365 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Biggins wrote: »
    SPOT on.

    Do they have any defense to help them if they are innocent?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    KILL THEM ALL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    stovelid wrote: »
    KILL THEM ALL

    Whose them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    They define themselves when they harm children.

    here in Ireland a 19 year old male having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

    does this guy deserve beheading too?

    life is not black and white


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Would an immigrant worker and a member of their royal family be treated equally by their justice system?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Whose them?

    All who incur our outrage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    here in Ireland a 16 year old having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

    does this 16 year old deserve beheading too?

    life is not black and white

    Oh dear.
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/picard-facepalm.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    here in Ireland a 16 year old having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

    does this 16 year old deserve beheading too?

    life is not black and white

    I used both the words HARM and CHILDREN.

    Two 16 year olds fcuking involves no harm and no children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    I used both the words HARM and CHILDREN.

    Two 16 year olds fcuking involves no harm and no children.

    the courts think otherwise and the guy is being charged for sex crime

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

    btw i edited my post in this case

    the guy is 19 and girl was 16 at time


    what im trying to say is that how would your saudi arabia law deal with cases like this


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    kincsem wrote: »
    Would an immigrant worker and a member of their royal family be treated equally by their justice system?

    Maybe as much so as an Irish woman/man who fails to pay their TV licence, gets jail - versus an Irish Banker who loses the public millions/billions who walks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    here in Ireland a 19 year old male having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

    does this guy deserve beheading too?

    life is not black and white

    The man RAPED the CHILDREN.

    Why would you be for that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    the courts think otherwise

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-stupid-laws-make-sex-a-crime--if-youre-male-1927435.html

    btw i edited my post in this case

    the guy is 19 and girl was 16 at timw


    what im trying to say is that how would your saudi arabia law deal with cases like this

    You are getting on my tit's about this.

    That's statutory rape, technically. I personally have no problem if someone wants to fcuk a 16 year old. But in THIS country it doesn't involve beheading anyway so your point is Moot.

    I don't know how the Saudi's would deal with it, probably stone the girl to death for being a temptress.

    But that's not what is being discussed here.

    It is not remotely similar.


  • Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Although I would agree that someone who commited crimes as horrendous as this guy did might deserve this kind of punishment, it's impossible to agree with the Saudi system as a whole. FFS they can execute you for apostasy.

    What happens if it comes to light several years down the line that they got the wrong guy? A death sentence can't be reversed! I remember reading somewhere that in the U.S. when DNA evidence was used to reexamine the cases of a group of prisoners on death row a disturbingly large amount of them turned out to be innocent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    The man RAPED the CHILDREN.

    Why would you be for that?

    will you calm the f*uck down

    I read the OP and its wrong, the guy should rot rest of his life in dirty prison


    what im trying to say (yet again) is how will the Saudi law deal with cases like the one I linked in the above post
    You are getting on my tit's about this.

    That's statutory rape, technically. I personally have no problem if someone wants to fcuk a 16 year old. But in THIS country it doesn't involve beheading anyway so your point is Moot.

    the OP wants beheading in this country...

    so my point stands


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    here in Ireland a 19 year old male having sex with a 16 year old is considered a sex offender thanks to new laws (and there are already lawcases in court)


    Here in Ireland raping children is ok as well, so tell me who really has the ****ed up Justice system?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,364 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Here in Ireland raping children is ok as well, so tell me who really has the ****ed up Justice system?

    yes the Catholic church would agree with you

    no one there got any jail time and they dont have to pay the bills

    which is also very wrong


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    Although I would agree that someone who commited crimes as horrendous as this guy did might deserve this kind of punishment, it's impossible to agree with the Saudi system as a whole. FFS they can execute you for apostasy.

    It wasnt much different in Ireland that long ago.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    The world is a strange place.
    Our traditions and ways of doing things are not deemed to be always just the right way - each country to their own and just once in a while (for all the many bad things they have/do) they have things other people in other places admire.

    See: Bulgarian girl, 11, gives birth to her daughter... on her wedding day
    Here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1224770/Bulgarian-girl-Kordeza-Zhelyazkova-11-gives-birth-daughter--wedding-day.html#ixzz0VpWes5bK


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    will you calm the f*uck down

    I read the OP and its wrong, the guy should rot rest of his life in dirty prison


    what im trying to say (yet again) is how will the Saudi law deal with cases like the one I linked in the above post



    the OP wants beheading in this country...

    so my point stands

    You sir are a goddamn criminal loving liberal.

    I now hate you. No offence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,533 ✭✭✭SV


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    will you calm the f*uck down

    I read the OP and its wrong, the guy should rot rest of his life in dirty prison


    what im trying to say (yet again) is how will the Saudi law deal with cases like the one I linked in the above post



    the OP wants beheading in this country...

    so my point stands

    Does everyone who commits the same crime get the same sentence?
    i.e Murder 1 person, get X amount of years, Assault 1 person, get X amount of years ?
    No they don't.
    So your point doesn't stand.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,365 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    We also live in a society where buggering children is tolerated.

    I don't like it here.

    Buggering children isn't tolerated in our society

    The system for dealing with it is flawed though, not as flawed as a system in which the state can end your life however

    what is anyone's life really worth if that can happen? And it happens to innocent people sometimes


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