2012 return of the hidden planet?

mysterious · 02-11-2009 07:26PM

King Mob wrote: »

What question?

I've explained why I don't believe any other civilisations never predicted anything for that date.

You stated it was fact. You didn't explain anything.

That's why I'm waiting for you to back up this fact. you said no other ancient ever predicted anything for 2012.

I dont know why you can't just answer the question

Could you please adress this fact

02-11-2009 07:31PM

mysterious wrote: »

You stated it was fact. You didn't explain anything.

That's why I'm waiting for you to back up this fact. you said no other ancient ever predicted anything for 2012.

I dont know why you can't just answer the question Could you please adress this fact

I did.
I explained that the only mention of this date comes from the Mayan calender.

But it looks like you want me to prove a negative. Logically it's something you can actually do.

For example can you prove that no ancient culture predicted anything for this date?

mysterious · 02-11-2009 07:36PM

King Mob wrote: »

I did.
I explained that the only mention of this date comes from the Mayan calender.

But it looks like you want me to prove a negative. Logically it's something you can actually do.

For example can you prove that no ancient culture predicted anything for this date?

No I just want proof of this statement of yours that is all.

bonkey · 02-11-2009 07:40PM

King Mob wrote: »

Ok how about the fact that the date 21/12/2012 only crops up in the Mayan calendar.

I'm pretty sure it crops up in our calendar as well...as well as any calendar which doesn't terminate before that point in time.

Or how about the fact that no other civilisation ever predicted anything for that date?

If you can show that one did, please go ahead.

I would be picky here and say that it is not a fact that no other civilisation (ancient or otherwise) predicted something for that point in time.

It is, rather, the case that no other civilisation is currently known to have predicted something for that point in time.

There is a distinction.

02-11-2009 07:41PM

mysterious wrote: »

No I just want proof of this statement of yours that is all.

I can't prove a negative.
Just like you can't prove that no ancient culture predicted anything for this date.

In all my research I have not been able to find any evidence that any anicient civilisation predicted anything for 2012.

Can you provide an example of one?

02-11-2009 07:45PM

bonkey wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it crops up in our calendar as well...as well as any calendar which doesn't terminate before that point in time.

Sorry I should have been clearer here.
I meant that the only calendar that gives that date any significance is the Mayan one.
The calander going from 12.19.19.17.19 to 13.0.0.0.0

DigiGal · 03-11-2009 04:09PM

Clare_Guy wrote: »

saw a trailer for the movie 2012, looks interesting, hopefully it'll give us some useful advice for it?!...

Find John Cusack and cling to him for dear life

Or any other protagonist

mysterious · 03-11-2009 04:35PM

Allex Collier stated that a planetart structure will pass through our solar systen and it will be seen in the next year. Alex rarely speaks out and is always on the ball with his mentoring. He's a pretty down to earth man. I also am glad the Andromedians sussed him out as a contactee back in the day.

But as many people think I'm a C.Ts I'm a skeptic too on this matter with Nibru.:D

I'm aware that the governments and NASA are very well responsible for the disinfo on this topic. For exposing it in the 80s and the rolling it back. Like everything else they do. Many ex Nasa workers claim planet X is through and all top astronomers know but are kept quiet about it. While we all are told little to nothing. That's fine, as this has alway's been the way. But it is interesting to know they are two stories on this. Some say Nibru is coming and others are saying it was blown up. I understand this as someone is trying to spread mis info deliberatly in a way of making us unprepared if it does come by. Though if Nibru is infact destroyed, our second sun will stil pass through and affect our climate and gravity but not as greatly as it did in the past if Nibru was enroute between Mars and Jupiter. C.Ts are not the only people who are researching this top people in the astronomy field are trying to find out too. But's it unusually very divided on the actual faith of Nibru.

From my perspective I have completle understanding of our nature of our second sun and it's orbiting planets as our dark twin. Like most stars in the universe are binary. And all the ancients were aware of our second star. but there is many conflicting stories on this. But it does exist and there is no reason as to why it doesn't. It made our solar system the way it did as it passed through to shake everything up. Like someone coming along and throwing a rock into the bath. Rocks everything in it's path, and on it's journey out our solar system begins to calm down again as it appears now. But leading NASA astronmers had to admit our solar system is changing rapidly again.

So I think people need to trust their intution as to whether you feel our evolution is starting. The pheonix as they sometimes call it on it's return. So my conclusion is this, what do you feel? rather than looking to TPTBs on this matter.

DigiGal · 03-11-2009 04:36PM

mysterious wrote: »

Allex Collier stated that a planetart structure will pass through our solar systen and it will be seen in the next year. Alex rarely speaks out and is always on the ball with his mentoring. He's a pretty down to earth man. I also am glad the Andromedians sussed him out as a contactee back in the day.

But as many people think I'm a C.Ts I'm a skeptic too on this matter with Nibru.:D

I'm aware that the governments and NASA are very well responsible for the disinfo on this topic. For exposing it in the 80s and the rolling it back. Like everything else they do. Many ex Nasa workers claim planet X is through and all top astronomers know but are kept quiet about it. While we all are told little to nothing. That's fine, as this has alway's been the way. But it is interesting to know they are two stories on this. Some say Nibru is coming and others are saying it was blown up. I understand this as someone is trying to spread mis info deliberatly in a way of making us unprepared if it does come by.

From my perspective I have completle understanding of our nature of our second sun and it's orbiting planets as our dark twin. Like most stars in the universe are binary. And all the ancients were aware of this, but there is many conflicting stories on this. But it does exist and there is no reason as to why it doesn't. It made our solar system the way it did as it passed through to shake everything up. Like someone coming along and throwing a rock into the bath. Rocks everything in it's path, and on it's journey out our solar system begins to calm down again as it appears now. But leading NASA astronmers had to admit our solar system is changing rapidly again.

So I think people need to trust their intution as to whether you feel our evolution is starting. The pheonix as they sometimes call it on it's return. So my conclusion is this, what do you feel? rather than looking to TPTBs on this matter.

Grabs telescope, rings astronomy mates, checks out star maps....

I don't see anything.....

The_Kew_Tour · 03-11-2009 05:29PM

mysterious wrote: »

Allex Collier stated that a planetart structure will pass through our solar systen and it will be seen in the next year. Alex rarely speaks out and is always on the ball with his mentoring. He's a pretty down to earth man. I also am glad the Andromedians sussed him out as a contactee back in the day.

But as many people think I'm a C.Ts I'm a skeptic too on this matter with Nibru.:D

I'm aware that the governments and NASA are very well responsible for the disinfo on this topic. For exposing it in the 80s and the rolling it back. Like everything else they do. Many ex Nasa workers claim planet X is through and all top astronomers know but are kept quiet about it. While we all are told little to nothing. That's fine, as this has alway's been the way. But it is interesting to know they are two stories on this. Some say Nibru is coming and others are saying it was blown up. I understand this as someone is trying to spread mis info deliberatly in a way of making us unprepared if it does come by. Though if Nibru is infact destroyed, our second sun will stil pass through and affect our climate and gravity but not as greatly as it did in the past if Nibru was enroute between Mars and Jupiter. C.Ts are not the only people who are researching this top people in the astronomy field are trying to find out too. But's it unusually very divided on the actual faith of Nibru.

From my perspective I have completle understanding of our nature of our second sun and it's orbiting planets as our dark twin. Like most stars in the universe are binary. And all the ancients were aware of our second star. but there is many conflicting stories on this. But it does exist and there is no reason as to why it doesn't. It made our solar system the way it did as it passed through to shake everything up. Like someone coming along and throwing a rock into the bath. Rocks everything in it's path, and on it's journey out our solar system begins to calm down again as it appears now. But leading NASA astronmers had to admit our solar system is changing rapidly again.

So I think people need to trust their intution as to whether you feel our evolution is starting. The pheonix as they sometimes call it on it's return. So my conclusion is this, what do you feel? rather than looking to TPTBs on this matter.

Any links to this by any chance?

to be honest this 2012 thing to me is going be head wrecker till 1st January 2013

Penn · 03-11-2009 05:37PM

adrian280582 wrote: »

Any links to this by any chance?

to be honest this 2012 thing to me is going be head wrecker till 1st January 2013

Don't worry, its supposed to be happening on 21st December 2012. So you can still enjoy your Christmas

mysterious · 03-11-2009 06:06PM

adrian280582 wrote: »

Any links to this by any chance?

to be honest this 2012 thing to me is going be head wrecker till 1st January 2013

Hi Adrian

I will put forward a few links and videos to give you both sides of the argument. I have found many people who had worked for the government and other whistleblowers have the same consistent story of the history of our solar system. NASA however won't say anything on that matter. They just basically say the solar system as we know has been formed as it looked today and pretty much stays this way.:D I find that kind of funny and not surprising NASA would say that while many whistleblowers make more sense tbh. It's frieghtening to realise how much NASA keep from us.

Give me some time, I will get them for you.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-11-2009 07:30PM

mysterious wrote: »

Hi Adrian

I will put forward a few links and videos to give you both sides of the argument. I have found many people who had worked for the government and other whistleblowers have the same consistent story of the history of our solar system. NASA however won't say anything on that matter. They just basically say the solar system as we know has been formed as it looked today and pretty much stays this way.:D I find that kind of funny and not surprising NASA would say that while many whistleblowers make more sense tbh. It's frieghtening to realise how much NASA keep from us.

Give me some time, I will get them for you.

No problem, thanks for update

dlofnep · 03-11-2009 07:34PM

There is not one iota of Evidence for the existence of Nibiru.

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 07:38PM

mysterious wrote: »

Allex Collier stated that a planetart structure will pass through our solar systen and it will be seen in the next year. Alex rarely speaks out and is always on the ball with his mentoring. He's a pretty down to earth man. I also am glad the Andromedians sussed him out as a contactee back in the day.

But as many people think I'm a C.Ts I'm a skeptic too on this matter with Nibru.:D

I'm aware that the governments and NASA are very well responsible for the disinfo on this topic. For exposing it in the 80s and the rolling it back. Like everything else they do. Many ex Nasa workers claim planet X is through and all top astronomers know but are kept quiet about it. While we all are told little to nothing. That's fine, as this has alway's been the way. But it is interesting to know they are two stories on this. Some say Nibru is coming and others are saying it was blown up. I understand this as someone is trying to spread mis info deliberatly in a way of making us unprepared if it does come by. Though if Nibru is infact destroyed, our second sun will stil pass through and affect our climate and gravity but not as greatly as it did in the past if Nibru was enroute between Mars and Jupiter. C.Ts are not the only people who are researching this top people in the astronomy field are trying to find out too. But's it unusually very divided on the actual faith of Nibru.

From my perspective I have completle understanding of our nature of our second sun and it's orbiting planets as our dark twin. Like most stars in the universe are binary. And all the ancients were aware of our second star. but there is many conflicting stories on this. But it does exist and there is no reason as to why it doesn't. It made our solar system the way it did as it passed through to shake everything up. Like someone coming along and throwing a rock into the bath. Rocks everything in it's path, and on it's journey out our solar system begins to calm down again as it appears now. But leading NASA astronmers had to admit our solar system is changing rapidly again.

So I think people need to trust their intution as to whether you feel our evolution is starting. The pheonix as they sometimes call it on it's return. So my conclusion is this, what do you feel? rather than looking to TPTBs on this matter.

A second star anywhere in the local vicinity of our solar system would be easily visible to the naked eye not to mention to the thousands of dedicated amateur astronomers who scan the sky every day and night with their, quite often, high powered telescopes. None of whom report the discovery of a star close by. In fact is this star is to come flying through the solar system in just 3 years (a very tiny fraction of time compared to the universes age) it would probably be the brightest object in the sky after our own Sun.

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 07:42PM

mysterious wrote: »

Hi Adrian

I will put forward a few links and videos to give you both sides of the argument. I have found many people who had worked for the government and other whistleblowers have the same consistent story of the history of our solar system. NASA however won't say anything on that matter. They just basically say the solar system as we know has been formed as it looked today and pretty much stays this way.:D I find that kind of funny and not surprising NASA would say that while many whistleblowers make more sense tbh. It's frieghtening to realise how much NASA keep from us.

Give me some time, I will get them for you.

NASA is only one of many space organisations in the world. Are JAXA, ESA, Indian Space Organisation, Russian Space Agency, universities, research organisations, UN, every amateur astronomer in the world all in on the conspiracy to hide presence of a second star in or near the solar system??

mysterious · 03-11-2009 07:43PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

A second star anywhere in the local vicinity of our solar system would be easily visible to the naked eye not to mention to the thousands of dedicated amateur astronomers who scan the sky every day and night with their, quite often, high powered telescopes. None of whom report the discovery of a star close by. In fact is this star is to come flying through the solar system in just 3 years (a very tiny fraction of time compared to the universes age) it would probably be the brightest object in the sky after our own Sun.

It's a failed dark star. It's actually daker than a planet. It can't be seen by a telescope or naked eye. Top astronmoers woking for NASA know a lot but say nothing to us. Yes that sounds really absurd. But either way the government will not disclose it. Infact it will still be fainter than most of the planets when it's appears. As for Nibru I cannot say how bright that wil be, but since it's orbiting a dark star and is smaller than Jupiter, darker than jupiter because it has no proper sunlight reflection it's going to be much dimmer. Ancients decribed it as the "dark sun or red destroyer" with wings around it. The hue around it causes it to appear to have wings.

The star would be going at tremendous speed and much faster than any orbit of our suns planets.

It explains why NASA have a lovely infrared telescope built in the Antarctic that detects dark stars in deep in space. And our dark star is coming up from the Southern Hemisphere direction and it comes in the path between Mars and Jupiter. So we will not see with the naked eye until it's very close to our solar system. As to when it comes I don't know.

mysterious · 03-11-2009 07:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

NASA is only one of many space organisations in the world. Are JAXA, ESA, Indian Space Organisation, Russian Space Agency, universities, research organisations, UN, every amateur astronomer in the world all in on the conspiracy to hide presence of a second star in or near the solar system??

NASA exposed it in the 80s as a conspiracy. So we would guess for our entire life.

Like life on mars, give us a sample and let it feck our heads between ourselves. These organisations are not going to tell the public, as there will be global panick. I can't answer why officials won't come out, but whistleblowers are blowing their tunes.

Youtube Bob Dean, I find him very reliable and genuine, hes close to his 80s now so it's no harm to listen to his wise words before he leaves this world.

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 07:52PM

mysterious wrote: »

It's a failed dark star. It's actually daker than a planet. It can't be seen by a telescope or naked eye. Top astronmoers woking for NASA know a lot but say nothing to us. Yes that sounds really absurd. But either way the government will not disclose it. Infact it will still be fainter than most of the planets when it's appears. As for Nibru I cannot say how bright that wil be, but since it's orbiting a dark star and is smaller than Jupiter, darker than jupiter because it has no proper sunlight reflection it's going to be much dimmer. Ancients decribed it as the "dark sun or red destroyer" with wings around it. The hue around it causes it to appear to have wings.

The star would be going at tremendous speed and much faster than any orbit of our suns planets.

It explains why NASA have a lovely infrared telescope built in the Antarctic that detects dark stars in deep in space. And our dark star is coming up from the Southern Hemisphere direction and it comes in the path between Mars and Jupiter. So we will not see with the naked eye until it's very close to our solar system. As to when it comes I don't know.

Couldn't people in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, South America not see it and warn us all of impending doom???

mysterious · 03-11-2009 07:55PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Couldn't people in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, South America not see it and warn us all of impending doom???

It has been said to be spotted already by people working on the Antarctic in late 2008 for the first time. it is been spoken about. I have gotten an email by someone personally as a confirmation. It will not go mainstream however. If this is true or not, it's something we have to also make a decision on. We live in a world where we only get information from these organisations. So we have to use our intuition and gut instincts a little more. We don't have much time to sit around and get cot up with the why's, lies and deception. We also have to be aware there are many dis info agents on sites and mainstream media making up claims that Nibru is coming by making up hoax's videos, so people will assume it's all a hoax. When the times comes we wil not be prepared.

mysterious · 03-11-2009 08:10PM

dlofnep wrote: »

There is not one iota of Evidence for the existence of Nibiru.

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

dlofnep · 03-11-2009 08:25PM

mysterious wrote: »

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

Have you ever even looked into space with a telescope? Tell me exactly where the evidence is to support the theory of Nibiru. I'll await.

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 08:27PM

mysterious wrote: »

It has been said to be spotted already by people working on the Antarctic in late 2008 for the first time. it is been spoken about. I have gotten an email by someone personally as a confirmation. It will not go mainstream however. If this is true or not, it's something we have to also make a decision on. We live in a world where we only get information from these organisations. So we have to use our intuition and gut instincts a little more. We don't have much time to sit around and get cot up with the why's, lies and deception. We also have to be aware there are many dis info agents on sites and mainstream media making up claims that Nibru is coming by making up hoax's videos, so people will assume it's all a hoax. When the times comes we wil not be prepared.

If this 'star' comes and destroys the solar system what can humanity do about it.....why 'be prepared'??

If it can be seen from Antartica then it can be seen from Australia etc.?

Also if this 'star' is coming at us from between Mars and Jupiter then I should be able to see it. I can see Jupiter tonight and if I stay up all night I can see Mars in the early hours of the morning.....why can't I see this 'star' you speak of??

Anita Blow · 03-11-2009 08:47PM

mysterious wrote: »

Then NASA must have a lot of time on their hands making it up in the first place. As for saying no evidence you are clearly mistaken. It's easy to say that when you don't look in the cupboards. But the question is did you look hard enough? before making this claim?

What? When did NASA make-up or discover this Nibiru?

Nibiru was thought up by Zecharia Sitchin and he had very little evidence for it.
The Nibiru Collision with Earth was dreamt up by a crazy lady, Nancy Lieder who claimed she was contacted by Aliens.

Great solid evidence for this :rolleyes:

03-11-2009 09:15PM

But how can it be approaching from our south pole. the Earth isn't standing still. Six months from now we'll be on the other side of the sun.
So unless this planet/star is on somekind of wacky spiral, it can't always be approaching from our south pole.

And even then Polaris (aka, the north star, the Pole star) is more or less directly over our north pole, but you can see it in the sky all the way down to the Equator.

And even if it was "darker than a planet" it'd still be incredibly bright because it's the size of a star.
It'd be bigger and closer that Jupiter and much much brighter.

If Nibiru exists anyone in the southern hemisphere with a telescope would be easily able to see it.

It seems that mysterious simply does not know how astronomy works.

mysterious · 03-11-2009 09:24PM

adrian280582 wrote: »

No problem, thanks for update

This link is only what we are shown and what NASA will only show us, but not affirm. So it's we who has to make a decision on the univere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjhqLkUmtA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9VBsKGdxQU&feature=PlayList&p=80889A7E5EF68345&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5

Summeria where the fallen ones settled long ago,(who come from Nibru) and it's also where the American government are now taking control of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJV4wrNwWDU&feature=related

Here gives you an insight to the book enoch (worth reading up in scriptures as it's not in the King james bible) This video is ok, but it's incredibly mainstream and all a bit vague tbh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6BlvgOgb5Y&feature=related

I promise you all you will like this interview with Bob Dean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM
Bob at a recent on at the European Exopolitics conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngvIP0Za9M&feature=related

Andy loyd discusses Dark star theory on Coast to Coast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Rdp1fN_5o&feature=PlayList&p=FBD08F6272D0D16E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlU1s1UCs-k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlD-7vz7MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g496D3re6zg

I've spent about two hours trying to find the ex Nasa employee explaining the through history of our solar system that was on youtube. It was on Coast to coast about a year ago. All I can say is what he says is the same as other whitleblowers who used to work for NASA and other contactees etc. If you want some more references on our true history of our solar system check out this site. This link is just one section of the site. If you browse on the site you will find some info on our true history of our solar system .
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles.htm#menu

mysterious · 03-11-2009 09:28PM

Anita Blow wrote: »

What? When did NASA make-up or discover this Nibiru?

Nibiru was thought up by Zecharia Sitchin and he had very little evidence for it.
The Nibiru Collision with Earth was dreamt up by a crazy lady, Nancy Lieder who claimed she was contacted by Aliens.

Great solid evidence for this :rolleyes:

In the early 80s Nasa made it deemed a conspiracy and then pull down the blinds on it and leave us in the darkness. Same with pretty much every bit of half truths they blab to us. It's absurd. It's why they have a quite a reputation of never giving a straight answer.

Nobody claimed to my knowledge that nibru was going to crash into earth. The dis info agents surely do for to spread fear.

mysterious · 03-11-2009 09:30PM

King Mob wrote: »

But how can it be approaching from our south pole. the Earth isn't standing still. Six months from now we'll be on the other side of the sun.
So unless this planet/star is on somekind of wacky spiral, it can't always be approaching from our south pole.

And even then Polaris (aka, the north star, the Pole star) is more or less directly over our north pole, but you can see it in the sky all the way down to the Equator.

And even if it was "darker than a planet" it'd still be incredibly bright because it's the size of a star.
It'd be bigger and closer that Jupiter and much much brighter.

If Nibiru exists anyone in the southern hemisphere with a telescope would be easily able to see it.

It seems that mysterious simply does not know how astronomy works.

I never said earth was standing still. I said exactly what I needed to say! Our dark star is not the size of a star. It's a faild dwarf star. It's about the same size as Saturn.

Why did you make the claim that I know nothing about astronomy?

03-11-2009 09:42PM

mysterious wrote: »

I never said earth was standing still. I said exactly what I needed to say!

But you said that the reason we couldn't see Nibiru was because it was approaching from directly over our south pole.
How can this be if the Earth is moving?

mysterious wrote: »

Our dark star is not the size of a star. It's a faild dwarf star. It's about the same size as Saturn.

Actually then it would be just a gas giant.
Failed stars or brown dwarfs are at least 20 times the size of Jupiter.
And even if it was the size of Saturn it's still closer than Jupiter and would be easily visible.

mysterious wrote: »

Why did you make the claim that I know nothing about astronomy?

Because you're throwing around terms like they were Star Trek technobabble?
You may as well be throwing in some "tachyon beams" and "reversing the polarity" for all the sense you are making.

namloc1980 · 03-11-2009 10:18PM

mysterious wrote: »

I never said earth was standing still. I said exactly what I needed to say! Our dark star is not the size of a star. It's a faild dwarf star. It's about the same size as Saturn.

Why did you make the claim that I know nothing about astronomy?

In that case it's not a star at all but a Gas Giant like Jupiter and Saturn. Someone with a modest telescope of 10 to 12 inches can see Pluto under good conditions and that is only 2,400km in diameter (about the distance from London to Moscow) so this 'star/planet' you speak of similar in size to Saturn would have a diameter of 60,000km and would be visible in a pair of binoculors to anyone and amateur astronomers would have easily seen it at this stage.

2012 return of the hidden planet?

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