Almera wont start

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 3:50pm #1

Ok getting a bit peeved off with this car now...
Car won't turn over, instead i'll get a rur-rur-rur sound and then it dies.
Thought it might be bad spark plugs so changed them along with air/oil filter and new oil, still the same.

It seems like a bad starter motor or fuel injector but i really havent a clue, dont even have the tools to check these.

Whats even stranger is if i continuosly try to turn it over for say 45 mins or so it will eventually start(at this point temp needle has risen)

Car is 03 with 67k on the clock

Also here is a vid I uploaded of thr car trying to turn over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZpezpYaOF8

Any help appreciated, tnx

Paul

Bazzy · 28-10-2009 4:15pm

I take it you've tried the battery not being funny or anyhting

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 4:17pm

lol battery is operating as should. All electrics work, full headlights with no dim. i dont have a multimeter to check battery but i dont suspect the battery is at fault.

antodeco · 28-10-2009 4:26pm

Try a different keyfob? Maybe the immobiliser isint kicking in properly?

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 4:40pm

antodeco wrote: »

Try a different keyfob? Maybe the immobiliser isint kicking in properly?

Just tried, no dice.

no1beemerfan · 28-10-2009 4:44pm

Could be a number of things. TDC sensor, electrics playing up etc. Could you get a mechanic look at it?

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 4:49pm

Not til another week or so, skint for cash.
Also not even gonna consider bringing it to a nissan dealership, bad experience with them in the past, apparently a faulty cam sensor is actually a stretched timing chain in their eyes...

EPM · 28-10-2009 4:52pm

Cam positioning sensor was a recall on those (had two at home that needed it). Stretching timing chains is another problem. No recall for that though despite it being a pretty serious problem:rolleyes:

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 5:05pm

EPM wrote: »

Cam positioning sensor was a recall on those (had two at home that needed it). Stretching timing chains is another problem. No recall for that though despite it being a pretty serious problem:rolleyes:

Would either of those cause the car not to turn over though?

jimmyw · 28-10-2009 5:08pm

Good idea showing that vid:cool:. Did you check the fuel delivery?The batt and starter sound ok to me! If that is ok I am guessing its one of the sensors, so dealer or indy.Try a little squirt of "easy start" or "start ya bastard" in the intake.If she runs then it is probably fuel related.

mickdw · 28-10-2009 5:15pm

EPM wrote: »

Cam positioning sensor was a recall on those (had two at home that needed it). Stretching timing chains is another problem. No recall for that though despite it being a pretty serious problem:rolleyes:

I would put money on it being one of these faults. They are known for the non start due to the stretched timing chain anyway.

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 5:20pm

jimmyw wrote: »

Good idea showing that vid:cool:. Did you check the fuel delivery?The batt and starter sound ok to me! If that is ok I am guessing its one of the sensors, so dealer or indy.Try a little squirt of "easy start" or "start ya bastard" in the intake.If she runs then it is probably fuel related.

To be honest i fall short on my knowledge of engines. How do i go about checking the fuel delivery? And could you give me a rough idea of where the intake is so i can try your suggestion?

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 5:21pm

mickdw wrote: »

I would put money on it being one of these faults. They are known for the non start due to the stretched timing chain anyway.

Why is it though that after say 45 mins or so of constant turning over engine that it eventually kicks in? Has it something to do with the engine temp?(as i mentioned it tends to kick in when needle starts to rise on temp indicator)

no1beemerfan · 28-10-2009 5:33pm

eyesofvenus wrote: »

Why is it though that after say 45 mins or so of constant turning over engine that it eventually kicks in? Has it something to do with the engine temp?(as i mentioned it tends to kick in when needle starts to rise on temp indicator)

If it is the Cam Positioning/TDC Sensor that is faulty it affects starting from cold. It can be hard to start anytime but more so when the engine is cold.

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 5:45pm

no1beemerfan wrote: »

If it is the Cam Positioning/TDC Sensor that is faulty it affects starting from cold. It can be hard to start anytime but more so when the engine is cold.

Is this fixable myself and any idea what type of € we're talking about?

jimmyw · 28-10-2009 6:01pm

eyesofvenus wrote: »

To be honest i fall short on my knowledge of engines. How do i go about checking the fuel delivery? And could you give me a rough idea of where the intake is so i can try your suggestion?

Take off the air filter, and spray in the hole!!

eyesofvenus · 28-10-2009 6:03pm

jimmyw wrote: »

Take off the air filter, and spray in the hole!!

You learn something new everyday

thanks!

Helen G · 28-10-2009 8:53pm

Morale of story - dont buy a nissan

eyesofvenus · 29-10-2009 11:10am

Helen G wrote: »

Morale of story - dont buy a nissan

I always thought nissan's to be quite the reliable car...
Just seems the almera is marred by a few common faults like every other car although these are quite "costly" ones :-/

jimmyw · 29-10-2009 11:27am

Did you get her going then?

eyesofvenus · 29-10-2009 11:30am

jimmyw wrote: »

Did you get her going then?

No not yet, going to go and get some of that easy start today and give it a whirl. Will let you know outcome.

BTW would anyone be able to tell me the location of the cam sensor?

jimmyw · 29-10-2009 11:37am

Don't keep using that stuff for too long, its only for a test.Problem is while she is not running you wont be able to know if there are any codes set. If not the garages might not be able find any code. Have'nt a clue where that sensor is, but it should be somewhere not too far away from the valve cover I guess

no1beemerfan · 29-10-2009 12:02pm

Helen G wrote: »

Morale of story - dont buy a nissan

I've a 12 year old nissan micra....had it since it was 18months old. Only ever have serviced it, changed brake fluid, coolant and tyres. Nothing else and she is still 110%. Has never let me down.

@eyesofvenus I don't know where the sensor is but from working on other cars they can be hard to get at. Mabey a google search might help?!

Cionád · 29-10-2009 12:07pm

no1beemerfan wrote: »

I've a 12 year old nissan micra....had it since it was 18months old. Only ever have serviced it, changed brake fluid, coolant and tyres. Nothing else and she is still 110%. Has never let me down.

I've a 11 yr old Almera, 172k miles, had it 5 years now, nothing changed but oil, filters, tyres & coolant. Still getting 46-50MPG :-)

I think the newer models are far less reliable though.

eyesofvenus · 29-10-2009 9:12pm

Ok took this video today at 1:15pm exactly 52 minutes after orinally getting into the car. If you seen original video you will have seen how car just keeps cutting out on ignition. Well after 52 minutes this video is the result!

Couldn't get a hold of some 'easy start' today so havent been able to check if the fuel system is the problem. Considering engine management light is still on after a full service im starting to now worry this may be the timing chain...

Video ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc18EAVAwXM

Any ideas on wtf is up with the car are welcome, thanks

Paul

*edit* notice near end of video im actually putting foot fully down on accelerator and it struggles to go past 2000rpm

jimmyw · 29-10-2009 10:14pm

Did she just start on her own without doing anything? She was just going up and down by itself?? A least the managment light is staying on, so that should set a code. Could be anything, like blocked fuel filter, dirty idle control. Problem I suppose is that you cant bring her to a garage in that condition.mmmmmm.:eek:

P.S she would hardly run if the chain was gone, )I think!)

JHMEG · 29-10-2009 11:11pm

The recall was over quite a serious problem that could end up with the car unable to start (like your's).

Phone Nissan with the chassis number and ask was the recall work done. Worst case scenario you're looking at a new timing chain, cam seals, CKP sensor etc.

My wife's Almera was affected, and even though it was outside the warranty period Nissan covered parts and labour.

congo_90 · 29-10-2009 11:17pm

Sounds like the engine is starving itself of fuel. Turn the key to mar (warning lights) and check that the fuel pump can be clearly heard from behind you. Should be a humming noise for ~3seconds then it stops. That rules out fuel pump. It could be as others have said a cam sensor in the wrong position because it also sounds like poor compression.

Good luck

Row · 29-10-2009 11:34pm

I'm only guessing here but i'd say its only running on two cylinders...

I see your mil light is on..:rolleyes:...Get your hands on a code reader and see what fault code(s) are logged...:)
If you give an idea of your location maybe someone here with a code reader can help out....:)
Ron.

jimmyw · 30-10-2009 12:19am

JHMEG wrote: »

The recall was over quite a serious problem that could end up with the car unable to start (like your's).

Phone Nissan with the chassis number and ask was the recall work done. Worst case scenario you're looking at a new timing chain, cam seals, CKP sensor etc.

My wife's Almera was affected, and even though it was outside the warranty period Nissan covered parts and labour.

Would she still run if the chain was broke?!!

cascade35 · 30-10-2009 6:46am

Hi there,
Does your insurance have free roadside assistance? A lot of policys have, You may be able to have it checked out free of charge.

jimmyw · 30-10-2009 8:19pm

eyesofvenus wrote: »

Ok getting a bit peeved off with this car now...
Car won't turn over, instead i'll get a rur-rur-rur sound and then it dies.
Thought it might be bad spark plugs so changed them along with air/oil filter and new oil, still the same.

It seems like a bad starter motor or fuel injector but i really havent a clue, dont even have the tools to check these.

Whats even stranger is if i continuosly try to turn it over for say 45 mins or so it will eventually start(at this point temp needle has risen)

Car is 03 with 67k on the clock

Also here is a vid I uploaded of thr car trying to turn over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZpezpYaOF8

Any help appreciated, tnx

Paul

Did you get your motor working? or find out what the problem was?
Found these but dont know if they are relevant to you.

http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/recalls/recalls.jsp?modelID=C7&modelName=Almera&makeName=Nissan&makeId=D0

http://www.ilexa.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5867.0.html

eyesofvenus · 30-10-2009 10:13pm

jimmyw wrote: »

Did you get your motor working? or find out what the problem was?
Found these but dont know if they are relevant to you.

http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/recalls/recalls.jsp?modelID=C7&modelName=Almera&makeName=Nissan&makeId=D0

http://www.ilexa.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5867.0.html

From what ive read on the ilexa forums people with exact same problems as me turned out to have streched timing chains...not looking good for my car so...67k miles jebus! :mad:

jimmyw · 30-10-2009 10:40pm

Jesus I hope thats not the case, thought nissans were suppose to be bulletproof. Are you going to get it confirmed?

eyesofvenus · 30-10-2009 11:22pm

jimmyw wrote: »

Jesus I hope thats not the case, thought nissans were suppose to be bulletproof. Are you going to get it confirmed?

I thought that too hence why i bought one but it seems mine is more of a renault than a nissan...

The jumpy idling is a common occurence when the chain is streched as you can see in second video. Alsonot sure if its causing car not to start, but sure that could be something completely different too...

As far as i can see this is not covered by nissan and after 67k miles its just utterly appauling...jesus a timing belt would last that length and would be changed for a fraction of the cost.

So yeah il get codes read, but if it comes up Random misfires then it timing chain.

Anyone know how much cost of the fix on this is? Cant see me paying €700+ to get this done on a car worth ~4k and then for this to maybe happen again soon...

Row · 30-10-2009 11:26pm

Its all guesswork without getting some fault codes...Do you know anyone with a code reader..????
Ron.

eyesofvenus · 30-10-2009 11:32pm

Row wrote: »

Its all guesswork without getting some fault codes...Do you know anyone with a code reader..????
Ron.

Well the jumpy idling seems like misfiring but i only got full service done so that rules out sparks and the likes...

And if i google 'almera jumpy idle' i get a lot of timing chain results.

Il just have to bring it to nissan dealer to get it read i suppose

Row · 31-10-2009 12:00am

eyesofvenus wrote: »

Well the jumpy idling seems like misfiring but i only got full service done so that rules out sparks and the likes...(

hmm...Maybe check the plug leads....if your just after having a service
done..:)
If you keep spraying in easystart it may cause more problems....:eek:
If your anyway near Galway i've got a hand held code reader that will work on your car...put it this way a plugin from nissan would buy you a good code
reader from ebay...:rolleyes:
Do you use the main dealer or a local mechanic for services....??
Ron.

eyesofvenus · 31-10-2009 12:08am

Row wrote: »

hmm...Maybe check the plug leads....if your just after having a service
done..:)
If you keep spraying in easystart it may cause more problems....:eek:
If your anyway near Galway i've got a hand held code reader that will work on your car...put it this way a plugin from nissan would buy you a good code
reader from ebay...:rolleyes:
Do you use the main dealer or a local mechanic for services....??
Ron.

Plug leads are in proper order. And wires are all ok.
Usually use local mechanic for service cause i dont agree with any price nissan put on anything.
Thanks for offer but located in south carlow at the moment!!

Oh and havent used easy start at all, car starts by itself after about 45 mins or so of cranking.
Turn key, revs up to 1k or so then dies, this for about 35 mins then gets progressively better and when temp needle starts to rise until i eventually get that jumpy idling. I let it idle jumpy for about 2 mins, then turn off all electrics for another 2 mins and then when i turn back on it idles fine and car goes

Row · 31-10-2009 12:16am

I thought i read that you were spraying in easystart...:eek:...:o:o

Has your local garage got a code reader...??.. i guess he should have...

How long ago since you serviced the car...??

eyesofvenus · 31-10-2009 12:21am

Row wrote: »

I thought i read that you were spraying in easystart...:eek:...:o:o

Has your local garage got a code reader...??.. i guess he should have...
How long ago since you serviced the car...??

Yeah i was going to but didn't manage to get a hold of some.

I think he has a code reader but im not sure he'll be able to interpret every code that gets thrown up! especially the 'random misfire' one.
Car was only serviced 250km ago, but problem was there before the service

Row · 31-10-2009 12:29am

O.k.....it was there before the service....:rolleyes:...what did the mechanic
say after he serviced it.....if you keep running it like that the cat may block up and you'll be out alot of euros...:eek:
Hope you get it sorted...;)
Ron.

eyesofvenus · 31-10-2009 12:33am

Row wrote: »

O.k.....it was there before the service....:rolleyes:...what did the mechanic
say after he serviced it.....if you keep running it like that the cat may block up and you'll be out alot of euros...:eek:
Hope you get it sorted...;)
Ron.

Said it could be one of the sensors but i didnt have time/money to get anything more done with it. The cat? you mean catalytic convertor?
Sure if it's timing chain i'll be out of a lot of euro's regardless!!:eek:
Thanks for help and concern mate

Row · 31-10-2009 12:43am

eyesofvenus wrote: »

Said it could be one of the sensors but i didnt have time/money to get anything more done with it. The cat? you mean catalytic convertor?
Sure if it's timing chain i'll be out of a lot of euro's regardless!!:eek:
Thanks for help and concern mate

No problem...Don't like to see anyone stuck...Let us know how you get
on and I hope its a simple fix....:
Ron.

Fishtits · 31-10-2009 12:45am

eyesofvenus wrote: »

Ok getting a bit peeved off with this car now...
Car won't turn over, instead i'll get a rur-rur-rur sound and then it dies.
Thought it might be bad spark plugs so changed them along with air/oil filter and new oil, still the same.

It seems like a bad starter motor or fuel injector but i really havent a clue, dont even have the tools to check these.

Whats even stranger is if i continuosly try to turn it over for say 45 mins or so it will eventually start(at this point temp needle has risen)

Car is 03 with 67k on the clock

Also here is a vid I uploaded of thr car trying to turn over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZpezpYaOF8

Any help appreciated, tnx

Paul

Common problem with Almera starters. get yer str sorted.

JHMEG · 31-10-2009 1:07am

Did you phone Nissan yet with the chassis number to see if there is any outstanding recall work yet to be done?

eyesofvenus · 31-10-2009 1:14am

JHMEG wrote: »

Did you phone Nissan yet with the chassis number to see if there is any outstanding recall work yet to be done?

Havent had a chance but me thinks none has been done considering i bought this car when it had 33k on clock

jimmyw · 31-10-2009 12:03pm

eyesofvenus wrote: »

I thought that too hence why i bought one but it seems mine is more of a renault than a nissan...

The jumpy idling is a common occurence when the chain is streched as you can see in second video. Alsonot sure if its causing car not to start, but sure that could be something completely different too...

As far as i can see this is not covered by nissan and after 67k miles its just utterly appauling...jesus a timing belt would last that length and would be changed for a fraction of the cost.

So yeah il get codes read, but if it comes up Random misfires then it timing chain.

Anyone know how much cost of the fix on this is? Cant see me paying €700+ to get this done on a car worth ~4k and then for this to maybe happen again soon...

Oh so she is not a real Nissan then;), just a badge engineered one. Well that would explain it then. So she actually is" starting" so to speak.How would the chain affect the idling problem?It must not be bad enough to cause contact between the valves and pistons! I used to think that chains were better than belts, but not so sure now. I have a Saab that has a chain and it was rattling and it is a bit annoying that if it was a belt it could be changed and problem solved even though a belt would not be rattling. I hope you get it sorted

Almera wont start

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