The new drink/drive limit, your thoughts

nosey nelly · 29-10-2009 06:52PM #1

Can't believe there is so much resistance to the proposed drink/drive limits. Will rural culture disappear if people can only have one pint instead of two (or whatever it is for the legal limit)?

Of all the sh!te that is happening in the country I can't believe that trying to stop people drink and drive is the one that the TDs get most upset about?

admiralofthefleet · 29-10-2009 06:52PM

all out prohibition, its the only solution

minidazzler · 29-10-2009 06:53PM

1 pint of stout will bring the average person to just below the legal limit now anyway.

If Rural Culture involves drink driving, then who care's if it disappears?

orourkeda · 29-10-2009 06:54PM

ZERO.

Simple

Sulmac · 29-10-2009 06:54PM

It should be zero.

TheZohanS · 29-10-2009 06:58PM

I think it should be dropped to 50mg or even lower, but not zero.

The only reason it shouldn't be dropped to zero is because of the chances of having a few mgs of alcohol in your blood the following morning.

minidazzler · 29-10-2009 07:01PM

TheZohan wrote: »

I think it should be dropped to 50mg or even lower, but not zero.

The only reason it shouldn't be dropped to zero is because of the chances of having a few mgs of alcohol in your blood the following morning.

Is it not currently at 35 mg???

admiralofthefleet · 29-10-2009 07:02PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Is it not currently at 35 mg???

no its 80mg at the moment

AnonoBoy · 29-10-2009 07:03PM

I fail to feel sorry for anyone who thinks they have a right to drink and drive.

As for 'a drink making you a better driver' as one of our brilliant politicians put it well you know what? F*ck right off you backwards ar*ehole. F*ck right off back to whatever backwater you came from.

minidazzler · 29-10-2009 07:07PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

no its 80mg at the moment

Oh, I thought it came down 2 years ago, guess i was wrong.

Thanks Admiral *Salutes, About face, marches off*

indenial · 29-10-2009 07:12PM

I think 80mg/ml is fine as it is. I can say drinking 1 pint and driving has never impaired my driving.

Mike 1972 · 29-10-2009 07:21PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Is it not currently at 35 mg???

The 35 figure is for breath samples 80 if for blood.

A zero limit would mean nobody could drive since there is a small amount of naturally occuring alcohol in your body even if youve never had a drink in your life. 20mg is about the lowest practicable limit which can be set

Overheal · 29-10-2009 07:24PM

The vast majority of the rest of the world (US included) gets by just fine with the 50mg limit.

That doesnt stop road fatalities. Enforcement is probably a larger factor. It does help though. Its the difference between have to let someone drive away who has 79mg in him versus jailing him, when in most other countries he would be regarded a danger to the road.

artanevilla · 29-10-2009 07:41PM

Can the O.P make a poll with the options:

I'm for the measure, I drive, but don't drink.
I'm for the measure, I drive, and I drink.
I'm for the measure, I don't drive, but I drink.
I'm for the measure, but I neither drive nor drink.

and the same for against.

Pygmalion · 29-10-2009 07:53PM

Should be as low as practical to be honest.

Thing is it can't be "0" or fairly close as certain foods and drinks will contain a tiny amount of alcohol anyway(I've gotten some cola drink from a health shop before with "Only 0.5% alcohol" or whatever, and I believe a lot of "non-alcoholic" beers contain about this amount, as well as food which use it for flavouring), and some IIRC occur naturally in the body.

nosey nelly · 29-10-2009 08:34PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

A zero limit would mean nobody could drive since there is a small amount of naturally occuring alcohol in your body even if youve never had a drink in your life. 20mg is about the lowest practicable limit which can be set

Interesting.

29-10-2009 08:42PM

yeah i agree with no drink driving and all this but i can honestly say the drink driving causing the deaths on roads arent people after 2 pints. be realistic if you had 2 pints would you be so drunk or tipsey that you couldnt drive.
doesnt bother me, if i had 1 bottle of beer i wouldnt even get behind the wheel but i can see other peoples arguments

ilovelamp2000 · 29-10-2009 08:48PM

How many people were killed by people with a reading of between 50mg and 80mg ?

G_R · 29-10-2009 08:51PM

should be 50. i dont bye the whole "itll kill off rural ireland thing". If rural Ireland has come down to having 1 pint in the local pub then driving home then good ridance tbh. Get a taxi ffs

My name is URL · 29-10-2009 08:54PM

orourkeda wrote: »

ZERO.

Simple

It's not that simple, it'd mean a hell of alot of people are arrested.. even the day after having a drink you can be above 0Mg, even longer in some cases if you take certain medications

crossmolinalad · 30-10-2009 11:04AM

dannym08 wrote: »

should be 50. i dont bye the whole "itll kill off rural ireland thing". If rural Ireland has come down to having 1 pint in the local pub then driving home then good ridance tbh. Get a taxi ffs

i live rural
the nearest pub is to far to walk
to get a taxi on friday saturday evenings/nights is in rural almost impossible
they dont want to go for a drive of 3/4 hour to pick u up from a rural pub , bring u home (a 15 mins drive) and going back another 3/4 hour for just 12 euro
they get more if they stay local

so it means what u say: the rural pub have to close down and we have to stay home
thats whats gonna happen

phasers · 30-10-2009 11:06AM

If you're drinking, don't drive.

Simple.

eviltwin · 30-10-2009 11:11AM

crossmolinalad wrote: »

i live rural
the nearest pub is to far to walk
to get a taxi on friday saturday evenings/nights is in rural almost impossible
they dont want to go for a drive of 3/4 hour to pick u up from a rural pub , bring u home (a 15 mins drive) and going back another 3/4 hour for just 12 euro
they get more if they stay local

so it means what u say: the rural pub have to close down and we have to stay home
thats whats gonna happen

Tough.

I live in dublin but I often drive to the pub. I'm not in an area serviced by late night buses and the cost of a taxi would be more than my night out so most of the time I drive in.

I can quite happily sit in a pub and not drink. I don't go to pubs for the booze, I go to see my mates, soak up the atmosphere etc

If I want to drink I'll stay at home and do it there

Drink driving is disgusting. My dad was hit by a drunk driver one morning on his way to work. The guy driving the car had been out the night before and thought he was okay. My dad survived but ended up losing the use of his left leg which meant losing his job and the knock on effects to our family were devestating

I'd like to see zero tolerance and a zero limit.

A person's right to have a drink should never be more important than a person's right to live

amacachi · 30-10-2009 11:18AM

Just a hypothetical here. You own a rural pub with maybe 20 regulars on a Friday night. Each one of them is only having a single drink then driving home. Total into the till of around 90 quid.
Now IF this were the case I would hire a minibus for a couple of hundred euro and let them get ****faced and still go home. An extra 3-4 drinks per person will cover the cost.
One possible reason why no pub owners are doing this could be because the customers are already having more than one-two drinks each night.

Are we really meant to believe that they're worried about only being able to have 1 pint instead of 2?

stovelid · 30-10-2009 11:27AM

amacachi wrote: »

JNow IF this were the case I would hire a minibus for a couple of hundred euro and let them get ****faced and still go home. An extra 3-4 drinks per person will cover the cost.

I've always thought this too. Publicans should be more proactive.

To be honest, some of my in-laws (and their friends) are from rural communities and I'm actually sympathetic to the plight of people (especially the elderly) who want a few pints but live in an isolated community.

It's easy to lecture when you live in a city or town.

Like you say, surely the pubs could purchase a mini-bus - perhaps even with the help of a grant - and any punter that uses it throws the driver a fiver. It would be a nice earner for somebody for a few hours work each weekend night, and the pubs would definitely see increased trade.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-10-2009 11:30AM

IMO its grand as it is.

In fact, I much preferred it when it was 100mg - then I didn't feel like a criminal if I took the car out the next day.

Yup, I'd like to see it brought back up to the 100mg.

phasers · 30-10-2009 11:31AM

Serious question: Can wine gums or sherry trifle or foods cooked in wine and stuff make you have a bit of alcohol in the blood? That would be my only reason to oppose a limit of zero.

I just love wine gums so damn much

Terry · 30-10-2009 11:35AM

phasers wrote: »

Serious question: Can wine gums or sherry trifle or foods cooked in wine and stuff make you have a bit of alcohol in the blood? That would be my only reason to oppose a limit of zero.

I just love wine gums so damn much

Then wind your...

Nah.

brummytom · 30-10-2009 11:35AM

phasers wrote: »

Serious question: Can wine gums or sherry trifle or foods cooked in wine and stuff make you have a bit of alcohol in the blood? That would be my only reason to oppose a limit of zero.

I just love wine gums so damn much

Nope, there's no wine at all in wine gums apparently. The name comes from the experience of eating wine gums being like 'savouring a fine wine'.

Personally, I'd take the gums over a shitty glass of wine any day

eviltwin · 30-10-2009 11:35AM

phasers wrote: »

Serious question: Can wine gums or sherry trifle or foods cooked in wine and stuff make you have a bit of alcohol in the blood? That would be my only reason to oppose a limit of zero.

I just love wine gums so damn much

Dont think so

Saw an experiment where a guy ate a lot of those chocolate liqueur things and it had no impact on his alcohol levels at all

df1985 · 30-10-2009 12:58PM

i dont think going from 80mg to 50mg will make much difference.you will always have a group that will drink-drive regardless of the limit.do you really think them aul fellas in the back arse of kerry are having their 1 pint as it is and then driving home.how many of us go to the pub for one pint? theyre having their 4/5 pints anyways, they couldnt give a ****e about the limit.

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