Barmen charged of killing Man with Booze

drunkmonkey · 29-10-2009 03:54PM #1

Linky

What next will we be able to sue for hangovers?

Feel sorry for the 2 chaps involved and the poor chap that's not around, seem like a tragic accident...
What do you think, are the barmen responsible, is the victim?

minidazzler · 29-10-2009 03:57PM

TBH, it's not exactly the worst way to die like.

Still feel bad for the Poor fellow's family!

AnonoBoy · 29-10-2009 03:57PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What do you think, are the barmen responsible, is the victim?

I dunno. I'd probably need the facts to determine whose fault it was.

wudangclan · 29-10-2009 03:58PM

a bit hard to say without knowing the details.
has this happened before?

AnonoBoy · 29-10-2009 03:58PM

wudangclan wrote: »

a bit hard to say without knowing the details.
has this happened before?

It happened to Hendrix I think.

wudangclan · 29-10-2009 04:00PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

It happened to Hendrix I think.

he was murdered by his manager says the latest book on the subject.

Turd Ferguson · 29-10-2009 04:00PM

Did the barmen hold down the guy and pour it down his throat? He was an adult and it was his own fault in my opinion.

AnonoBoy · 29-10-2009 04:01PM

wudangclan wrote: »

he was murdered by his manager says the latest book on the subject.

Maybe the two cases are related then....:eek:

WindSock · 29-10-2009 04:01PM

Well it was the chaps birthday, surely he wasn't buying his own drinks. Unless he was me

drunkmonkey · 29-10-2009 04:02PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I dunno. I'd probably need the facts to determine whose fault it was.

I don't know the exact facts but it seems pretty straight forward, man drinks 2 much booze and dies, barmen guilty of giving him booze now charged with killing him...

whiskeyman · 29-10-2009 04:02PM

Could be facing a breathalyzer before going to the bar in the future...

EL_Loco · 29-10-2009 04:03PM

I've never seen a visibly drunk person being refused a drink in Ireland. I've seen it abroad though.

that said, he was the birthday boy, and you're not going to stop serving him seeing as he's drawn the crowd.

Keogg · 29-10-2009 04:05PM

Woah woah woah, hang on here a minute, thats ridiculous!!

Its so not the barmens fault that someone cant handle their drink, surely if it was the mans birthday, he'd have had friends with him, would they not have been more responsible for making sure he wasnt going to o.d on drink then the barman?
It couldnt possibly be the barmens fault unless they phsyically forced drink into his lungs and he died!

This really feels like it should be an 'only in america' moment... but TIPPERARY?!

jumpguy · 29-10-2009 04:06PM

The barman can not be blamed. The victim choked on his own vomit. He shouldn't have drank that much, it's not like he collapsed at the bar, he went up to bed and choked on his own vomit. How can they be blamed for that?

CountingCrows · 29-10-2009 04:08PM

FFS, he was English. Free the Thurles two!

WindSock · 29-10-2009 04:09PM

Well in fairness it would have been a bit irresponsable to have served him if he were mouldy drunk.

AnonoBoy · 29-10-2009 04:09PM

CountingCrows wrote: »

FFS, he was English. Free the Thurles two!

Damn you and your ninja edits.

minidazzler · 29-10-2009 04:11PM

Keogg wrote: »

Woah woah woah, hang on here a minute, thats ridiculous!!

Its so not the barmens fault that someone cant handle their drink, surely if it was the mans birthday, he'd have had friends with him, would they not have been more responsible for making sure he wasnt going to o.d on drink then the barman?
It couldnt possibly be the barmens fault unless they phsyically forced drink into his lungs and he died!

This really feels like it should be an 'only in america' moment... but TIPPERARY?!

No, The barman is Sober, his friends are not. He has the right to refuse service based on someone being too drunk. He didn't.

Have you ever seen a drunk person and just thought "he should not be allowed drink More".

Barmen see this all the time, they should know better.

In reality though it's all down to the man falling asleep in a bad position.

Loopy · 29-10-2009 04:13PM

I think its absolute madness for them to be charged.
We are responsible for ourselves, no-one forced him..

NothingMan · 29-10-2009 04:14PM

If they get prosecuted what are we going to do? Sign a waiver when you start drinking in a bar? Arresting an off license worker for selling me a litre of vodka after I decide to drink it all in 20 minutes?

People are responsible for their own health in these situations.

CountingCrows · 29-10-2009 04:15PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Damn you and your ninja edits.

daveyboy_1ie · 29-10-2009 04:17PM

EL_Loco wrote: »

I've never seen a visibly drunk person being refused a drink in Ireland. I've seen it abroad though.

Should never be the barmans responsibility to decide what you may or may not have. People refuse to take responsibility for these things and shirk the blame. Poor guys doing their job and somehow they are implicated??? That just does not make sense to me. if he had of gotten into car and killed himself or others would they still be charged?

Feel sorry for him of course, but people looking to blame others should not look at some poor guys doing their job and destroying their lives too.

CountingCrows · 29-10-2009 04:17PM

The men appeared in court to face the manslaughter charges following a mammoth and complex 16-month investigation led by Supt Tony Cogan of Thurles garda station.

16 months to interview a dozen or so witnesses! :eek:

Mossy Monk · 29-10-2009 04:19PM

EL_Loco wrote: »

I've never seen a visibly drunk person being refused a drink in Ireland. I've seen it abroad though.

A good point. I think it's mad really that they don't.

MagicMarker · 29-10-2009 04:23PM

Posting links should be against the charter!

Can someone please paste the information for those of us who don't have access to the link?

Thanks.

CountingCrows · 29-10-2009 04:25PM

Might have been the minibar in his room that put him over the edge, maybe they should charge whoever stocked that :rolleyes:

Loopy · 29-10-2009 04:26PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Posting links should be against the charter!

Can someone please paste the information for those of us who don't have access to the link?

Thanks.

TWO barmen working in one of the country's most famous hotels have been charged with the unlawful killing of an Englishman who died from acute alcohol intoxication on the night of his birthday.

The criminal case, the first one of "liquor liability" in Ireland, has been brought against two staff at the landmark Hayes Hotel in Thurles, Co Tipperary, following a lengthy investigation by gardai.

Earlier this week, bar manager Gary Wright (32) and barman Aidan Dalton (27) appeared in Thurles District Court.

They were both charged with the manslaughter of Graham Parish contrary to common law at the hotel on July 1, 2008.

It is understood the young man choked to death on his own vomit following a night's socialising at the hotel.

Both men, who gave addresses at Kilfithmone, Borrisleigh, Co Tipperary, were charged with the unlawful killing of the English national on formal directions of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

The men appeared in court to face the manslaughter charges following a mammoth and complex 16-month investigation led by Supt Tony Cogan of Thurles garda station.

Graham Parish, of 41 Calder Terrace, Lomeshaye village near Nelson, Lancashire, England, was a resident in Hayes Hotel on the night of June 30/July 1 2008.

The deceased had celebrated his 26th birthday on June 30 and his death came about as a result of acute alcohol intoxication.

Bail

Judge Tom O'Donnell granted both defendants bail and ordered them to appear before the same court again next month for service of the book of evidence.

Hayes Hotel is located in Liberty Square in Thurles and is a popular haunt of GAA supporters.

The GAA was founded in the hotel on November 1, 1884, when it was known as the Commercial Hotel. The case is set to revive debate over the responsibility owed to the public by bartenders, bar owners and "social hosts".

A spokesman for Hayes Hotel said he could not comment on the issue last night.

"We are not in a position to comment as the matter is sub-judice, except to say that we have co-operated fully with gardai on this tragic matter throughout their investigation.

"However, our thoughts at this time are first and foremost with the family and friends of the deceased, Mr Graham Parish."

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Keogg · 29-10-2009 04:27PM

minidazzler wrote: »

No, The barman is Sober, his friends are not. He has the right to refuse service based on someone being too drunk. He didn't.

Have you ever seen a drunk person and just thought "he should not be allowed drink More".

Barmen see this all the time, they should know better.

In reality though it's all down to the man falling asleep in a bad position.

I see your point but there is still a lot of information left out in that article, I mean, one would assume that he must have been falling about the place drunk, but he might not have been, he could've just looked fairly drunk, or maybe not drunk enough to warrant being refused drink, and his friends could easily have been buying him extra drink for his birthday all night. There's a lot of factors to consider here, although i did jump to the barmens defense kinda quickly:pac:
But even your last line proves the point: it cant of been the barmens fault for him actually dying, surely they must have seen people be more drunk and come in fine the next day.
It was a very tragic accident, TBH, and i feel real bad for the dead man and his family, but its just crazy to blame the barmen

rizzee · 29-10-2009 04:27PM

Birthday Boys fault end of. Well, his mates too for letting him get that pissed. What a bunch o twats

ShooterSF · 29-10-2009 04:29PM

EL_Loco wrote: »

I've never seen a visibly drunk person being refused a drink in Ireland. I've seen it abroad though.

that said, he was the birthday boy, and you're not going to stop serving him seeing as he's drawn the crowd.

If it helps I refused a fella just last Sunday who fell in the door of the pub. He's not the first I refused either in my days. It's not something one does lightly though as often you are embarrassing a regular in front of other regulars they know quite well but it is done.

NothingMan · 29-10-2009 04:33PM

Mossy Monk wrote: »

A good point. I think it's mad really that they don't.

But us Irish can go out, have 20 pints and drive home and satisfy our wives and mistresses. No need to regulate our drinking.

Barmen charged of killing Man with Booze

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