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Stephen Gately has died! ----(mod warning post #6)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Threads merged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Nico22 wrote: »

    Even if Stephen & Andrew did bring Dochev back to smoke crack and go trough every single position from the Karma Sutra -

    Not possible....... you need a fanny to perform reverse cowgirl.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    mikom wrote: »
    Not possible....... you need a fanny to perform reverse cowgirl.

    Au contraire. Loads of times I've.....

    .....eh nevermind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    I haven't been following this but was the funeral in a catholic church?
    The same church that says he will burn in hell for pursuing gay relationships.
    Seems like a weird decision to me. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    tuxy wrote: »
    Seems like a weird decision to me. :confused:

    I'm sure his parents don't give two f*cks about that. They wanted to give their son a respectful service and they did.

    Nothing odd about it really.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    So a service not in a church would be disrespectful?
    If his parents are Catholics then they believe their son is in hell. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,939 ✭✭✭LEIN


    RIP Stephen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭SarahBM


    tuxy wrote: »
    So a service not in a church would be disrespectful?
    If his parents are Catholics then they believe their son is in hell. :(

    Thats a bit black and white! Just because they are catholic doesnt mean they think their son is in hell. A lot of catholic people are gay and dont think that they will go to hell.
    I hope that when I die the memorial service isnt in a churh. I dont believe in organised religion. I think people's lives can be celebrated with out a churh service. but I think Stephen Gately would have liked the service. it was musical and funny and what better way to celebrate his life!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    tuxy wrote: »
    So a service not in a church would be disrespectful?
    If his parents are Catholics then they believe their son is in hell. :(

    I'd say it's more to do with tradition really.

    The vast majority of Irish people are buried after a church service and since Stephen was so young I very much doubt he'd made a will or left explicit instructions about how he wanted to be buried.

    Gay relatives of mine who knew they were dying never seemed bothered by having a funeral in a Catholic Church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭shotgun mike


    Christ isn't there a a forum that caters for people who think anything celebrity related tripe is THE MOST IMPORTANT NEWS IN THE WORLD???!!!!111eleven.

    **** sake, who the **** are Boyzone anymore anyway....

    I'll second that motion. is this not the thread where people make up crappy jokes about his passing?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    I'll second that motion. is this not the thread where people make up crappy jokes about his passing?

    No, it's not.
    Which is why there is more than one Mod warning in the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭SarahBM


    Please dont make jokes about Stephen. He was a genuinely nice person, I dont think he deserves that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    is this not the thread where people make up crappy jokes about his passing?

    May I suggest the following place ..

    "where people make up crappy jokes"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    The Wright Stuff discuss ..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭jenny2hat


    Steven was my godmother's nephew :(
    RIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,598 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Is Jan Moir the alias of Mary Ellen Synon?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Aidric wrote: »
    Is Jan Moir the alias of Mary Ellen Synon?

    Twenty one thousand complaints about her article in the Mail, I wonder what will come of that.

    And still no apology to his family.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Twenty one thousand complaints about her article in the Mail, I wonder what will come of that.
    And still no apology to his family.

    Fry responds to past week ..
    Fry defends Twitter but fears his ‘tribune’ status


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    While liberal spirits dominate the site, all is well. What happens when the enemy join in?


    By Harry Underwood

    After a week in which Stephen Fry's Twitter posts about Trafigura and Jan Moir have both put him firmly in the public spotlight, the comedian, actor and quiz show host has written at length about his relationship with the popular micro-blogging site.

    Fry was the most high-profile of a number of commentators who revealed that it was Trafigura who had slapped an injunction on the Guardian, banning the paper from mentioning a Parliamentary question about the company's alleged involvement in toxic trading. Then he responded to Jan Moir's mean-spirited article in the Daily Mail on Friday about the death of Stephen Gately with a strongly-worded attack, calling her "a repulsive nobody writing in a paper no one of any decency would be seen dead with".

    But the incredible popular response to his pieces - more than 21,000 complained to the Press Complaints Commission as a result of his tweet about Moir - has led to criticism that he is a champion of press freedom only when it suits him. In response, Fry has written a six-page blog post titled 'Poles, Politeness and Politics in the age of Twitter'.

    Fry begins by declaring his regret that Moir has been attacked by quite so many people, and suggests she will now be able to write "the inevitable Vulnerable Frightened Piece in which she tells the world just how tyrannised, terrorised and victimised she felt". But he goes on to discuss the wider implications of Twitter, and criticises journalists for lazily crediting him with being "a kind of a Citizen Smith of the Twitting Popular Front".

    He says he was not cut out for the hurly-burly of adversarial politics: "This whole thing has just grown up around me and now I cannot help wondering if, despite my preference for turd-sucking over politics, I have found myself in a new Fifth Estate political assembly, willy-nilly hailed as some sort of tribune by friendly people on one side and being yelled at by unfriendly people on the other."

    Fry, who had 868,689 followers at the time of writing, insists that his joining Twitter "was not part of a clever commercial plan to 'build my brand' (whatever the arse that means) nor to sell tickets, books and DVDs nor to ready myself for government, nor to disseminate a point of view nor to raise my profile in the media."

    About how the site has attracted so many people so quickly, Fry says: "'Political consultants' who had never heard of the service six months ago will be hiring themselves out as experts who can create a 'powerful, influential and profitable Twitter brand'. And the moronic and gullible clients will line up for this new nostrum like prairie settlers queuing for snake oil and salvation."

    He also discusses the relationship between Twitter and traditional media. "The press dreads Twitter for all kinds of reasons," he writes. "Celebrities (whose doings sell even broadsheet newspapers these days) can cut them out of the loop and speak direct to their fans which is, of course, most humiliating and undermining. But also perhaps the deadwood press loathes Twitter because it is like looking in a time mirror. Twitter is to the public arena what the press itself was 250 years ago - a new and potent force in democracy, a thorn in the side of the established order of things."

    And the future? "Twitter may seem to some to be dominated by bien pensant, liberal spirits at the moment. Will I be so optimistic about it when these spirits are matched by forces of religiosity and nationalism that might not accord with my chattering-class, liberal elite preferences? ... What will I say then?"

    WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING
    Charlie Brooker of the Guardian on Twitter: "Agree with [Stephen Fry] - I also empathize with Moir: often shot my gob off then regretted it. In 2004 I wrote a dumb (and not even original) Bush joke and ended up getting shouted at by what felt like half of the USA so I know, it can FEEL like you're on the end of an 'orchestrated campaign', even when you aren't really."

    Damian Thompson, the Daily Telegraph: "Moir's reputation is in tatters this evening. But, my God, the social media world harbours some pretty smug and self-righteous individuals. The words 'I'm sorry, but you're not allowed to say that!' are never far from their lips – or, to put it another way, only liberals are allowed to be offensive."

    Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, the Independent: "The ship flying the flag for free speech is often unsteady, sometimes leaky, as it sails capricious, tempestuous seas. Sometimes even the captains jump off and struggle to keep faith with its mission. Like the supremely erudite Stephen Fry who has always, to my knowledge, been an uncompromising champion of free expression, keeping watch on deck whatever the provocations." darkerbullet.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭phelixoflaherty




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Jan Moir responds ..
    The truth about my views on the tragic death of Stephen Gately

    By Jan Moir



    Last week, I wrote in this column about the death of Boyzone star Stephen Gately.


    To my horror, it has been widely condemned as 'homophobic' and 'hateful'. Obviously, a great deal of offence has been taken and I regret any affront caused. This was never my intention.


    To be the focus of such depth of feeling has been an interesting experience, but I do not complain. After all, I am not - unlike those close to Stephen Gately - mourning for the loss of a much-loved partner, son, family member and close friend.


    To them, I would like to say sorry if I have caused distress by the insensitive timing of the column, published so close to the funeral.

    The point of my article was to suggest that, in my honest opinion, Stephen Gately's death raised many unanswered questions. What had really gone on?


    After all, Stephen was a role model for the young and if drugs were somehow involved in his death, as news reports suggested, should that not be a matter of public interest?


    We were told that Stephen died of 'natural causes' even before toxicology results had been released. This struck me as bizarre, given the circumstances.


    Absolutely none of this had anything to do with his sexuality. If he had been a heterosexual member of a boy band, I would have written exactly the same article.


    Yet despite this, many have interpreted my words as a 'bigoted rant' and suggested that my motive was to insinuate that Stephen died 'because he was gay'.


    Anyone who knows me will vouch that I have never held such poisonous views.


    It is worth stressing that the version of events I recounted in my column had already been in the public domain, having been described in detail in several newspapers.


    What had been reported about that night is that Stephen and his civil partner Andrew Cowles went to a nightclub and brought back a Bulgarian man to their apartment.


    There were also reports of drug-taking. Following this, it was reported that Cowles went to the bedroom with the Bulgarian, while Stephen remained on the sofa. I have never thought, or suggested, that what happened that night represented a so-called gay lifestyle; this is not how most gay people live.



    Rather, I thought it a louche lifestyle; one that raised questions about health and personal safety.


    There have been complaints about my use of the word 'sleazy' to describe this incident, but I still maintain that to die on a sofa while your partner is sleeping with someone else in the next room is, indeed, sleazy, no matter who you are or what your sexual orientation might be.

    My assertion that there was 'nothing natural' about Stephen's death has been wildly misinterpreted.


    What I meant by 'nothing natural' was that the natural duration of his life had been tragically shortened in a way that was shocking and out of the ordinary. Certainly, his death was unusual enough for a coroner to become involved.


    As for Stephen's civil partnership, I am on the record as supporting same-sex marriages.


    The point of my observation that there was a 'happy ever after myth' surrounding such unions was that they can be just as problematic as heterosexual marriages.


    Indeed, I would stress that there was nothing in my article that could not be applied to a heterosexual couple as well as to a homosexual one.

    This brings me back to the bile, the fury, the inflammatory hate mail and the repeated posting of my home address on the internet.


    To say it was a hysterical overreaction would be putting it mildly, though clearly much of it was an orchestrated campaign by pressure groups and those with agendas of their own.


    However, I accept that many people - on Twitter and elsewhere - were merely expressing their own personal and heartfelt opinions or grievances.



    This said, I can't help wondering: is there a compulsion today to see bigotry and social intolerance where none exists by people who are determined to be outraged? Or was it a failure of communication on my part?


    Certainly, something terrible went wrong as my column ricocheted through cyberspace, unread by many who complained, yet somehow generally and gleefully accepted into folklore as a homophobic rant.


    It lit a spark, then a flame and turned into a roaring ball of hate fire, blazing unchecked and unmediated across the internet.


    Yet as the torrent of abuse continued, most of it anonymous, I also had thousands of supportive emails from readers and well-wishers, many of whom described themselves as 'the silent majority'. The outcry was not as one-sided as many imagine.


    Their view, and mine, was that it was perfectly reasonable of me to comment upon the manner of Stephen Gately's death, even if there are those who think that his celebrity and sexuality make him untouchable.


    Can it really be that we are becoming a society where no one can dare to question the circumstances or behaviour of a person who happens to be gay without being labelled a homophobe? If so, that is deeply troubling.


    Finally, I would just like to say that whatever did or did not happen in Majorca, a talented young man died before his time. This, of course, is a matter of regret and sadness for us all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Boring....... just a step away from a Jordan and Peter Andre story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    mikom wrote: »
    Boring....... just a step away from a Jordan and Peter Andre story.

    How could an Irish man dying and having a Daily Mail journalist attack him by implying that his sexuality had something to do with it the day before his funeral be compared to Peter Andre & Jordan?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Clare Bear wrote: »
    It's been 2 weeks now though, I think it's time to put it to rest.

    She just replied yesterday .. everyone was happy when she was been ripped apart on the thread but her response to this is too much? I posted it for completeness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The Daily Mail is a British tabloid newspaper, second only to the Sun.
    Draw your own conclusions as to why you should or should not be still giving them the oxygen of publicity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    mikom wrote: »
    The Daily Mail is a British tabloid newspaper, second only to the Sun.
    Draw your own conclusions as to why you should or should not be still giving them the oxygen of publicity.

    If anyone look back over the thread they will see that I was more vocal againist Jan Moir than anyone. Just feel that if you are going to discuss anything then it's only fair that both sides are given.

    Just for the record I think the 'apology' article is sanctimonious claptrap. Hopfully it all ends there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Nico22 wrote: »
    If look back over the thread I was more vocal againist Jan Moir than anyone. Just feel that if you are going to discuss anything then it's only fair that both sides are give.

    What??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    mikom wrote: »
    What??

    What do you mean by 'what'?

    In this thread the original article she wrote was posted and I gave my views that it was a disgrace while other's had the opposite view.

    She was accused by people (myself included) on this thread of being many things (a homophobe being just one) and now she has responded (poorly in my opinion) to those accusations.

    I just thought it right and complete to give her response. Some people who posted on this thread might not be aware of her 'reply' article and might be interested in what more crap she came out with in justictification for her wild claims.

    If you don't want to read her pathetic reasoning for what she origanally wrote then don't read it but why have a problem with me posting her reply for those that might?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Nico22 wrote: »
    What do you mean by 'what'?

    The "What??" related more to how incomprehensible your posting was, rather than the feeling it contained.

    Originally Posted by Nico22
    If look back over the thread I was more vocal againist Jan Moir than anyone. Just feel that if you are going to discuss anything then it's only fair that both sides are give.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    mikom wrote: »
    The "What??" related more to how incomprehensible your posting was, rather than the feeling it contained.

    If it was so 'incomprehensible' then how did you know what 'feeling' it contained?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Nico22 wrote: »
    If it was so 'incomprehensible' then how did you know what 'feeling' it contained?

    I taught English as a foreign language for five years.
    It helped me a lot.


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