Is it unpatriotic to wear a poppy ?

minidazzler · 24-10-2009 02:46PM

If they are on sale around cork I will get one. I used to be retarded about this type of thing, then I stopped being so.

Millions of people died fighting in WW1, it's a shame, and they should be remembered.

It's quite funny actually last year I was with my RDF unit and we had an Artillery Shoot on 11th November. Our First rounds landed at 1100. It's strange because the last rounds fired at the End of the war were on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.

Noone thought of this except me, which I was quite proud of, so proceeded to tell everyone who would listen.

It was on the 90th Anniversary too which made it kind of poignant I think.

artanevilla · 24-10-2009 02:49PM

Cali Handsome Opium wrote: »

You should familiarize yourself with the workings of the British Legion before making stupid statements like that.

You see, often around here people like you can go below the radar for a time - post something idiotic & get stuck with a label you'd rather not have.

Btw, you do know that The Organisation for National ex-service men & women will offer similar service's to members of the Irish Defence Forces who are also serving with ISAF in A'Stan?.

I applaud these organisations.

I wasn't referring to the actual poppies sold for remembrance purposes, but the opium and heroin trade which funds the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Daroxtar · 24-10-2009 02:52PM

Cali Handsome Opium wrote: »

Cool that you have the freedom to make those choices!.

Why wouldnt he?

Ruu_Old · 24-10-2009 02:52PM

I wear a union jack suit with my poppy.

mega man · 24-10-2009 02:53PM

its not unpatriotic for a British person to wear the poppy.
it is unpatriotic for an Irish person to wear the poppy as you are supporting a foreign force.

BQQ · 24-10-2009 02:54PM

Cali Handsome Opium wrote: »

Cool that you have the freedom to make those choices!.

only since 1921.
Before that we wouldn't have had that freedom.
(Like many of the Irish that died in WW1 weren't free avoid dying because of conscription)

empirix · 24-10-2009 02:55PM

yes - i am narrow minded and staying that way!:p

seanybiker · 24-10-2009 02:55PM

baz2009 wrote: »

I think they look a bit ghey.

+1
Full of the ghey them things

minidazzler · 24-10-2009 02:56PM

mega man wrote: »

its not unpatriotic for a British person to wear the poppy.
it is unpatriotic for an Irish person to wear the poppy as you are supporting a foreign force.

They weren't a Foreign Force the year the Armistice was signed.

This would be one year I would definitely wear it. The Last Tommy did die this year so it's definitely something I will look into getting.

Dyr · 24-10-2009 02:56PM

If you want to honour those brave chappie's who died in the service of the british empire massacring pesky natives across the globe then it's fine, otherwise wearing one just means you're naive or full of sh*t.

I would suggest a jaunty cap in black and tan to round out the look

Robbo · 24-10-2009 02:58PM

Ruu wrote: »

I wear a union jack suit with my poppy.

I thought I was the only one.

Bring a long a bottle of Pimms to my ceremonial burning of Wolf Tones CDs and Celtic shirts like a good chap.

mega man · 24-10-2009 03:00PM

minidazzler wrote: »

They weren't a Foreign Force the year the Armistice was signed.

This would be one year I would definitely wear it. The Last Tommy did die this year so it's definitely something I will look into getting.

correct me if i'm wrong but isnt the poppy commerorating all British servicemen killed in all conflicts?

philologos · 24-10-2009 03:00PM

There's not a bit wrong with wearing a poppy to recognise those fallen in WW1, WW2 or any other war. It's absurd to think that people are even saying that it is unpatriotic considering how many people from Ireland were at the frontlines with the British Army.

It's best to be as inclusive as possible with the concept. All who have died civilians or soldier should be thought of, war is something that has scarred human history and to take a day out to honour it is nothing less than what should be done I would have thought?

Instant Karma · 24-10-2009 03:03PM

If you feel you have to wear a poppy, why not buy and wear a white one?

Agricola · 24-10-2009 03:04PM

Its abit of a gray area for me. I wouldnt wear one as I would view it as supporting / remembering a foreign force, specifically the British Army. At the same time, alot of Irish people died in that war and they should be some form of commemoration for them.
Just because they lived in an Pre-Independence Ireland doesnt make them unfit to get a suitable tribute.

mega man · 24-10-2009 03:06PM

does the poppy commemorate those who died in the massereene barracks attack in 2009?

Snowie · 24-10-2009 03:06PM

Did Irish men not fight in the second world war and join the english army?
Do irish men a women join the english army yes they do.
did the english army fight against these people called nazis I beleave they did
did a lot of them die for generations of freedom to come? I beleave they did.

Did they fight and for them selves or because if they had'nt we'd be under nazi rule?
More then likly, wearing a popppy shows your aprication to men who invaded normandy got there legs blown of blown up into tiny peaces, got shot in the head, stud on mines gave there lives not just that but the men who drowned at sea to the men who actually made it out of there.

mega man · 24-10-2009 03:10PM

is this the same army that opened fire in Croke Park?
was this the same army that murdered civilians in Derry?
sorry i must me living in the past.

i'd say there were irish soldiers in the british forces at that time too but sure we will turn a blind eye to it.

philologos · 24-10-2009 03:13PM

I just find it unbelievable that sectarianism / nationalism obstructs something as simple as honouring the dead at war in 2009.

Queen-Mise · 24-10-2009 03:13PM

I would think so. Died in a conflict situation.

I had that forgotten till you said it.

Queen-Mise · 24-10-2009 03:14PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I just find it unbelievable that sectarianism / nationalism obstructs something as simple as honouring the dead at war in 2009.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Dyr · 24-10-2009 03:14PM

Agricola wrote: »

Just because they lived in an Pre-Independence Ireland doesnt make them unfit to get a suitable tribute.

We do have some national day of commemoration for them but it's probably not sasnaigh enough for the poppy wearers

Instant Karma · 24-10-2009 03:17PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I just find it unbelievable that sectarianism / nationalism obstructs something as simple as honouring the dead at war in 2009.

So you can't remember the dead without wearing a poppy?

King George was so impressed with those who were butchered in WW1 that he billed the dead's families for the kit the deceased were buried in.

philologos · 24-10-2009 03:19PM

Instant Karma wrote: »

So you can't remember the dead without wearing a poppy?

I never said that you can't, but the concept of being a West Brit for wearing a poppy is just absurd. The CoI have been honouring Remembrance Sunday for decades now in their churches, and the poppies are commonly worn and sold. People don't somehow become less Irish the second they put one on. I personally have bought and worn them before, and I think that it is important that we should remember past wars and atrocities at least for one day in the year.

It wasn't me! · 24-10-2009 03:20PM

I support all wearers of the poppy, and those who remember war dead across the world. It's a touch of the best side of humanity, to acknowledge a particular barbaric side of our species, and it's to be commended, as far as I'm concerned. Never worn one before, but I might this year. It's a strong symbol.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-10-2009 03:23PM

mega man wrote: »

is this the same army that opened fire in Croke Park?
was this the same army that murdered civilians in Derry?
sorry i must me living in the past.

i'd say there were irish soldiers in the british forces at that time too but sure we will turn a blind eye to it.

For some people its a personal thing, but this...

Laid of ghosts of the past to rest for me, and I'm a regular at Croker.

I think that game and the reception, and acceptance, we gave to the English team and supporters was one of the proudest days in both a political and sporting sense for all Irish people, well thats my belief anyway.

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irish_goat · 24-10-2009 03:25PM

Considering the number of Irish men, women and children that have been slaughtered by the British Army you'll forgive me if I choose not to wear one.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-10-2009 03:26PM

The reason I wouldn't wear one is because some unionists/loyalists wear them in memory of UVF/UDA members.

If I was in England/Scotland/Wales I probably would wear one as I respect those who fought in WW2 but not on this island.

Local-womanizer · 24-10-2009 03:26PM

Cali Handsome Opium wrote: »

For some people its a personal thing, but this...

Laid of ghosts of the past to rest for me, and I'm a regular at Croker.

I think that game and the reception, and acceptance, we gave to the English team and supporters was one of the proudest days in both a political and sporting sense for all Irish people, well thats my belief anyway.

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Plus,hammering them helped;)

Hearing the English players talk about the history of croke park was interesting.They had got lessons about the place and many hadent realised the importance of the events that took place there.

mega man · 24-10-2009 03:26PM

if the conflict in the north of ireland was resolved i personally wouldnt have a problem with commemorating a national day for irish people who died in the service of all foreign forces. but i dont see any reason for singaling out the british army?
alot of people fought for america and france too.

Is it unpatriotic to wear a poppy ?

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