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Liverpool squad/keeper/spending comparison thread [read post #161]

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  • #302
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    The Muppet wrote: »
    Sorry had to do some work so couldn't continue this this morning.



    Right For this exercise we are agreed that Rafa has spent £230 million on new players since he took over.

    That £230 Million is broken down into £85 million new money and and £145 million from sales.

    The source of the money is irrelvent really'.

    The combined cost of the players he purchased that are still at Liverpool is around £150 Million.

    Therefor he has spent £230 Million and is left with assets of £150 million.

    I can't make it any simpler than that.

    I sincerely hope it wasn’t work in the area of finance! Only kidding.

    Right. You’re really not making it simple, you’re completely complicating things.

    I really didn’t want to have to do this, and I apologise in advance.
    This is just to show how ridiculous your logic is


    Man United Squad Cost Values

    Van Der Saar – 2m
    Neville – 0m
    Evra – 6m
    Hargreaves – 17m
    Ferdinand – 33m
    Brown – 0m
    Owen – 0m
    Anderson – 18m
    Berbatov – 30m
    Rooney – 30m
    Giggs 0m
    Foster 0m
    Park 4m
    Tosic 7m
    Vidic – 7m
    Carrick – 18m
    Nani – 14m
    Scholes – 0m
    Wellbeck – 0m
    Valencia – 16m
    Obertan – 3m
    Kuszcak – 2m

    Total Cost of squad – 207m

    Total gross spends
    09/10 – 19m
    08/09 – 40m
    07/08 – 63m
    06/07 – 18m
    05/06 – 20m
    04/05 – 20m
    03/04 – 53m

    Total spend (only last 6 years) – 233m

    Where has the 26m difference gone? And i could theoretically go back to the start of Fergie's reign of terror with this rubbish


  • #303
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    whatawaster wrote: »
    I sincerely hope it wasn’t work in the area of finance! Only kidding.

    Right. You’re really not making it simple, you’re completely complicating things.

    I really didn’t want to have to do this, and I apologise in advance.
    This is just to show how ridiculous your logic is


    Man United Squad Cost Values

    And you accuse me of complicating things?;)

    I will look at what you have posted there.



    Heres something else for your consideration. It's in relation to the squad rafa inherited. I only list players that were purchased . You valued the squad he inherited at £45 million.

    Player - Purchased SOLD FOR
    Jerzy Dudek - £4,850,000 - free
    Chris Kirkland - £6,000,000 - £3,500,000
    Steve Finnan - £3,500,000 - ?
    Sami Hyypiä - £3,000,000 - ?
    John Arne Riise - £4,600,000 - £4,000,000
    Djimi Traoré - £55,000 - £2,000,000
    Igor Biscan - £5,500,000 - free
    Dietmar Hamann - £8,000,000 - free
    Harry Kewell - £5,000,000 - free
    Vladimir Smicer - £3,750,000 - free
    Milan Baros - £3,600,000 - £6,500,000
    Djibrill Cissé - £14,000,000 - £6,000,000
    Anthony Le Tallec - £3,000,000 - ?
    Florent Sinama - £2,000,000 - £2,700,000
    Diouf - £11,000,000 - £3,500,000
    Stephan Henchoz - £3,500,000 - free
    Danny Murphy - £3,000,000 - £2,500,000
    Gregory Vignal - £500,000 - free

    Totals Players cost £84,855,000 and were sold on for £30,700,000


  • #304
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    the amount of ****e you are speaking in this thread is incredible Muppet.

    i guess it Rafas fault that Hypia is at the end of his career?
    or Kewell became injury ridden?
    or players wouldn't sign new contracts?
    or that Houllier overpaid for some players?

    ffs. do you even believe wat you are saying or are you just on the wind up?


  • #305
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    The Muppet wrote: »
    And you accuse me of complicating things?;)

    I will look at what you have posted there.



    Heres something else for your consideration. It's in relation to the squad rafa inherited. I only list players that were purchased . You valued the squad he inherited at £45 million.

    Player - Purchased SOLD FOR
    Jerzy Dudek - £4,850,000 - free
    Chris Kirkland - £6,000,000 - £3,500,000
    Steve Finnan - £3,500,000 - ?
    Sami Hyypiä - £3,000,000 - ?
    John Arne Riise - £4,600,000 - £4,000,000
    Djimi Traoré - £55,000 - £2,000,000
    Igor Biscan - £5,500,000 - free
    Dietmar Hamann - £8,000,000 - free
    Harry Kewell - £5,000,000 - free
    Vladimir Smicer - £3,750,000 - free
    Milan Baros - £3,600,000 - £6,500,000
    Djibrill Cissé - £14,000,000 - £6,000,000
    Anthony Le Tallec - £3,000,000 - ?
    Florent Sinama - £2,000,000 - £2,700,000
    Diouf - £11,000,000 - £3,500,000
    Stephan Henchoz - £3,500,000 - free
    Danny Murphy - £3,000,000 - £2,500,000
    Gregory Vignal - £500,000 - free

    Totals Players cost £84,855,000 and were sold on for £30,700,000

    all that tells me is that Rafa inherited a squad which Houllier had overpaid for, and even then it wasn't that expensive a squad by todays standards.
    I'm not sure what points you're making at all here.


  • #306
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    whatawaster wrote: »
    all that tells me is that Rafa inherited a squad which Houllier had overpaid for, and even then it wasn't that expensive a squad by todays standards.
    I'm not sure what points you're making at all here.

    In six years time someone will be saying the same about rafa's squad of today.

    It was on a par if not more than value of the other top teams squads of the day.

    The point I was making was that Rafa inherited a squad of Players that cost the club £85 Million ( some of whom he sold at a £50 million loss to the club). In most discussions about Rafa's spending he is usually portrayed as having started with a squad with very little value.


    I looked at your united figures above as I said I would, you are assuming Uniteds complete squad was purchased within the last six years , It wasn't Rio's £33 Million was from before that period. There's your discrepancy explained. Liverpool are not in a similar position


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  • #307
    CHD
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    What does this thread acheive?


  • #308
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    CHD wrote: »
    What does this thread acheive?


    What does any thread achieve? It's here , so why not avail of it?


  • #309
    CHD
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Just seems really pointless to me. Going round in circles. Whatever yous are into!


  • #310
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,989 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    whatawaster wrote: »
    I sincerely hope it wasn’t work in the area of finance! Only kidding.

    Right. You’re really not making it simple, you’re completely complicating things.

    I really didn’t want to have to do this, and I apologise in advance.
    This is just to show how ridiculous your logic is


    Man United Squad Cost Values

    Van Der Saar – 2m
    Neville – 0m
    Evra – 6m
    Hargreaves – 17m
    Ferdinand – 33m
    Brown – 0m
    Owen – 0m
    Anderson – 18m
    Berbatov – 30m
    Rooney – 30m
    Giggs 0m
    Foster 0m
    Park 4m
    Tosic 7m
    Vidic – 7m
    Carrick – 18m
    Nani – 14m
    Scholes – 0m
    Wellbeck – 0m
    Valencia – 16m
    Obertan – 3m
    Kuszcak – 2m

    Total Cost of squad – 207m

    Total gross spends
    09/10 – 19m
    08/09 – 40m
    07/08 – 63m
    06/07 – 18m
    05/06 – 20m
    04/05 – 20m
    03/04 – 53m

    Total spend (only last 6 years) – 233m

    Where has the 26m difference gone? And i could theoretically go back to the start of Fergie's reign of terror with this rubbish

    whatawaster where did you get the prices for these players ?

    dont come back with with the bloody dailymail source, looking for an offical source :)


  • #311
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    The Muppet wrote: »
    We are talking overall spend , net spend gives the figure of new money it is not the complete budget. That's the mistake that's being made here.

    OK that's a sort of reasonable point. If, for the sake of argument, we ignore the problems with largely self financing the squad build through sales and compare the total budget he has had with the current value of the squad, how does it look?
    The Muppet wrote: »
    .. we are agreed that Rafa has spent £230 million on new players since he took over. ...


    The combined cost of the players he purchased that are still at Liverpool is around £150 Million.

    Therefor he has spent £230 Million and is left with assets of £150 million.

    You are valuing the player assets purely based on what he paid for them, that is not very useful since the point people are making is that he is handy in the transfer market, which would imply that he got good value for the players he bought.

    The assets (excluding Gerrard and Carragher), if they were to be sold today, would be worth a lot more than £150m, probably worth around £230m imo. I couldn't be bothered just now putting forward a detailed estimate but if you disagree with that statement you could give an estimate yourself.


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  • #312
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Pro. F wrote: »

    You are valuing the player assets purely based on what he paid for them, that is not very useful since the point people are making is that he is handy in the transfer market, which would imply that he got good value for the players he bought.

    The assets (excluding Gerrard and Carragher), if they were to be sold today, would be worth a lot more than £150m, probably worth around £230m imo. I couldn't be bothered just now putting forward a detailed estimate but if you disagree with that statement you could give an estimate yourself.

    Fair point too, depreciation is a factor, age injuroies etc but difficult to account for.

    Some of the players rafa has purchased have been sold for a profit Alonso being the obvious example but likewise there has been many sold at a loss Keane for example lost him a lot of money and age injuries etc was not a consideration. I think overall his transfer record is poor, the figures just support that point.


  • #313
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Headshot wrote: »
    whatawaster where did you get the prices for these players ?

    dont come back with with the bloody dailymail source, looking for an offical source :)

    mostly wiki tbh.
    I was fighting nonsense with nonsense so i wasn't going for accuracy


  • #314
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    whatawaster wrote: »
    mostly wiki tbh.
    I was fighting nonsense fact with nonsense so i wasn't going for accuracy

    FYP:p


  • #315
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    The Muppet wrote: »
    Fair point too, depreciation is a factor, age injuroies etc but difficult to account for.

    Some of the players rafa has purchased have been sold for a profit Alonso being the obvious example but likewise there has been many sold at a loss Keane for example lost him a lot of money and age injuries etc was not a consideration. I think overall his transfer record is poor, the figures just support that point.

    You didn't address the point in the post you quoted. You are seriously all over the shop in this discussion. Your arguments are totally illogical.
    The Muppet wrote: »
    Fair point too, depreciation is a factor, age injuroies etc but difficult to account for.
    What does this even mean?
    Does it mean that I made a fair point. That you therefore agree that his gross spend of £230m has in fact given the club a squad currently worth around £230m?
    Or does it mean that you dissagree with that statement?
    The Muppet wrote: »
    Some of the players rafa has purchased have been sold for a profit Alonso being the obvious example but likewise there has been many sold at a loss Keane for example lost him a lot of money and age injuries etc was not a consideration. I think overall his transfer record is poor, the figures just support that point.
    Before you start yet another angle of disscussion, how about you either refute or accept the criticism of your argument that I gave you?


  • #316
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,989 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    whatawaster wrote: »
    mostly wiki tbh.
    I was fighting nonsense with nonsense so i wasn't going for accuracy

    wiki ehh

    I wont say anymore ;)


  • #317
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Pro. F wrote: »
    You didn't address the point in the post you quoted. You are seriously all over the shop in this discussion. Your arguments are totally illogical.


    illogical? It wasnt me that declared Rafa had spent just £85 million on his squad totally ignoring the revenue he had generated from sales,
    Pro F wrote:
    Yup you've not gone mad. Your numbers make sense. In any discussion of a transfer budget you have to talk about sales as well as purchases. The NET spend (purchases minus sales) is what's important. Muppet doesn't seem to get that.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by whatawaster viewpost.gif
    Rafa has assembled a squad costing 150m, for a net outlay of only 85m.

    That's the simple fact of the matter. You could rephrase it slightly: Rafa has assembled a squad worth 150m+, for a net spend of only 85m.


    Pro. F wrote: »
    What does this even mean?
    Does it mean that I made a fair point. That you therefore agree that his gross spend of £230m has in fact given the club a squad currently worth around £230m?
    Or does it mean that you dissagree with that statement?

    It measn that depreciation of players over time is a valid consideration when discussing squad values.

    I didn't put the £150 million Value on the current Livepool squad Mr AL did, You can take any questions you have regarding that valuation up with him.
    Pro. F wrote: »
    Before you start yet another angle of disscussion, how about you either refute or accept the criticism of your argument that I gave you?

    Happy Now?


  • #318
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Muppet, you are so far off the mark it's not funny.

    To see if you can understand the difference between net and gross spend, and the importance of the former, let me ask you a question i've already asked 3 people here (none have answered!)

    Imagine if you will, Liverpool FC at the start of summer 2009. 2 scenarios

    1. Alonso and Arbeloa ask to leave and are sold. They raise 35m between them. They need to be replaced so the Liverpool manager spends 35m on Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani. Direct replacements for both players. In terms of numbers the squad is exactly the same.

    Gross spend = 35m
    Net spend = 0m

    2. Alonso and Arbeloa don't leave. Therefore the liverpool manager has no money to spend (because all the money he did spend in the summer in scenario 1 was from the sales of Alonso and Arbeloa).

    Gross spend = 0m
    Net spend = 0m

    Questions
    a) In scenario 1, would you consider that Liverpool had a lot of money to spend this summer?
    b) In scenario 2, would you consider that Liverpool had a lot of money to spend this summer?
    c) IN SUBSTANCE, how is there a difference between these 2 scenarios

    I'd be grateful if you'd attempt an answer


  • #319
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    The Muppet wrote: »
    illogical? It wasnt me that declared Rafa had spent just £85 million on his squad totally ignoring the revenue he had generated from sales,

    That's neither here nor there. When you explained what you were talking about to me I addressed it. Your response was illogical.

    The Muppet wrote: »
    It measn that depreciation of players over time is a valid consideration when discussing squad values.
    OK that clears that up. Your earlier statement was very hard to interpret.

    You didn't address my previous point so I'll put it too you again:
    The assets (excluding Gerrard and Carragher), if they were to be sold today, would be worth a lot more than £150m. I would roughly estimate they would be worth closer to £230m. Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree, can you put forward a reasonable estimate?

    The Muppet wrote: »
    I didn't put the £150 million Value on the current Livepool squad Mr AL did, You can take any questions you have regarding that valuation up with him.
    I don't care who put the value on it, as a current saleable value it's wrong imo.


  • #320
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    i never said the value of our current squad was 150?!

    if we were to sell every player at the club that Rafa bought we'd easily make over 230m on them.
    Christ we'd make 100m on Torres & Mascherano!


  • #321
    mayordenis
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    The Muppet wrote: »
    And you accuse me of complicating things?;)

    I will look at what you have posted there.



    Heres something else for your consideration. It's in relation to the squad rafa inherited. I only list players that were purchased . You valued the squad he inherited at £45 million.

    Player - Purchased SOLD FOR
    Jerzy Dudek - £4,850,000 - free
    Chris Kirkland - £6,000,000 - £3,500,000
    Steve Finnan - £3,500,000 - ?
    Sami Hyypiä - £3,000,000 - ?
    John Arne Riise - £4,600,000 - £4,000,000
    Djimi Traoré - £55,000 - £2,000,000
    Igor Biscan - £5,500,000 - free
    Dietmar Hamann - £8,000,000 - free
    Harry Kewell - £5,000,000 - free
    Vladimir Smicer - £3,750,000 - free
    Milan Baros - £3,600,000 - £6,500,000
    Djibrill Cissé - £14,000,000 - £6,000,000
    Anthony Le Tallec - £3,000,000 - ?
    Florent Sinama - £2,000,000 - £2,700,000
    Diouf - £11,000,000 - £3,500,000
    Stephan Henchoz - £3,500,000 - free
    Danny Murphy - £3,000,000 - £2,500,000
    Gregory Vignal - £500,000 - free

    Totals Players cost £84,855,000 and were sold on for £30,700,000

    That is the worst I think I've ever read, it's so incredibly irrelevant
    Hamann, Henchoz, Hyypia, Finnan, Dudek, all left when they were done basically some when there contracts were up.

    Actually also you can't put in free transfers and say rafa made a loss on them, it's a total lack of logic, there contracts were up, rafa did not sell them.

    Cisse and Diouf were paid way too much for.

    anyway basically the worst post ever.


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  • #322
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    whatawaster wrote: »
    Muppet, you are so far off the mark it's not funny.

    To see if you can understand the difference between net and gross spend, and the importance of the former, let me ask you a question i've already asked 3 people here (none have answered!)

    Imagine if you will, Liverpool FC at the start of summer 2009. 2 scenarios

    1. Alonso and Arbeloa ask to leave and are sold. They raise 35m between them. They need to be replaced so the Liverpool manager spends 35m on Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani. Direct replacements for both players. In terms of numbers the squad is exactly the same.

    Gross spend = 35m
    Net spend = 0m

    2. Alonso and Arbeloa don't leave. Therefore the liverpool manager has no money to spend (because all the money he did spend in the summer in scenario 1 was from the sales of Alonso and Arbeloa).

    Gross spend = 0m
    Net spend = 0m

    Questions
    a) In scenario 1, would you consider that Liverpool had a lot of money to spend this summer?
    b) In scenario 2, would you consider that Liverpool had a lot of money to spend this summer?
    c) IN SUBSTANCE, how is there a difference between these 2 scenarios

    I'd be grateful if you'd attempt an answer

    Of course I will try answer your question, that's what discussion is all about.

    First off Believe me I know the difference between net and gross ok,

    Q1 They spent £35 million on players which funded from sales of existing Players, There would be a zero net spend with no new investment from the owners.

    Q2 They had no money to spend

    There is a difference between the two scenarios which is in scenario 1 the Club spent £35 million on two players, which was funded by selling existing assets, therfore there was no new investment in the club from the owners.

    There is no new investment in either season.

    From here on in can we just discuss actual sales and figures if you don't mind.


  • #323
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    mayordenis wrote: »
    That is the worst I think I've ever read, it's so incredibly irrelevant
    Hamann, Henchoz, Hyypia, Finnan, Dudek, all left when they were done basically some when there contracts were up.

    Actually also you can't put in free transfers and say rafa made a loss on them, it's a total lack of logic, there contracts were up, rafa did not sell them.

    Cisse and Diouf were paid way too much for.

    anyway basically the worst post ever.

    How can Rafa's assets at the start of his tenure be irrelevant, they are very relevent as those sales partly funded some of his early signings.

    Some of them were at the end and would have naturally depreciated in value. I have already conceeded that, the problem is how do you account for that.

    If you pay £2 million for a player and then let him go for nothing he has net cost of £2 million to the club.


  • #324
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    The Muppet wrote: »
    I think overall his transfer record is poor, the figures just support that point.

    the figures dont support your point at all.

    if all the players Rafa bought were sold in the morning, and they were to bring in more than 230m (which they would), would that not mean he'd done very well?

    you're also totally ignoring the fact that improving a squad obviously costs money. and our squad is undoubtadly improved.

    the team Houllier left got 60 points in the PL. last season we got 86.


  • #325
    mayordenis
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    The Muppet wrote: »
    How can Rafa's assets at the start of his tenure be irrelevant, they are very relevent as those sales partly funded some of his early signings.

    Some of them were at the end and would have naturally depreciated in value. I have already conceeded that, the problem is how do you account for that.

    If you pay £2 million for a player and then let him go for nothing he has net cost of £2 million to the club.

    That's like me selling a hemorrhaging, and then blaming the new owner for it going out of business, there was no way to add more longevity to certain players,
    blaming rafa makes your look silly.


  • #326
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    mayordenis wrote: »
    That's like me selling a hemorrhaging, and then blaming the new owner for it going out of business, there was no way to add more longevity to certain players,
    blaming rafa makes your look silly.

    If all the players sold had reached the end of their playing days you would have a point. That is not the case with most of them .

    Mr Alan wrote: »
    i never said the value of our current squad was 150?!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62660881&postcount=245

    You do the adding up then Al.


  • #327
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    The Muppet wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62660881&postcount=245

    You do the adding up then Al.

    141m.

    and thats wat they cost, as has been said, if they were all sold tomorrow, they would make easily more than that. easily.

    so how is that "bad" in the transfer market?

    by the way, it was quite clear pro f was talking about the current value. whereas the list i made up was wat they cost to purchase at the time, a lot of the valuations would be quite different now.
    Pro F wrote:
    as a current saleable value it's wrong imo.


  • #328
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,007 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    141m.

    and thats wat they cost, as has been said, if they were all sold tomorrow, they would make easily more than that. easily.

    so how is that "bad" in the transfer market?

    by the way, it was quite clear pro f was talking about the current value. whereas the list i made up was wat they cost to purchase at the time, a lot of the valuations would be quite different now.


    You know what they say about if's.

    I was talking about your List. Nobody knows the value of players until they are actualy sold, For instance Alonso was avaialable for £12 million last summer and went for £30 million this summer.

    I have only used real transfer fees, theres no imaginary ones in my posts.


  • #329
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    ok mupppet, i'll bow out of this conversation now, i think anyone reading it will recognise its truely nonsense that you are speaking.


  • #330
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    The Muppet wrote: »
    I was talking about your List.
    You used Al's list, of how much Benitez spent on the players, as a statement of their current saleable value. That is grossly inaccurate.
    The Muppet wrote: »
    Nobody knows the value of players until they are actualy sold,

    If you truly believe that nobody knows the value of players until they are actually sold then how come you are claiming here
    The Muppet wrote: »
    Therefor he has spent £230 Million and is left with assets of £150 million
    that we have an estimate of the current saleable
    value of the players (assets)?
    The Muppet wrote: »
    I have only used real transfer fees, theres no imaginary ones in my posts.
    You have used unrelated transfer fees to imply current value. By using that total cost figure, you are claiming, for example, that Torres is now worth £20m and that Reina is now worth £6m!


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    mormank
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    whatawaster wrote: »
    To look at it another way.

    Rafa inherits Houllier’s squad (the transfer value of which, as it turned out, was only 45m)
    He sells them all. We have, for arguments sake, no players left. Rafa has 45m in the bank.

    Rafa buys however many players he bought, spending 230m in the process.
    We have (+45-230) an overdraft of 185m

    Rafa then decides he doesn’t need most of these players and sells them on.
    He sells players (who had cost him 80m originally) for 100m
    We are left with an overdraft of (+45-230-100) of 85 million.

    That 85 million is Rafa’s spend.

    That 150m squad is made up of all Rafa’s purchases (230m) less the original cost of all his sales (80m) – ie: the two amounts in bold above

    haha i think i see where your name comes from now as you are clearly wasting your time trying to use maths and equations to explain stuff to the people arguing with you!! no matter what you say they will reply with the same thing they said before you tried to explain to them...this thread is such a load of complete rubbish. it really is. it is mainly just boggles (as usual) and muppet winding people up under the guise of a 'serious' discussion.

    Mod request, put a warning on the thread title saying something like enter this thread at your own risk..what a load of drivvle!!

    Or if this request isnt suitable then please just delete all 23 PAGES!!!!! and replace with summary

    Anti Rafa Brigade: But rafa is rubbish in the transfer market and spent the most money ever in the transfer market.

    Defence: well no, while we agree that rafa isnt perfect in the transfer market you are wrong with how much he has spent, this is why, and he has done reasonbly well considering...

    Anti Rafa brigade: But rafa is rubbish in the transfer market and spent the most money ever in the transfer market.

    Defence: well actualy, like we have just tried to explain, this is not wholy accurate. let me try firther to explain why...

    Anti Rafa brigade: But rafa is rubbish in the transfer market and spent the most money ever in the transfer market.

    Defence: oh god give me strength!!

    Please oh please will the defence rest!!! forget arguing with the wall!!!


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