Stephen Gately has died! ----(mod warning post #6)

walshb · 16-10-2009 09:06PM

Nico22 wrote: »

Nobody is stopping or even complaining about ANYONE discussing Stephen's death and you implying such does not make it so. Stop trying to make out that this is the case - it is not.

What people have a problem with is your attitude. How did you ever become a mod?

But, you and others want to censor what is and isn't discussed, that's the issue. Gately was a public figure and there are many facets to his life, the good, the bad and the "ugly". Now, what is so wrong with discussing his life?

I have nothing against the guy. I didn't know him, but a celebrity will always be open for whatever the media and the general public want to hear.
I can bet you most people sitting at home in their sitting rooms are discussing the issues raised by the Mail.
They are simply making it public, as a media outlet usually does.

You may not like to hear the "negative," but talking about it and printing it is part of life and will always be

OutlawPete · 16-10-2009 09:16PM

walshb wrote: »

But, you and others want to censor what is and isn't discussed, that's the issue.

I do NOT want to sensor what is discussed at all. Post what you want but as long as you post something that I think your wrong about then I'm going to let you know what I think.

I drove past the lads tonight carrying the coffin and it's just cutting a little raw with me tonight to have to read that Stephen was living in a "Twilight" world ..

I'll repeat myself. He was on holiday having just written his latest Childrens book and was happily 'married' and even if that's not a word you want to attach to their relationship that's fine but the guy lived a pretty vanilla life.

Where do you get off suggesting otherwise?

Again, I have no problem with you posting your opinions - just surprised that you have them - that's all.

walshb wrote: »

I can bet you most peple sitting at home in their sitting rooms are discussing the issues raised by the Mail.
They are simply making it public, as a media outlet usually does.

Your doing it again here. NOBODY is complaining about anyone discussing Stephens death at all. People ARE complaining about the unjustifiable and sickening COMMENTS you just made about him.

Make them as long as you want but don't then complain when your called on it. Who do you think you are saying "Pity about you" to someone?? If your arguments were that strong you wouldn't need to be so obnoxious.

walshb · 16-10-2009 09:22PM

Comments: Which ones exacly?

That he was gay?
Famous?

Look, a lot of gay men, and I am not saying Stephen, live in a world that
is not what the run of the mill heterosexual man lives in. People
may not want to hear this, but it is true.

Now, Gately was gay, "married," and the circumstances surrounding his
death are going to be discussed. Why he was down on a sofa dying whilst
his "husband" and another man were in bed. This is simply not the normal way
we are living. I am not saying it's bad, good or anything else, just not the norm, and people want to delve into the details, sleazy or otherwise

HerbSimpson · 16-10-2009 09:26PM

A threeome is not a big deal anyway, thats their own business, they weren't hurting anyone.

OutlawPete · 16-10-2009 09:35PM

walshb wrote: »

Which ones exacly?
That he was gay?
Famous?

Hardly ..

walshb wrote: »

Look, a lot of gay men, and I am not saying Stephen ..

You ARE saying Stephen. This is a thread ABOUT Stephen.

That's like me posting on a thread about Tom Cruise and saying Scientologists are all into S&M and whip the f*** out of each other till they bleed and then saying 'Well, I'm not talking about Tom".

Come on ..

walshb wrote: »

.. the circumstances surrounding his
death are going to be discussed. Why he was down on a sofa dying whilst
his "husband" and another man were in bed. This is simply not the normal way
we are living.

Even if that were the case (and it's NOT) so what? It would have ZERO to do with his death if he had a gangbang. Your implying he died as a result of his lifestyle and I think your wrong. That's all that I am saying.

Again, I have no issue with discussing anything to do with Stephen but let's stick to the facts.

walshb wrote: »

I am not saying it's bad, good or anything else ..

Your implying it's bad. I have not got the ipression from any of your posts that Stephen was up to ANY good.

walshb · 16-10-2009 09:39PM

You point out ONCE where I said he died because of his lifestyle?

That's complete garbage and you know it.

Thousands of people are dying every day of the week from
drink binges, or drug binges tec etc, and it's nothing
to do with the fact that they are gay, straight or anything else.

I said that the lifestyle of a gay man is for the most part different than
that of a straight men. They live in a world that we have not yet fully
embraced.

herya · 16-10-2009 09:41PM

walshb wrote: »

You may not like to hear the "negative," but talking about it and printing it is part of life and will always be

You have no clue what took place behind the closed door and neither has Jan Moir. It's just your dirty minds spewing rubbish.

He might have been kipping on the sofa as he felt under the weather already for all we know. But it would be too "run of the mill" for your small mind.

Look, a lot of gay men, and I am not saying Stephen, live in a world that is not what the run of the mill heterosexual man lives in.

Go see your run of the mill heterosexuals getting ready for one night stands in pubs and clubs all over the country tonight.

Hello from the real world...

walshb · 16-10-2009 09:46PM

herya wrote: »

You have no clue what took place behind the closed door and neither has Jan Moir. It's just your dirty minds spewing rubbish.

He might have been kipping on the sofa as he felt under the weather already for all we know. But it would be too "run of the mill" for your small mind.

Go see your run of the mill heterosexuals getting ready for one night stands in pubs and clubs all over the country tonight.

Hello from the real world...

Nothing to do with dirty minds, it's just obvious really.
Now, nobody but Cowles and the Bulgarian really know, but
it's not rocket science. And, also, if this was a man, his wife and a
tag along man, then it stands to reason that it's not the typical
behaviour from a married couple, not that it doesn't happen.

herya · 16-10-2009 09:51PM

walshb wrote: »

I said that the lifestyle of a gay man is for the most part different than that of a straight men. They live in a world that we have not yet fully embraced.

This is honestly laughable. What exactly is there in the "twilight gay world" that straight people haven't done? Do you know you sound paranoic?

herya · 16-10-2009 09:52PM

walshb wrote: »

And, also, if this was a man, his wife and a
tag along man, then it stands to reason that it's not the typical
behaviour from a married couple, not that it doesn't happen.

So make up your mind what you're concerned about after all - homosexuality, straight promiscuity, other visions that haunt you?

walshb · 16-10-2009 09:56PM

herya wrote: »

So make up your mind what you're concerned about after all - homosexuality, straight promiscuity, other visions that haunt you?

I am not concerned about anything, I just can't see why folks are so outraged
by an article in the paper querying the lifestyle of a young gay celebrity who dies aged 33 on a sofa while the hubby was in bed with another man.

This is the 21st Century, media is everywhere looking for details on everything, sleazy or not sleazy.

TequilaMockingBird · 16-10-2009 10:02PM

walshb wrote: »

Nothing to do with dirty minds, it's just obvious really.

What is "just obvious really"?

herya · 16-10-2009 10:08PM

walshb wrote: »

I am not concerned about anything, I just can't see why folks are so outraged
by an article in the paper querying the lifestyle of a young gay celebrity who dies aged 33 on a sofa while the hubby was in bed with another man.

She's suggesting that gayness killed him, not his heart. Which is just stupid in the light of coroner's report. And even if he died on top of somebody this somebody's gender makes no difference whatsoever.

"Twilight world"... honestly I'm still scratching my head. Where have you been hiding?

irish_bob · 16-10-2009 10:29PM

the media coverage of this relativley minor pop stars death is completley over the top , sky news top story this evening was a report from the funeral parlour where stephen gatelys remains reside

walshb · 16-10-2009 10:31PM

herya wrote: »

She's suggesting that gayness killed him, not his heart. Which is just stupid in the light of coroner's report. And even if he died on top of somebody this hiding?

Where is she suggesting gayness killed him, cop on and stop being
so sensitive about it. She isn't and nor am I.

People don't die JUST because of their sexual preference

OutlawPete · 16-10-2009 10:32PM

walshb wrote: »

You point out ONCE where I said he died because of his lifestyle? That's complete garbage and you know it.

I can't believe this. You implied as much once you endorsed the Jan Moir article with the following:

walshb wrote: »

I read the report and nothing in it is wholly untrue or inaccurate.

Then why is everyone outraged and is a company like M&S pulling ads off the Daily Mail's website:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir-complaints

walshb wrote: »

Thousands of people are dying every day of the week from
drink binges, or drug binges tec etc, and it's nothing
to do with the fact that they are gay, straight or anything else.

That's what WE are saying to YOU and then you turn OUR argument back at us?? Good one.

walshb wrote: »

I said that the lifestyle of a gay man is for the most part different than
that of a straight men.

Different in what way? You know as much about Gay men's sexual lifestyles as you do straight men's sexual lifestyles. What's so different about what goes on in The George than what goes on in Copper Face Jacks tonight?

walshb wrote: »

They live in a world that we have not yet fully
embraced.

Here you go .. Gay men live in a differnet world?

walshb wrote: »

If Gately and Cowles were married and happy, how come another man was back with them.

I DON'T KNOW why .. but why are you talking about that when he is lying dead in a box after dying from 'fluid on the lungs'? You are implying it has something to do with his death .. be honest. Do you think people are stupid.

walshb wrote: »

Like it or not, the life of a gay man or gay men does have a very seedy
reputation.

Yes, PEOPLE will talk .. WE ALL know that .. but why are YOU talking about it. Why are YOU mentioning it? Why are YOU talking about it in a way that connects a man in his holiday apartment with his DEATH?

Stephen was a Multi Millionaire .. do you really think he had a One-Bedroomed holiday home???

walshb wrote: »

It's a twilight zone of hedonism.

Sounds good to me. Makes me wish I was born gay as I am single now and a Twilight Zone of Hedonism sounds just up my street.

walshb wrote: »

I just can't see why folks are so outraged
by an article in the paper querying the lifestyle of a young gay celebrity who dies aged 33 on a sofa while the hubby was in bed with another man.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Mental Mickey · 16-10-2009 10:34PM

irish_bob wrote: »

the media coverage of this relativley minor pop stars death is completley over the top , sky news top story this evening was a report from the funeral parlour where stephen gatelys remains reside

Sky News are over the top. Always. F**kin useless "news" channel.

herya · 16-10-2009 10:43PM

walshb wrote: »

Where is she suggesting gayness killed him, cop on and stop being
so sensitive about it. She isn't and nor am I.

People don't die JUST because of their sexual preference

Tell her that so. She's saying that there is something wrong with same sex relationships because people die in them. On the basis of two men who died totally different deaths.

OutlawPete · 16-10-2009 10:51PM

walshb wrote: »

Where is she suggesting gayness killed him, cop on and stop being
so sensitive about it. She isn't and nor am I.

Yes she is and YOU know it. I can understand you trying to distance yourself from the implications of that article, but you know fine well that she was clearly implying that his lifestyle was 'directly' attributable to his death.

If you believed what you are saying NOW then you'd also be saying her article was out of order and not defending her veiw point.

If Ronan Keating was found dead would you be posing the same questions about why was he on the sofa etc etc

I presume Ronan has just as much sex as Stephen did.

The truth is if it was Ronan his sexuality woudln't be mentioned. I think the face that anyone wants to discuss him being Gay in context with his death is shocking. He dies in his holiday home for God's sake.

If he was found in some massage parlour in Soho tied up then I'd be asking questions too but he was on holiday talking a break after just completing writing a children's book and hoping for Louis to get him a part in a play in the Westend that he wanted to do.

Where's the sleazy life in that?

efb · 16-10-2009 11:07PM

If her article is so inoffensive, why have The Daily Fail kept changing it?

OutlawPete · 16-10-2009 11:08PM

walshb wrote: »

Why he was down on a sofa dying whilst
his "husband" and another man were in bed.

walshb wrote: »

I just can't see why folks are so outraged
by an article in the paper querying the lifestyle of a young gay celebrity who dies aged 33 on a sofa while the hubby was in bed with another man.

walshb wrote: »

If Gately and Cowles were married and happy, how come another man was back with them, he and Cowles in the bed and Gately on the sofa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b-N3lrVXw

Sharpshooter · 16-10-2009 11:12PM

Nico22 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b-N3lrVXw

Now let it go.

OutlawPete · 16-10-2009 11:13PM

Off out .. nothing more to add. Leave you's all with the following vids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4uYNBPetcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyiejzn19cI

Sharpshooter · 16-10-2009 11:19PM

walshb wrote: »

Look, a lot of gay men, and I am not saying Stephen, Why he was down on a sofa dying whilst
his "husband" and another man were in bed. This is simply not the normal way
we are living. I am not saying it's bad, good or anything else, just not the norm, and people want to delve into the details, sleazy or otherwise

You have seen the You Tube that Nico22 put in, so let this drop now.

fryup · 17-10-2009 10:09AM

the lads must be knackered staying up last night in the church, i wonder did stephen do a Fr Jack on them?

SIX PACK · 17-10-2009 12:13PM

Ah its a fine tribute to the man. he was taken too early if you ask me so sad. RIP Steo

Novella · 17-10-2009 12:19PM

I can hear his funeral from my apartment, aaaah, it's so sad

JP Liz · 17-10-2009 12:50PM

Sky News are showing the funeral

brummytom · 17-10-2009 01:05PM

"Stephen loved Mickey... er, Mouse" - that seemed awkward

Is it just me who finds this funeral quite haphazard? There's some woman singing and it's painful

shinny · 17-10-2009 01:15PM

God the Eulogy was so sad. Poor Ronan, he was in bits.