How is Barcode Fairview still open???

Poccington · 16-10-2009 10:54AM

Rondolfus wrote: »

We have already acknowledged that these things happen. I think all the above cases are scum. That does not change my belief that a sub-species of scum are holding our city hostage. You can't walk down one street in Dublin City without encountering scum asking for "bus fare" or shouting abuse at tourists or anyone they see as "different". These tracksuit wearing wasters are common in Ireland and indeed in the UK. However, not so much in Paris or the rest of Europe for that matter. Why?? Because are justice system like Britains, is more concerned with the "human rights" of the criminals than the rights of the victims!!

I've walked down plenty of streets without anyone asking for bus fare or shouting abuse at tourists. The only people that pester me for money, aren't Irish nevermind being scum from Dublin.

As for holding our city hostage? I must be living in a different Dublin because I still have complete freedom of movement without fear in the Dublin I live in.

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 11:04AM

Dave! wrote: »

By the same rationale we should probably shut down Coco's, the Playhouse, Reds (think that's gone anyway), Coppers, etc etc. They're often infested with underage undesirables.

No, becuase they had planning permission and a proper license. Barcode just bullied its way into existence. It Didn't even apply for planning permission. It Consistantly ignores court rulings. That makes a mockery of our justice system and sends out the clear message that you can do what you like and you won't be held accountable.

This mentality has seeped down to the streets where thugs know they can basically terrorise communties and nothing will be done.

Lest face it, if you see someone breaking into your car and call the Guards. Sure they arrive but what more do they do?? Drive around looking for the guys so they can tell them to leave the area? The guards hands are tied by stupid laws. This has led to me (and many others) purchasing baseball bats, so instead of calling the Guards in such instances we can deliver our own swift justice on these rats. Our justice system should not be putting its citizens in this position!

Whether you're the owner of Barcode or a "street rat", the laws should be enforced.

tbh · 16-10-2009 11:08AM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Lest face it, if you see someone breaking into your car and call the Guards. Sure they arrive but what more do they do?? Drive around looking for the guys so they can tell them to leave the area? The guards hands are tied by stupid laws. This has led to me (and many others) purchasing baseball bats, so instead of calling the Guards in such instances we can deliver our own swift justice on these rats. Our justice system should not be putting its citizens in this position!
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Yeah, but then you're in a situation where the definition of "scumbag" is arbitrary. For example, I would consider a little kid who posts on the internet about beating up "rats" with baseball bats a bit of a dreamer, but also a bit of a scumbag.

Xavi6 · 16-10-2009 12:14PM

sock puppet wrote: »

I Think he left Castleknock Community College a few years ago. I don't know him though so not totally sure.

If he did then he was two years below me given his age so I really should know him from the area.

noodler · 16-10-2009 12:39PM

Magnus wrote: »

http://www.dublinpubscene.com/thepubs/barcode.html

Just clicking on the link...you really went out of your way to find the most illiterate comments didn't you?

There are plenty of well-written (ish) ones there.

Ace2007 · 16-10-2009 12:41PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

This point was already discussed. Of course things like this happen everywhere. But are you trying to say that every area in Dublin has the same crime rates?? The fact is you are more likely to get assaulted in high crime areas. Thats a fact.

Exceptions to the rule don't change that. Barcode attracts people primarily from high crime areas. The inner city, Tallaght, Finglas, Ballymun, Coolock,Ballyfermot. Obviously not everybody from these areas are out to cause trouble, but they are high crime areas hence have a higher proportion of trouble makers. The club has only brought trouble to the area, which is why the local residents and local business' are trying to get it closed. And to rub salt into the wounds the owners never even applied for planning permission. Typical farce and corruption that we have grown accustomed to under Fianna Fail.

Just becuase some people go to Barcode and aren't underage scum bags, doesn't mean the club isn't infested with underage scum bags.

STFU

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 03:59PM

tbh wrote: »

Yeah, but then you're in a situation where the definition of "scumbag" is arbitrary. For example, I would consider a little kid who posts on the internet about beating up "rats" with baseball bats a bit of a dreamer, but also a bit of a scumbag.

And this is exactly why we have one of the highest level of juvenile deliquency in Europe. Because certain people are so obsessed with appearing PC that they refuse to back those people who have the balls to take on the criminals. That all changes though when they (or people they know) become victims of crime.

Tell me, who's the bigger scumbag, he who is prepared to protect his friends and family by using direct action , or he who steps aside and allow their loved ones to be pillaged by societys "rats". At the end of the day people can try and convince themselves that their inaction keeps them on the moral high ground. Turn the other cheek and all the rest. That suits them because they don't have to face reality. The reality being that they are just cowards.

Ireland needs more people like Padraig Nally!

Cookie Jar · 16-10-2009 04:30PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

And this is exactly why we have one of the highest level of juvenile deliquency in Europe. Because certain people are so obsessed with appearing PC that they refuse to back those people who have the balls to take on the criminals. That all changes though when they (or people they know) become victims of crime.

Tell me, who's the bigger scumbag, he who is prepared to protect his friends and family by using direct action , or he who steps aside and allow their loved ones to be pillaged by societys "rats". At the end of the day people can try and convince themselves that their inaction keeps them on the moral high ground. Turn the other cheek and all the rest. That suits them because they don't have to face reality. The reality being that they are just cowards.

Ireland needs more people like Padraig Nally!

"Nally retrieved a shotgun from the shed and, as he confronted Ward at the back door, shot him in the side. Nally then beat Ward repeatedly with a stick. As Ward was trying to leave the property, Nally went back to the shed, reloaded his shotgun, went back to Ward, and fired a second, fatal shot. It was also reported that Nally dragged Ward's body from the farm yard and threw it over the hedges of a field outside his premises."

Yeah we really need more people like that:rolleyes:

Two negatives do not make a positive.

TheBlock · 16-10-2009 04:37PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Tell me, who's the bigger scumbag, he who is prepared to protect his friends and family by using direct action , or he who steps aside and allow their loved ones to be pillaged by societys "rats". At the end of the day people can try and convince themselves that their inaction keeps them on the moral high ground. Turn the other cheek and all the rest. That suits them because they don't have to face reality. The reality being that they are just cowards.

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What happens when someone takes a baseball bat to you for taking a baseball bat to his family? Is he a hero like you or a scumbag?

tbh · 16-10-2009 04:46PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Tell me, who's the bigger scumbag, he who is prepared to protect his friends and family by using direct action , or he who steps aside and allow their loved ones to be pillaged by societys "rats".

to a law-abiding citizen like myself, they are equally scumbaggy. Most people dont want this type of action. If most people felt like you did, it would be quite legal.

It's got nothing to do with being pc. Anyone who wants to get a group of their mates together and get tooled up with baseball bats so they can go around beating people up is a bit of a scumbag. Doesn't matter whether it's because they have drug debts or because they are a drug pusher. It's the act of a scumbag.

So you might want to tone down the aul condescension there bud, because the vast majority of Irish people would be looking down their noses at you as much as anyone.

Because certain people are so obsessed with appearing PC that they refuse to back those people who have the balls to take on the criminals.

The Gardai have my full and undivided support.

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 04:50PM

TheBlock wrote: »

What happens when someone takes a baseball bat to you for taking a baseball bat to his family? Is he a hero like you or a scumbag?

IF the community acted as one this wouldn't be a problem.

Im a supporter of zero tolerance. If this was introduced we wouldn't need baseball bats or anything else.

I would love if our justice system works but it simply doesn't . You can go out and kill a man today and be free sitting in a bar having a beer in time for the 2014 world cup. Thats how much of a joke the system is

A Life sentence should mean life!!

tbh · 16-10-2009 04:55PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Im a supporter of zero tolerance.

course you are. Probably because you're too young to have ever been in a position where you needed somebody else to have a bit of tolerance for you. Life will knock that out you, don't worry.

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 04:57PM

tbh wrote: »

to a law-abiding citizen like myself, they are equally scumbaggy. Most people dont agree. If most people felt like you did, it would be quite legal.

So you might want to tone down the aul condescension there bud, because the vast majority of Irish people would be looking down their noses at you as much as anyone.

I totally disagree. I believe the vast majority of Irish people would support this. They just never had a chance to . The vast majority of Irish people don't support our Government but they are still in power. Reality doesn't necessarily mirror public opinion.

I guarantee the next Irish Gov will get in on the back of a zero tolerance crime policy. There is already steps being taken to change the laws relating to intruders. Soon they won't be able to sue you for getting injured while breaking into YOUR property! Wow thats what I call progress!

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 05:03PM

tbh wrote: »

course you are. Probably because you're too young to have ever been in a position where you needed somebody else to have a bit of tolerance for you. Life will knock that out you, don't worry.

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions there. Just because someone doesn't support your view??

I won't be so naive to believe that I can guess what age or job you have but I will say one thing. We are two totally different people with totally different political views.

When times get tough its my political views that win out. Your views are ok in the Good times, when idealism is in vogue. However, Im sure I don't need to tell you the "good" times are over. The people need and want a government with a bit of edge. Its a pity our politicians won't give the people a chance to have their voice heard!

tbh · 16-10-2009 05:05PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

I totally disagree. I believe the vast majority of Irish people would support this. They just never had a chance to . The vast majority of Irish people don't support our Government but they are still in power. Reality doesn't necessarily mirror public opinion.

no - the vast majority of the irish people don't like the government, but don't hate them enough to do anything about it.
The vast majority of the irish people decided that contraception should be available, and it was made so. The vast majority of the irish people decided that medical cards should not be taken from oaps, so the government were forced to back down. That's how government works. If you could find even 5,000 people who felt strongly about this, and you had them outside the dail every day, how long would it be before this was being discussed in the news? and if it was being discussed in the news, and it was as popular as you say, then it would snowball, politicians would be told that it needs to happen for people to vote for them, and it would be at least talked about in the dail.

but instead, nobodys talking about it, because nobody wants it to happen, or believes it will happen.

and it won't happen, will it? I mean, you're certainly not going to do it. That baseball bat you used, I guarantee you, you'll never hit anyone with it. You'll never even bring it out threaten someone.

if something happened to you or someone in your family that left you feeling vunerable, then ok, I can see why you might feel you need something for protection. But going around dishing out your own brand of "justice"? come on.

tbh · 16-10-2009 05:07PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions there. Just because someone doesn't support your view??
!

bet I'm right tho

I've made a load of assumptions about you, most of which I haven't said. I've seen your type before, you see.

RMD · 16-10-2009 05:08PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

We have already acknowledged that these things happen. I think all the above cases are scum. That does not change my belief that a sub-species of scum are holding our city hostage. You can't walk down one street in Dublin City without encountering scum asking for "bus fare" or shouting abuse at tourists or anyone they see as "different". These tracksuit wearing wasters are common in Ireland and indeed in the UK. However, not so much in Paris or the rest of Europe for that matter. Why?? Because are justice system like Britains, is more concerned with the "human rights" of the criminals than the rights of the victims!!

I'm sorry, but your full of **** is all I'm going to say at this stage after reading countless amounts of your posts in this topic.

1. I walk the length of Marlborough street twice a day, arguably one of the "scummiest" streets in Dublin, yet have never been asked for bus fare and in the last 4 years of walking it daily, the worst I've heard is a junkie say "****in pakies" under his breath.

2. Sorry, absolute bull****. Paris is arguably more dangerous for tourists or it's citizens than Dublin is. There's suburbs in Paris where a tourist will be lucky to last an hour without being mugged, Les Bosquets for an example, the heart of the 2005 Paris riots is notoriously dangerous, watch McIntyres "worlds most dangerous cities" to gain an idea into what Paris is like away from the center of the city, far more dangerous than Dublin is.

I really suggest you stop stereotyping and do some research while you're at it.

tbh · 16-10-2009 05:08PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

When times get tough its my political views that win out.

what party do you support? I'd be a labour man myself. Shinner maybe? probably not a party member tho, no?

damselnat · 16-10-2009 05:18PM

RMD wrote: »

2. Sorry, absolute bull****. Paris is arguably more dangerous for tourists or it's citizens than Dublin is. There's suburbs in Paris where a tourist will be lucky to last an hour without being mugged, Les Bosquets for an example, the heart of the 2005 Paris riots is notoriously dangerous, watch McIntyres "worlds most dangerous cities" to gain an idea into what Paris is like away from the center of the city, far more dangerous than Dublin is.

Jaysus yeah, Paris is full of some ghettoes!! Scary if you take a wrong turn and end up in one weeping and wondering where the nearest (burned and full of holes and armed teenagers) bus back to Montmartre is.......
The poster that said there's a lot less skangers in places like Paris is so, sooooo wrong.....

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 05:23PM

tbh wrote: »

and it won't happen, will it? I mean, you're certainly not going to do it. That baseball bat you used, I guarantee you, you'll never hit anyone with it. You'll never even bring it out threaten someone.

if something happened to you or someone in your family that left you feeling vunerable, then ok, I can see why you might feel you need something for protection. But going around dishing out your own brand of "justice"? come on.

Actually, where I work we take numerous calls from people complaining about crime and in-justice. It was in fact my office that campaigned for numerous proposals on justice reform to be brought before the dail. So again, I disagree when you say the vast majority of people wouldn't support zero tolerance. Wait until the next elections. Then we'll see who's right.

As for the bat I hope your right, I hope I never have to use it. But rising crime rates say differently.

Dishing out my own brand of justice... Do you have any idea how common this is in Ireland?? Even the Guards turn a blind eye, becuase they know their hands are tied.

Ill give you an example, a scum bag rapist rapes a young girl and beats her to within an inch or her life. He serves less than a year in prison. Comes out and starts harrassing the victim and her family. Guards are called but they can't do anything becuase they is no real evidence that its him (even though everybody knows it is him and his scum bag mates). So a group of people from the area get together, drag the little rat out of his house bring him to the Dublin mountains and give him a a severe beating and warning never to return to the area. His flat is trashed and he never returns. Victim and her family are no longer harrassed. Local Guards know about it and are quite content, because they know how much of a little scum bag this guy was.

I say fair play to these guys who took it upon themselves to punish this cretin. However You'd probably prefer the victim contiued to suffer just so you could stay perched on your higher moral ground!

I hope you are never in the position this poor family was. However, if you were I wonder would your opinions change.

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 05:33PM

RMD wrote: »

1. I walk the length of Marlborough street twice a day, arguably one of the "scummiest" streets in Dublin, yet have never been asked for bus fare and in the last 4 years of walking it daily, the worst I've heard is a junkie say "****in pakies" under his breath.

Hmm perhaps you don't look like you have any money?

RMD wrote: »

2. Sorry, absolute bull****. Paris is arguably more dangerous for tourists or it's citizens than Dublin is. There's suburbs in Paris where a tourist will be lucky to last an hour without being mugged, Les Bosquets for an example, the heart of the 2005 Paris riots is notoriously dangerous, watch McIntyres "worlds most dangerous cities" to gain an idea into what Paris is like away from the center of the city, far more dangerous than Dublin is..

Wow your using suburbs as your yard stick?? Dublins CITY CENTRE, is a hole compared to Paris city centre. Go to Dublins mainstreet O'connell street now and you'll see dozens of junkies and drunks loitering about. Or even better, take a walk along Eden Quay or the Board Walk! Scum central. The Guards can't move these people on! These are areas were tourists go!

You wanna talk about suburbs?? You don't get much worse than Tallaght, Ballyfermot or Darndale. Some of these people are feral. Anyway If a tourist is dumb enough to wonder around suburbs in any strange city, then they're likely find trouble.

tbh · 16-10-2009 05:35PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Actually, where I work we take numerous calls from people complaining about crime and in-justice. It was in fact my office that campaigned for numerous proposals on justice reform to be brought before the dail. So again, I disagree when you say the vast majority of people wouldn't support zero tolerance. Wait until the next elections. Then we'll see who's right.

As for the bat I hope your right, I hope I never have to use it. But rising crime rates say differently.

Dishing out my own brand of justice... Do you have any idea how common this is in Ireland?? Even the Guards turn a blind eye, becuase they know their hands are tied.

Ill give you an example, a scum bag rapist rapes a young girl and beats her to within an inch or her life. He serves less than a year in prison. Comes out and starts harrassing the victim and her family. Guards are called but they can't do anything becuase they is no real evidence that its him (even though everybody knows it is him and his scum bag mates). So a group of people from the area get together, drag the little rat out of his house bring him to the Dublin mountains and give him a a severe beating and warning never to return to the area. His flat is trashed and he never returns. Victim and her family are no longer harrassed. Local Guards know about it and are quite content, because they know how much of a little scum bag this guy was.

I say fair play to these guys who took it upon themselves to punish this cretin. However You'd probably prefer the victim contiued to suffer just so you could stay perched on your higher moral ground!

This isn't a valid argument. It is illogical to say that because I don't agree with vigilantism, I don't care about crime. It's like claiming that just because I wouldn't slit a dogs throat if he messed on my floor, I don't have a problem with him messing my floor. That's the problem with people like you. You don't seem to be able to process complex arguments, so instead you reduce them down to their simplest forms and pick a black or white option.. Then, when you insist on having your say, you just contribute noise - your proposal isn't practical, it's not wanted, it's not needed and all it does is give people an excuse not to talk about the more difficult questions.

I hope you are never in the position this poor family was. However, if you were I wonder would your opinions change.

Again, a ridiculous argument that shows you don't understand the situation. This is exactly why we don't let the victims of crime punish the perpetrators. Two wrongs don't make a right - you can shout PC as much as you want, but that is what the Irish people, on the whole, believe. That's why your actions would be illegal - because that's the way the Irish people want it.

What party do you support? I don't know of one that thinks vigilantism is ok.

tbh · 16-10-2009 05:37PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

. Anyway If a tourist is dumb enough to wonder around suburbs in any strange city, then they're likely find trouble.

but but but you said this wasn't a problem in European cities. In fact, all you've done there is shown you've probably never been in one.

Size=everything · 16-10-2009 05:38PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

You wanna talk about suburbs?? You don't get much worse than Tallaght, Ballyfermot or Darndale. Some of these people are feral. Anyway If a tourist is dumb enough to wonder around suburbs in any strange city, then they're likely find trouble.

The suburbs in Paris make Tallaght and Darndale look like Dalkey. Also in regards city centre, you are far more likely to get pickpocketed and mugged in Paris. Go to Montmorte and look at all the characters walking around waiting for opportunities to mug tourists.

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 05:51PM

tbh wrote: »

This isn't a valid argument. It is illogical to say that because I don't agree with vigilantism, I don't care about crime. It's like claiming that just because I wouldn't slit a dogs throat if he messed on my floor, I don't have a problem with him messing my floor. That's the problem with people like you. You don't seem to be able to process complex arguments, so instead you reduce them down to their simplest forms and pick a black or white option.. Then, when you insist on having your say, you just contribute noise - your proposal isn't practical, it's not wanted, it's not needed and all it does is give people an excuse not to talk about the more difficult questions..

Lol just the answer I expected. I know your type. Process complex arguments?? I think you suffer from inflated ego becuase you have presented no argument never mind a complex one. You think you're intellectual but you're not. You're unoriginal. Probaly sitting on a couch smoking a blunt listening to Bob Dylan. Pointless. You have actually come up with NO answers to these problems! None at all. You avoid doing this by sticking your head in the sand and pretending everything is going fine!

tbh wrote: »

Again, a ridiculous argument that shows you don't understand the situation. This is exactly why we don't let the victims of crime punish the perpetrators. Two wrongs don't make a right - you can shout PC as much as you want, but that is what the Irish people, on the whole, believe. That's why your actions would be illegal - because that's the way the Irish people want it...

At least I put some solutions on the table which is more than can be said for you. Also , you have no idea what the Irish people want becuase they have
have not spoken yet. As I said before, wait for the next General election , you're in for a big surprise.

tbh wrote: »

What party do you support? I don't know of one that thinks vigilantism is ok.

Im Fine Gael. You'd be surprised how many people support vigilantism behind the scenes. You'd also be sursprised at how many Guards turn a blind eye to it! The justice system is the problem!

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 05:53PM

tbh wrote: »

but but but you said this wasn't a problem in European cities. In fact, all you've done there is shown you've probably never been in one.

Its not a problem. They keep their scum away from the cities main tourist attractions which is more than we do.

tbh · 16-10-2009 06:04PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Lol just the answer I expected. I know your type. Process complex arguments?? I think you suffer from inflated ego becuase you have presented no argument never mind a complex one. You think you're intellectual but you're not.

I'm a lot smarter than you

Seriously, you can rant and rave all you want, I don't mind because it doesn't affect me. Your style of "justice" will never be accepted, and you can bark all day little doggy, but you'll never bite. If acting out the internet hardman persona is your thing, have at it sir.

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 06:19PM

tbh wrote: »

I'm a lot smarter than you Seriously, you can rant and rave all you want, I don't mind because it doesn't affect me. Your style of "justice" will never be accepted, and you can bark all day little doggy, but you'll never bite. If acting out the internet hardman persona is your thing, have at it sir.

Lol "im a lot smarter than you"! its like something a 7 year old child would say. Which is fitting considering your previous attempts at being intellectual.

Me thinks you're a little bit deluded lol

I never proclaimed to be hardman. I am however a realist. If your perceive this as acting the "hardman" than that says more about you than it does me.

Don't be disheartened by your failings though, you will always be brilliant at making terrible assumptions and dodging giving direct answers.

Thats why when people have problems in the REAL world they come to me not you!

TBH?? perhaps you should start being honest with yourself!

Ace2007 · 16-10-2009 06:35PM

Lads yous are wasting your time tryin to talk sense to Rondolfus

Rondolfus · 16-10-2009 06:41PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Lads yous are wasting your time tryin to talk sense to Rondolfus

Yea lads, Mr Brains (Ace2007) pulled out his best argument, "STFU" if I remember correctly, and that didn't work so what chance has anyone else. :pac:

How is Barcode Fairview still open???

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