Bottled Water

BeatNikDub · 15-10-2009 05:31PM

Jaysus, what I was thinking and trying to say was that drinking that ****e is dehydrating you and rehydrating you, apologies!

Fixed now

Catari Jaguar · 15-10-2009 05:46PM

Coca Cola adds sodium to River Rock so that you stay thirsty and drink more. Satan's marketing scam if ever I heard one. I can imagine that board meeting *Say, how can we exploit natures most precious and pure natural resource for cash?* You should also see out how much sugar they put in Minute Maid orange juice. If you need something to drink in McDonalds (where only Coca-Cola products are served) you'd probably be safest drinking from the tap.... or toilet bowl

Joey the lips · 15-10-2009 05:50PM

walshb wrote: »

Yeh, but do you waste a Euro or more in getting the child the bottle, or do you say, "wait till we get home and you can drink all the water you want.":p

I suppose wasting ONCE is okay, and from then on, bring a bottle of water with you every time

I dont mind buying it if it keeps him off sugar but tbh i never considered the sodium levels above but will now,

BeatNikDub · 15-10-2009 06:15PM

The worst I have come across are River Rock, Ballygowan, Kerry Spring and Nash's Spring water.

I only found out about this from the migraine association of Ireland, they warn regular sufferers to check the sodium levels in their water intake. You may be drinking loads of water and thinking you are doing the right thing when really you need to check the label as you could be doing more harm than good!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 15-10-2009 10:27PM

walshb wrote: »

I started to read you rant, but after a few lines, I got bored. Me thinks you are a water company executive, because you are taking this far too seriously. Either that, or you really are a mug, or. a yuppy!

I am unemployed.
There's no need to get personal and insult me. Where and when did I insult you?

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

+1

in a country where tap water is freely available , bottled water is luxury and there should be a green tax on it, especially since the margins are enormous.

I would agree to this if the water was somewhat drinkable. It is ok in some places, but most it is not.

Also we don't need to drink as much water as the ads would suggest, the original research done in the 40's was for active military personnel and included water content in food as well as other beverages

We do need to drink quite a lot, depending on what we do. I drink about half a litre a day, it's not a lot but when I was working I drank up to 4 litres a day in the summer...

walshb wrote: »

Hey, you need to slow down and relax. I never said that there wasn't any plastic in the paper tetra paks. I simply said, that milk from the plastic containers is not at all nice and the plastic taste is discernible. I personally do not buy milk from these plastic containers because the taste is altered far too much for my liking.

Slow down? Relax? You seem to think that it's ok for you to be able to taste the differance, but for others, they are brainwashed "mugs"...

I can't taste the plastic off milk or water. I don't drink milk raw so I don't taste the differance. I don't drink a lot of milk either, so it is pretty hard to tell the differance. If I did drink a lot it's possible I could notice the differance, oh, look this is exactly how I view water... now can you think from another persons point of view? Can you see now how bottled water can taste better than tapped water?

Auvers wrote: »

don’t need proof just common sense

No it's not, it's a theory, guess work and wrong

think about it the company bottles the water, its then moved to a staging area for delivery, then a truck takes the water and distributes it to just say Tesco’s distribution centre there it remains until another truck comes and collects it for delivery to whatever shop its intended for, there it remains until all stock is consumed on the shop floor and then eventually the bottle makes it to the shop floor. So it will take at least 6 weeks from production to point of sale and thats a best guess estimate, but I think it would be a lot longer than 6 weeks sitting around on pallets

No time frame at all just assumptions and guesswork. Which is uesless. Oh and I don't buy from tescoe

Where do you get the figures from exactly?

You think it would take 6 months to get a crate of bottled water from france to the shelf in ireland? Highly doubtful. In fact, it's probably very very rare that this happens.

Kipperhell wrote: »

You are basically saying your taste is refined enough so you can taste the difference in water yet you think that plastic other people taste is nonsense? Amazing how your taste buds are so in tune to be just at the right range as to denote such tastes of water but not plastics. How likely is that versus it being a mental construct maybe even subconscious

Yes, I can taste the differance between water, and I cannot taste the plastic bottle off the water. Hard to believe? Maybe it is your subconcious telling you there is a taste off the bottle?

If you are so sure you can tell the difference do the blind taste test. You are pretty sure of yourself about this but I find it strange you think you are not influenced by the environment around you. The few taste tests I saw included people sure they could tell the difference and when all things were equal they failed to do so. It doesn't really matter about their tasting abilities they had the same view as you but were proved to not to be able to tell the difference.

I don't need to do any "tests" I know the differance between waters, hence my favourite choice is Volvic. I love it. Pour A glass of volvic and a glass of tap water from dublin and I will know the differance 10 out of 10 times, guaranteed.

The mind is easily tricked and unreliable. An ad in America showed a nostalgic vision of children drinking large glass bottles of a branded soft drink and was set in the 50s. While doing market research for the brand the company had people saying they always preferred it out of the big old glass bottles. It turns out the product had never been sold in big glass bottles ever and it was just in the ad. It is just like the placebo effect and nobody should think they are immune from such things.

It's quite possible to be immune from these things. Why can't people understand that I have a preference for certain types of water over others, when people claim "water is tasteless". This claim is 100% wrong. I put it down to ignorance, just because you and most others think it is impossible to tell the differance, you think everyone else is the same or should be, and if they claim they can taste the differance it is some marketing ploy, or they are lying...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 15-10-2009 11:02PM

Kipperhell wrote: »

You didn't actually fall for the sales pitch with the electric current through water did you? I think you will find if you ran you new pure water through another filter it would also be discoloured in the manner described. Do you really think our bodies have adapted in a way that requires water to be filtered in order for you to drink it?

Why is it, that when somebody chooses to buy something that you disagree with, they fell for some "pitch" or "ploy" maybe they like the fcuking taste of it and aren't as simple minded as some folk? What's it to ya if we or anybody else likes the taste of filtered water? You assume that everyone filters their water for health benifits and that we don't think our bodies can handle the water? We like the fcuking taste of filtered water, there's too many thick skulls in this thread that can't understand that.

spoonbadger wrote: »

It's water, not wine. It should and does taste of nothing. You CANT taste french volcanoes, no matter what the marketing ploys tell you . Also, all bottled water is muck for the price you pay. It's not a rare commodity :pac:.

Water tastes of water, treated water tastes like chemicals and fresh/purified water doesn't.

Chicken tastes of chicken and sugar tastes of sugar... what the hell are you talking about? Everything has a taste, however small a taste that may be is a differant matter. For me, volvic has a massive amount of taste in it. I don't give a sh!t where it comes from, if it's from the moon or whatever. It tastes nice, how many times do we have to say this...

Impossible to debate with bigots...

walshb wrote: »

+1

The best option of the lot if in doubt is to filter your tap water and it's not an expensive process, but this crap of going down the local shop to buy bottled water at 1 Euro and upwards, that has probably been lying in a warehouse for weeks on end is IMO just yuppiness. How the hell did we ever survive before this con came?:rolleyes:

200 euro is expensive, especially when it's not your house.

Oh, more assumptions... :rolleyes:

kowloon · 15-10-2009 11:09PM

I reckon most people who prefer bottled water just like it because it's usually chilled.
That said, I have a water treatment system that treats the hard water from the well that makes the water taste pissy, I take drinking water from the tap before the water enters the system and use the treated water for everything else. Some water does taste really chemical, the water is toxic in some city areas and those group scheme supplies.

Strings.ie · 16-10-2009 12:13AM

Kipperhell wrote: »

You didn't actually fall for the sales pitch with the electric current through water did you? I think you will find if you ran you new pure water through another filter it would also be discoloured in the manner described. Do you really think our bodies have adapted in a way that requires water to be filtered in order for you to drink it?

No, I'm aware of that system you mention. My filter is ceramic, it is just a filter, does what it says on the tin.
I like my water to taste of water not chemicals! It shouldn't smell either. Considering we are made of mainly water I think we take for granted how vital water is to our well being. I don't believe the chemical cocktail that comes out of our tap is a good source of drinking water.

Strings.ie · 16-10-2009 12:27AM

moonflower wrote: »

Our tap water started tasting like chlorine around 2 years ago, before that it was grand. It's also got little white things floating in it. So I drink bottled water now.

What happened in Galway two years ago?
Crypto-sporidiosis that's what.
Since then water schemes around Ireland have made darn sure no bugs can survive by using a massive dosage of chlorine. Nice :rolleyes:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 16-10-2009 12:30AM

Strings.ie wrote: »

What happened in Galway two years ago?
Crypto-sporidiosis that's what.
Since then water schemes around Ireland have made darn sure no bugs can survive by using a massive dosage of chlorine. Nice :rolleyes:

Is it not floride they use? Chlorine is the stuff they put in swimming pools, or am I getting mixed up?

Orim · 16-10-2009 01:02AM

Chlorine is used to clean drinking so that any bacteria and what nots will be cleaned. This is used for both tap water and bottled water.

Floride is put into tap water as it's good for the teeth. It has no taste.
IIRC they stopped putting it into water a few years.

wolfric · 16-10-2009 01:23AM

Believe it or not, Dublin doesn't exactly have taps out in the streets for people to go get a drink. Where the hell are we supposed to get water? Most people don't want to bring around bulky water flasks or bags with them everywhere they go.

And on taste and quality, why is everyone acting like tap water is one type of water? tap water is water through a TAP, That's and output not a processing stage. The water comes from different sources and mixes with different materials and chemicals before finally coming out of the tap. To claim it's all the same is ridiculous.

Volvic is the only bottled water i get. Normally i'll carry around a big sports bottle for water every day but just because i've already got a bag with me for college. But if i'm out and about and really thirsty and out of drink, i'll call into a shop for a bottled water i don't see the problem with this.

[sarcasm]You know what the biggest scam is? Food in the city. They're twice as expensive as buying in your local supermarket. You can just bring food from home. In fact i suppose we BAN people selling food in the city.[/sarcasm] Eating in a restaurant is different as there's a bit more to this but let's be honest, who actually pays for the "service" in a coffee shop or spar etc. You just want to get your food and get out.

Paddycrumlinman · 16-10-2009 01:50AM

On my side of the pond bottled water is a necessity. The local water supply is not the best at all.

In many years I have lived here I have never drank water from the tap. I can smell the chemicals the local water company uses to treat the water, for me its so apparent.

Even showering I can smell the chlorine. At this stage I am used to it while showering.

I pay around $40 a month for the privilege of having this type of water supplied to my home.

Only a few of the locals, the die-hards will drink it and I think they have simply adjusted to it.

We bathe and washing dishes with the local water supply but drinking water is from the bottle. Similar to when you visit Spain.

$3.00 for 24 500ml bottles is not bad in all fairness.

When I return home to Dublin for a visit, one of the first things I do is hit the tap water and gulp a beautiful pint of the cold stuff. For me its something I really miss, walking into the kitchen and necking a couple of glasses of water.

I agree with the OP with regards the fall in sales of Bottle Water, it is the biggest rip off you could find.

Where I grew up, we had a pristine water supply and to this day its still beautiful.

Bottled water in Ireland should not have not seen the sales it did at one time. Perfectly good water straight from the tap.

Naos · 16-10-2009 02:06AM

I was in Italy last month, very thirsty and in a rush, I walked into the shop and picked up a 500ml bottle of water.

Handed it to the cashier and and heard "Blahblah viente", so I handed him 1.20e as normal as you do. He had a very confused look on his face as he passed me back the euro.

I also purchased 4L for about 40p there. We're getting unbelievably ripped off.

I buy bottle water for the bottle, not it's contents.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 16-10-2009 02:40AM

No idea what the water is like in crumlin. The price of water used to be a lot more as far as I can remember, competition brought that way down.

Why do people compare contries when comparing the prices of products? It's not a good idea. They are not comparable.

Agent Smith · 16-10-2009 04:40AM

WindSock wrote: »

Has anyone been to Dublin Airport lately? There was a Bling water shop. Bottles from all over the world (yeah right) with swarovski crystals on the bottles. I think the most expensive was €150 or something.

thats the sort of stuff i should start drinking....

robbie_998 · 16-10-2009 04:49AM

Agent Smith wrote: »

thats the sort of stuff i should start drinking....

got any particular ideas what the crystals might be ?

moonflower · 16-10-2009 11:57AM

Strings.ie wrote: »

What happened in Galway two years ago?
Crypto-sporidiosis that's what.
Since then water schemes around Ireland have made darn sure no bugs can survive by using a massive dosage of chlorine. Nice :rolleyes:

I'd rather have the crypto back and the chlorine taste out of the water tbh, you can even taste it in your tea and it's horrible.

Strings.ie · 16-10-2009 12:06PM

moonflower wrote: »

I'd rather have the crypto back and the chlorine taste out of the water tbh, you can even taste it in your tea and it's horrible.

It is but I think people who drink tap water cannot taste it. I used to drink tap water and thought it was ok but since I've had my water filtered I just can't drink regular tap water any more. One tip though - when visiting friends, have coffee instead. That seems to disguise the chemical taste.

moonflower · 16-10-2009 12:12PM

Strings.ie wrote: »

It is but I think people who drink tap water cannot taste it. I used to drink tap water and thought it was ok but since I've had my water filtered I just can't drink regular tap water any more. One tip though - when visiting friends, have coffee instead. That seems to disguise the chemical taste.

The thing is though, the tap water in all my friend's houses and in town tastes fine to me, a little chlorine-y, but bearable. The water in my house seems to be particularly bad

phantom_lord · 16-10-2009 12:18PM

i drink bottled bottled water because it tastes far better than tap water. i wouldn't mind doing a blind taste taste, for a while i was drinking different brands and i could taste the difference, or at least i thought i could. wouldn't mind testing for sure.

Linku wrote: »

That was Dasani, not Riverrock. It's still sold in the US, along with Aquafina and other "purified" or "treated" waters.

Also, the Irish Times article refers to Penn & Teller as one person, Penn Teller :pac:

i had that aquafina stuff in vegas, awful stuff. you could tell it was just ridic purified water, it was like drinking deionized water.

Kipperhell · 16-10-2009 12:36PM

Yareli Tangy Mercury wrote: »

I am unemployed.
You think it would take 6 months to get a crate of bottled water from france to the shelf in ireland? Highly doubtful. In fact, it's probably very very rare that this happens.

I worked with distribution and I can assure you it can spend longer than 6 months in the bottle as a regular occurrence not a rarity

Yareli Tangy Mercury wrote: »

Yes, I can taste the differance between water, and I cannot taste the plastic bottle off the water. Hard to believe? Maybe it is your subconcious telling you there is a taste off the bottle?

I never said I can taste the plastic bottle with water I said some people say they can. I would say that milk in a plastic bottle tastes different though but that is from memory but it is a different plastic to bottled water too. It could have to do with the insulation properties of that plastic and the effect temperature has on milk.

Yareli Tangy Mercury wrote: »

I don't need to do any "tests" I know the differance between waters, hence my favourite choice is Volvic. I love it. Pour A glass of volvic and a glass of tap water from dublin and I will know the differance 10 out of 10 times, guaranteed.

If you are so sure why are you so adamant that you can tell in a blind taste test why are you so touchy about the suggestion to actually test your taste buds? I used to do blind beer taste tests and it is quite surprising how normal people can't even tell their favourite brand yet are devoted in their belief it is superior to others.

Yareli Tangy Mercury wrote: »

It's quite possible to be immune from these things. Why can't people understand that I have a preference for certain types of water over others, when people claim "water is tasteless". This claim is 100% wrong. I put it down to ignorance, just because you and most others think it is impossible to tell the differance, you think everyone else is the same or should be, and if they claim they can taste the differance it is some marketing ploy, or they are lying...

I haven't said it is 100% wrong or impossible, I am doubtful you can tell given what I have seen and experienced myself. As people are generally susceptible to tricks of the mind I see it more likely.

You are being extremely aggressive with everybody who disagrees with you or suggests you can't tell the difference. Try to have a moderate understanding of what is being said.

It is an extraordinary claim to say you have perfecting tuned taste buds that have a range precise to water but discounting the taste of containers and also have a superior mind to the majority. All possible but not probable

In relation to beer and soft drinks, plastic, aluminium and glass containers are often cited as effecting the flavour. This is a commonly accepted belief I am not so sure why you are in such disbelief about this? You might actually like the taste of the plastic have you considered that?

MKMaguire · 16-10-2009 01:07PM

Next time you are near an office/shop bottled water cooler ... just watch it in operation.

Say an office location ... a number of people are working there breathing out all kinds of 'yokies' (germs?) ... one goes to that cooler, takes a cup and fills ... watch the intake of 'stale / contanimated' air into that bottled water ... ie. thos bubbles? Depending on usage, this bottle can be there for hours trapping all those germs within!! And you want to drink from it, yuch!

Be safe drink 'tap water' only, perhaps with an added filter 'on line' so ALL usage benefits. Also avoid those 'filter jugs' ... same problem as bottle, retains germs!

MickMacca · 16-10-2009 01:18PM

bottled water is like, so not cool.

It was cool a few years ago, however a few adverts later it is "so not cool".

xzanti · 16-10-2009 01:19PM

I buy a 2ltr in Centra for 69c each day, simply because I work on a building site and I don't trust the water from the tap (tis yella) other than that the water from my tap at home is fine.. specially in winter.. nice and frosty

MickMacca · 16-10-2009 01:25PM

xzanti wrote: »

I buy a 2ltr in Centra for 69c each day, simply because I work on a building site and I don't trust the water from the tap (tis yella)

So what you are basically saying is this "f'uck the environment, f'uck our childrens children, I am going to put my health and well being before everyone else".

Have you no social conscience??

eightyfish · 16-10-2009 01:29PM

For me it's very simple.

Buying Irish bottled water as a convenience if fine. I carry a bottle of tap water with me when I have a bag, but if I don't have it I'd rather buy a bottle of water with my sandwich than a bottle of fanta.

Buying bottled water that has been flown to Ireland from any other country, be it France of Fiji, is a disgrace. It's bad enough that we're destroying the atmosphere for transport and electricity without doing it to move ubiquitous drinking water around the globe.

Naikon · 16-10-2009 01:39PM

The line that reads 'volvic bottles are intended for the use of volvic water only. Do not refill' always
cracks me up. I don't buy bottled water unless I am stuck.

Just fill up an old bottle with water from drinking fountains around public areas.
Not going to kill you. Bottled water at home with a perfectly good tap is nonsense.

The irony of bottled water nuts probably laughed at Mr Ballygowan initially.
Bottled water craze -> Celtic tiger ireland.

xzanti · 16-10-2009 02:18PM

MickMacca wrote: »

So what you are basically saying is this "f'uck the environment, f'uck our childrens children, I am going to put my health and well being before everyone else".

In a nutshell

drkpower · 16-10-2009 02:24PM

xzanti wrote: »

I buy a 2ltr in Centra for 69c each day, simply because I work on a building site and I don't trust the water from the tap (tis yella) other than that the water from my tap at home is fine.. specially in winter.. nice and frosty

Refill your bottle with water from the tap at home.
If your home tapwater is yella, you might want to sort that out.....

If you care not for the environment, dont you wonder about your pocket? Spending the bones of a couple of hundred euro/year for something that comes out of a tap seems a little stoopid to me.......?

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