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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread [mod warning #11145, #32140 (see OP)]

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  • #7262
    Karmafaerie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Karmafaerie


    If Citeh do make the offer.
    And the Yanks do sell.

    I can see Rafa going.


  • #7263
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Pfft!

    If Benni was having moan about starting ganmes for Liverpool where does he think he'll be in Citys Order of the Pecking?

    Non story.


  • #7264
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    mike65 wrote: »
    Non story.

    absolutely.

    but just to re-iterate, they can still f*** right off if they're even contemplating it.


  • #7265
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Karmafaerie wrote: »
    If Citeh do make the offer.
    And the Yanks do sell.

    I can see Rafa going.

    Just to play devils advocate, really? I mean Yossi is great and has been very consistent, but if Man City made a mental offer for him would Rafa really be against selling him (assuming the money would go into his transfer funds that is)?

    I could only see Rafa fighting tooth and nail to prevent Stevie G and Torres from going, and walking if the players were sold against his will, any other player not so much.


  • #7266
    spockety
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Just to play devils advocate, really? I mean Yossi is great and has been very consistent, but if Man City made a mental offer for him would Rafa really be against selling him (assuming the money would go into his transfer funds that is)?

    I could only see Rafa fighting tooth and nail to prevent Stevie G and Torres from going, and walking if the players were sold against his will, any other player not so much.

    Er, are we talking about the same Rafa here (lampshade instead of a table)?

    He would walk if any player was sold against his wishes, on principle, I'd say.


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  • #7267
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    more importantly Spockety!
    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    (assuming the money would go into his transfer funds that is)?

    we talking about the same yanks here?!:eek:;)


  • #7268
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    spockety wrote: »
    Er, are we talking about the same Rafa here (lampshade instead of a table)?

    He would walk if any player was sold against his wishes, on principle, I'd say.

    I know, what I meant is, would he even be against the selling of Yossi if an absolutely mental offer came in? He could well agree with the Yanks you know. :P


  • #7269
    NukaCola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,983 ✭✭✭✭NukaCola


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Just to play devils advocate, really? I mean Yossi is great and has been very consistent, but if Man City made a mental offer for him would Rafa really be against selling him (assuming the money would go into his transfer funds that is)?

    I could only see Rafa fighting tooth and nail to prevent Stevie G and Torres from going, and walking if the players were sold against his will, any other player not so much.

    I think Rafa should hold on to every player he has TBH.
    The money will not be put back into a transfer kitty so there would be no point in cashing in on any player to service debts by our so called owners, who as far i can tell own **** all...


  • #7270
    missingtime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    I hate international weeks....


  • #7271
    Karmafaerie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭Karmafaerie


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Just to play devils advocate, really? I mean Yossi is great and has been very consistent, but if Man City made a mental offer for him would Rafa really be against selling him (assuming the money would go into his transfer funds that is)?

    I could only see Rafa fighting tooth and nail to prevent Stevie G and Torres from going, and walking if the players were sold against his will, any other player not so much.

    The money wouldn't come back to Rafa to spend though, and even if it did, he would have to use some of it to cover all the legal costs, and signing on fees, and admin charges.

    If he got £10 mill for Benni (who's worth a hell of a lot more IMO, and I'm just picking a random figure), then the most he'd have to spend is £5 mill.


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  • #7272
    Bandit12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Bandit12


    Everyone knows it's a non story but that does'nt take from the fact if the proper bid came in the owners will sell. Money rules football not love of the game.


  • #7273
    Sir Gallagher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Bandit12 wrote: »
    Everyone knows it's a non story but that does'nt take from the fact if the proper bid came in the owners will sell. Money rules football not love of the game.

    I'm by no means the yanks biggest fan but come on, you're talking pony, how can you possibly know the yanks "will" sell if theres a decent offer put in for Yossi? If that's the case why didn't they take the 60m for Torres during the summer.

    I'm all for a bit of Randolph and Mortimer bashing, there's enough stuff that they've done which warrents our disdain but to start pinning sh1t on them they haven't done is just sensationalist, leave that carry-on to the rags.


  • #7274
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    That will be last straw if we sell Yossi. We might as well throw in the towel if we continue like this.


  • #7275
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    Sir Gallagher wrote: »
    I'm by no means the yanks biggest fan but come on, you're talking pony, how can you possibly know the yanks "will" sell if theres a decent offer put in for Yossi? If that's the case why didn't they take the 60m for Torres during the summer.

    I'm all for a bit of Randolph and Mortimer bashing, there's enough stuff that they've done which warrents our disdain but to start pinning sh1t on them they haven't done is just sensationalist, leave that carry-on to the rags.

    You can't argue with this man.
    bayviewclose wrote: »
    That will be last straw if we sell Yossi. We might as well throw in the towel if we continue like this.

    Carry on like what exactly? It is not as if Rafa has been forced to sell a single player, is it?


  • #7276
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,092 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    The Yank bashing is definitely getting ridiculous and a bit embarrassing.


  • #7277
    missingtime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    Tusky wrote: »
    The Yank bashing is definitely getting ridiculous and a bit embarrassing.

    kinda agree here. they piss me off something shocking but the constant name calling is a bit much


  • #7278
    Dub13
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    Them yank cowboys deserve everything they get IMO,they are destroying our club.


  • #7279
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,092 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    Dub13 wrote: »
    Them yank cowboys deserve everything they get IMO,they are destroying our club.

    True - but it dilutes the argument when you blame them for everything. Just turns into a witch hunt which benefits noone.


  • #7280
    Spiritoftheseventies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭Spiritoftheseventies


    Tusky wrote: »
    True - but it dilutes the argument when you blame them for everything. Just turns into a witch hunt which benefits noone.
    Yes it is hard to know who is at fault here. Rafa messed up on the Alonso situation but at same time Americans and board room have not been up front in their dealings.
    Go behind his back to talk to Klinsmann was low IMO.


  • #7281
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    i cant believe there are people defending the yanks :(

    considering they are taking any money generated from player sales & writing it off their loans i don't think its a huge stretch to think if a generous offer came in for someone like Yossi, they would try & accept if they thought they could get away with it.


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  • #7282
    Bandit12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Bandit12


    Hicks and Gillete must go. Name calling is for childern.


  • #7283
    Bandit12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Bandit12


    Sir Gallagher wrote: »
    I'm by no means the yanks biggest fan but come on, you're talking pony, how can you possibly know the yanks "will" sell if theres a decent offer put in for Yossi? If that's the case why didn't they take the 60m for Torres during the summer.

    I'm all for a bit of Randolph and Mortimer bashing, there's enough stuff that they've done which warrents our disdain but to start pinning sh1t on them they haven't done is just sensationalist, leave that carry-on to the rags.
    Of course they would. Every player has a price. If City came back with a 100m quid bid this January do you honestly think Hicks and Gillete would'nt sell. Come on get with the times.


  • #7284
    deadhead13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13


    Tusky wrote: »
    The Yank bashing is definitely getting ridiculous and a bit embarrassing.

    I'd be inclined to think it is the Yanks themselves who are ridiculous and more than a bit embarrassing.


  • #7285
    el rabitos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭el rabitos


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    i cant believe there are people defending the yanks :(

    considering they are taking any money generated from player sales & writing it off their loans i don't think its a huge stretch to think if a generous offer came in for someone like Yossi, they would try & accept if they thought they could get away with it.

    its their club, the don't have to "try & accept it".

    their priority is to run the club as a business first and foremost, reduce the debt, build a stadium and sell the club on at a massive profit.

    this is not defending them, this is just how it is.

    as i've outlayed a few posts above. its going to take a monumental investment to get rid of these guys and build the stadium. so the sooner they chip away and reduce that debt the better chance we have of potentially seeing them gone.


  • #7286
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Fair enough, lets get rid of Stevie & Fernando in the summer so.


  • #7287
    dannydiamond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭dannydiamond


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Just to play devils advocate, really? I mean Yossi is great and has been very consistent, but if Man City made a mental offer for him would Rafa really be against selling him (assuming the money would go into his transfer funds that is)?

    Of course he would because as simple as it sounds,we need him.


  • #7288
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    People defending the yanks, oh lord. What has this thread and irish reds in general come to?


  • #7289
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    el rabitos wrote: »
    its their club, the don't have to "try & accept it".

    their priority is to run the club as a business first and foremost, reduce the debt, build a stadium and sell the club on at a massive profit.

    this is not defending them, this is just how it is.

    as i've outlayed a few posts above. its going to take a monumental investment to get rid of these guys and build the stadium. so the sooner they chip away and reduce that debt the better chance we have of potentially seeing them gone.

    No its our club. Without the people there would be no club. They are running it on our behalf, and if we feel its no being run properly the we will/should complain.


  • #7290
    SlickRic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    Melion wrote: »
    People defending the yanks, oh lord. What has this thread and irish reds in general come to?

    i don't think people are really defending them.

    there's just no point in blaming them for every little thing that happens.

    this all started with me posting the story about City tracking Yossi, and saying they can f*** right off. this is because Yossi is an important player, and Hicks and Gillette may well want to accept an excessive bid if it were ever to come in.

    but they haven't done a thing wrong in terms of this. they haven't sold anyone behind Rafa's back, and we've no reason to believe they would.

    the only basis we have is that they're businessmen, and we believe they would take any money they can get.

    i want them gone as much as anyone, but to blame them for things they haven't done, and to go on yet another rant about them based on this, is a bit farcical, and dilutes the argument a bit imo.


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  • #7291
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    super-rush wrote: »
    No its our club. Without the people there would be no club. They are running it on our behalf, and if we feel its no being run properly the we will/should complain.

    LFC stopped being a club that had anything to do with the people the day they sold it to the Americans. The notion that the fans "own" the club is laughable.


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