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Latest Panasonic TV's and Irish DTT

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  • #32
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    Hello again,

    Could I get back to the Panasonic Tx-P42G10 which I have. I got it mainly for the picture quality, price and built in Freesat/Freeview tuners with the ability to get Irish DTT as a bonus. I have a few questions.

    What is the benefit of RTENL changing to 0x16 setting and what was the setting that allowed the tv to "catch" the Irish channels up to recently.

    Could RTENL change back to the other setting.

    Might Panasonic eventually provide a firmware update to sort things out (when and if the official Irish DTT starts)

    Could getting access to the engineers menu allow for changing the firmware

    Incidentally I have an old Panasonic Freeview STB and it still tunes the Irish DTT channels with no picture of course. The new tv doesn't even do this now!

    Finally what about the Samsung tv's that are being sold at the moment with MPEG4 capability.

    Thanks.


  • #33
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭STB


    tvman wrote: »
    Hello again,

    Could I get back to the Panasonic Tx-P42G10 which I have. I got it mainly for the picture quality, price and built in Freesat/Freeview tuners with the ability to get Irish DTT as a bonus. I have a few questions.

    What is the benefit of RTENL changing to 0x16 setting and what was the setting that allowed the tv to "catch" the Irish channels up to recently.

    Could RTENL change back to the other setting.

    Might Panasonic eventually provide a firmware update to sort things out (when and if the official Irish DTT starts)

    Could getting access to the engineers menu allow for changing the firmware

    Incidentally I have an old Panasonic Freeview STB and it still tunes the Irish DTT channels with no picture of course. The new tv doesn't even do this now!

    Finally what about the Samsung tv's that are being sold at the moment with MPEG4 capability.

    Thanks.

    Your coming at this from the wrong direction. RTE are not the problem, the spec for Ireland is clearly defined. the benefit is not to cause confusion in border/areas of overlap, i would imagine.

    Common problem with the panasonic range of freesat/freeview combos (both the earlier range and yours) is that the service list is not complete as set down in DVB standard. This means they havent followed it.

    Do not go near the engineers menu unless you know what you are doing. It wont allow you edit the firmware anyway. You may be able to patch it with the hotel.pwd solution. First off you will have to find someone in your mux area that has the right settings saved.

    I'd tackle panasonic first before putting myself in a position of voiding the warranty.

    LG LF7700 range are the only range that I knnow of that do all three without problems as the service types have been defined and no shortcuts have been taken.


  • #34
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭STB


    reslfj wrote: »
    What sources do you have to support the above quote?

    I did not write anything about price. More chips are just a few month from general availability in volume.

    Over 50% of UK housholds (12-15 million) will be able to receive HD via DTT before FIFA WC in ZA next summer. That's a huge market.

    Hi Lars and welcome to your favourite subject.:)

    DVB-T2 products will not be available until this time next year. And even then they will not be available "commercially" so. Pricewise they will not be as competitive as their MPEG2 friends that are warehoused all over the UK. Will everyone in the UK be running out to buy this technology for 2/3/4 HD channels. Eh no is the answer. Especially when these stations will continue to be offered and broadcast terrestrially in SD in parallel (and in HD on FREESAT) for many years to come. Its a luxury that many dont see the benefit of in current recessionary times! Add to that the current digital switchover and ASO that the UK are in the middle of and you know that it will be put on the backburner in order NOT to cause any further confusion.

    That is the stark reality of the situation. BTW That 50%!!! wont be watching HD on DVB-T2 - for the few people that have HD TVs they will be watching it on FREESAT HD.
    reslfj wrote: »
    You wrote "the UK DVB-T2 service" and I wrote "...have UK signals in their aerials..."
    This and other sites have had lots of post recently about the Welsh DSO and reception of UK DTT i Ireland.

    How will the non existing Irish DTT service come into these arguments ? :rolleyes:

    Lars :)


    Irish DTT is on and has been for over a year under the guise of engineering tests as the rollout commenced. That a recession kicked in was unfortunate. It certainly threw a spanner in the works from the point pf view of gaining a commercial partner for RTE NL.

    RTE have say 75% coverage at present, that is obviously not a full service and is not being described as such. The Public Service Mux is still on however 1 year later and RTE are mandated to provide it!

    Which is more than can be said for DVB-T2 which is not on, seeks to serve a few unnecessary HD stations and has NO effect for the greater good of the Rep of Ireland as we have adopted OUR own standard in MPEG4 H264 DVB-T.


  • #35
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    tvman wrote: »
    Hello again,

    Could I get back to the Panasonic Tx-P42G10 which I have. I got it mainly for the picture quality, price and built in Freesat/Freeview tuners with the ability to get Irish DTT as a bonus. I have a few questions.

    .

    There is a software update to version 1.612 available for the G10B series via sd card.
    Maybe that update solve your problems, maybe not.
    Its worth a try.


  • #36
    reslfj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭reslfj


    STB wrote: »
    DVB-T2 products will not be available until this time next year. And even then they will not be available "commercially" so.

    That is the stark reality of the situation.

    This is your opinion, but I asked for the sources behind this.

    The information I have indicates a far more speedy roll-out.

    Let me just quote an ANGA pressrelease from September 17 about the cable standard DVB-C2, which shows how deeply Sony is involved in all the 2nd generation standards.

    "Serge Foucher, Executive Vice President Sony Europe, said: “Being a key contributor to the development of the DVB-C2 standard, we hope that the introduction of this technology to the cable networks will deliver a significant increase in capacity, which will be required for the distribution of HD programs. Furthermore, this new cable transmission technology will be well aligned with existing 2nd generation standards such as DVB-T2 and DVB-S2.” "

    And again - I wrote about viewers with access to UK (Welsh) post-DSO DTT signals.

    Lars :)


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  • #37
    mrdtv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭mrdtv


    reslfj wrote: »
    This is your opinion, but I asked for the sources behind this.

    The information I have indicates a far more speedy roll-out.

    Let me just quote an ANGA pressrelease from September 17 about the cable standard DVB-C2, which shows how deeply Sony is involved in all the 2nd generation standards.

    "Serge Foucher, Executive Vice President Sony Europe, said: “Being a key contributor to the development of the DVB-C2 standard, we hope that the introduction of this technology to the cable networks will deliver a significant increase in capacity, which will be required for the distribution of HD programs. Furthermore, this new cable transmission technology will be well aligned with existing 2nd generation standards such as DVB-T2 and DVB-S2.” "

    And again - I wrote about viewers with access to UK (Welsh) post-DSO DTT signals.

    Lars :)

    Lars.

    I don't often agree with you because you are a tad too combative , hectoring and lecturing towards others (perhaps its your youth,cultural background etc, he said with a wry and knowing smile).

    However, in this instance, I tend to agree with you and NOT with STB who takes himself too seriously, just like you also do, and whose opinion can ALSO be safely discounted.

    Here are the facts:

    a) There is NO operational Irish DTT service. Send an email to Cathal Goan and Anne O Connor at RTE to ask them when its coming, can they confirm the launch date, and ask whether there is a clear commitment to support current experimental receivers with software updates. This is so like the 1959-1963 period in Irish TV.

    b) The Freeview MPEG2 service is overspilling into Ireland and this will increase in the next five years. This is the low cost solution for overspill viewers. It will be adopted as its a no-brainer.

    c) UK and Italy are opposed to mandating MPEG4 DVB-T1 in DTT boxes. See the front page of New Media Markets, September 18 2009, Volume 27, Number 33. I will post the link to this in a few minutes. It makes VERY interesting reading.

    d) ROI is a market of 3 million TV sets. Its nearest neighbour, UK is a market of 60 million TV sets.As Bill Clinton said : 'Its the economy, stupid!'

    e) UK subsidiaries are moving towards DVB-T2/DVB-S2 combo boxes: the perfect solution in Ireland:

    a) Freeview DTT overspill

    b) Irish DTT MPEG4, should that launch

    c) Freeview HD

    d) Freesat.


  • #38
    reslfj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭reslfj


    mrdtv wrote: »
    However, in this instance, I tend to agree with you and NOT with STB

    Here are the facts:

    c) UK and Italy are opposed to mandating MPEG4 DVB-T1 in DTT boxes. See the front page of New Media Markets, September 18 2009, Volume 27, Number 33. I will post the link to this in a few minutes. It makes VERY interesting reading.

    Responses to EU Digital Dividend consultation.
    mrdtv wrote: »
    d) ROI is a market of 3 million TV sets. Its nearest neighbour, UK is a market of 60 million TV sets.As Bill Clinton said : 'Its the economy, stupid!'

    e) UK subsidiaries are moving towards DVB-T2/DVB-S2 combo boxes: the perfect solution in Ireland:

    It sure is the economy - now more than ever. But it is not the economy of individual early adapters, but the economy looking forward for the broadcasters and for new DTT viewers in need of a new STB/IDTV.

    Even DVB-T2/DVB-C2/DVB-S2 is a likely option.
    DVB-C2 is expected to be in 'production' silicon by May next year. and STB's by September (IFA-Berlin / IBC10)
    mrdtv wrote: »
    d) Freesat.

    Freesat is not a ROI service and it can only be received as 'overspill'. It may not work in all of ROI when the next '2D' satillite is put into operation. You and I can watch 'overspill', but an independent nation must have an agreement and no TV broadcast is not an option.

    I have not traveled much in Ireland, but I have been in several locations in Wales where Freesat is below the next hill.

    Lars :)


  • #39
    slegs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭slegs


    Its a pointless argument as DVB-T2 is a future technology not a now technology. The UK can afford to go with DVB-T2 for HD as they have an existing service at the moment. They will expect very low takeup of the Freeview HD service in the short term up to 2 years.

    Ireland on the other hand needs to rollout now (however late they are) with no exisiting service. Choosing DVB-T2 means there would be even less equipment available for consumers to purchase than the current DVB-T/MPEG4 option. I have not seen a single STB or TV on the market only announcements of a Humax box for the trial rollout that will happen in one region in the UK at the end of the year.

    Non runner and a ridiculous argument as the spec is already decided.


  • #40
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    There is a software update to version 1.612 available for the G10B series via sd card.
    Maybe that update solve your problems, maybe not.
    Its worth a try.

    Thanks for the replies,

    Basically you are saying that the tv hasn't got the full software installed and when RTENL change their "settings" the tv cannot "see" the channels.
    (Maybe they will change back to the previous settings which gave me the channels for the past month)

    If I wanted to, where could I get that software update to version 1.612 - is it from another Panasonic G10B owner?

    Thanks again.


  • #41
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Please stop with the DVB-T2 debate. It's not happening here, and is irrelevant. Besides, this is supposedly about Panny TV's


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  • #42
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    tvman wrote: »

    If I wanted to, where could I get that software update to version 1.612 - is it from another Panasonic G10B owner?

    Ask Panasonic UK for a sd card with the update or prepare your own sd card. Download from here:
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/1078415-g10-firmware-1-612-uk-only.html


  • #43
    Mark#1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Mark#1


    Aren't we very nearly, if not already, at the point where a TV is simply a display device?

    Specially when most (all?) TVs on sale now are either HD Ready or Full HD, and most users (?) will have some sort of external tuner (Sky/NTL/Freesat/DTT, as well as DVD/BD players, games consoles, etc.).

    If we changed our perception of what role a TV plays in our AV set-up, then we wouldn't need to get so caught up on what tuners are/aren't built into the TVs.

    FWIW, my TH50PZ80 is a spectacular set. For now, the only HD content I have are those channels on Freesat, but when I watch them, I'm honestly almost speechless. Freesat SD content is brilliant, and even Irish analog terrestrial is pretty good too, as are upscaled DVDs.

    My Pan TV has amazing picture quality, IMO. Sound isn't good, but I knew it wouldn't be, so I have an AV amp/speaker set up too, like many users.

    I look at my Pan TV as an excellent display device, ready to display whatever I connect to it. When a DTT PVR comes out, or when I learn that PS3/PlayTV provides full DTT PVR functionality, that'll be my Irish terrestrial TV tuner. What's in the TV doesn't matter.

    Of course, in the context of Irish DTT and its relevance to/relationship with the UK/European market, that just moves the discussion out of the TV and into the STBs, if you follow me, but IMO that's where the discussion belongs.


    Mark


  • #44
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Mark, I think what is most annoying is that the Panny's have all the hardware required to show Irish DTT, the only reason it can't seems to be a simple software bug.

    The fact that Panny wouldn't fix it shows a great deal of laziness on Panny's part.


  • #45
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I think a lot of manufacturers were waiting for the DVB-T2 Patent Pool to be sorted out, and it finally was about 4 weeks ago

    http://www.sisvel.com/english/news/sisvelevents/presspatpooldvbt2

    I cannot see any TV costing over €700-800 not having DVB-T2 by this time next year and at the €499 price point by 2011 .

    In other words DVB-T development is frozen and any bug fixes will make it into DVB-T2 gear or not at all from now on !


  • #46
    mrdtv
    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭mrdtv


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I think a lot of manufacturers were waiting for the DVB-T2 Patent Pool to be sorted out, and it finally was about 4 weeks ago

    http://www.sisvel.com/english/news/sisvelevents/presspatpooldvbt2

    I cannot see any TV costing over €700-800 not having DVB-T2 by this time next year and at the €499 price point by 2011 .

    In other words DVB-T development is frozen and any bug fixes will make it into DVB-T2 gear or not at all from now on !

    You are probably right. Given the uncertainties over Irish DTT, the economy, and the fact that Panasonic were showcasing DVB-T2 at IBC means that software development on T1 is probably frozen. Like other CE vendors they are feeling the pinch and any s/w development has to be cost justified.


  • #47
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    Thanks for the reply Maxg,

    I did contact Panasonic UK, and I am sure at this stage you will all be very familiar with the reply I received.
    Could I just verify one thing before I reply to Panasonic, when I got the tv (19th August) I enjoyed DVB-T RTE for weeks, then it disappeared. Was RTE broadcasting using MPEG4 for that period or not. If it was Panasonic don't seem to know the spec of their own products!

    Regards,

    Quote:

    Thank you for your e-mail enquiry.

    In response, I would explain that unfortunately our UK models do not include support for DVB-T MPEG 4 broadcasts. Regrettably, there will be no changes in the specification of the product which will allow this in the future.

    I trust that the above information will be of assistance to you. However, of course, if you should have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us by either emailing us at customer.care@panasonic.co.uk, by fax on 01344 853213, or by telephoning our Customer Care Centre on 0844 844 3852.

    Kind Regards
    Anthony Clarke
    Dealer Support / Correspondence Team
    Panasonic UK Ltd


  • #48
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    mrdtv wrote: »
    Like other CE vendors they are feeling the pinch and any s/w development has to be cost justified.

    Mind you we have scammers like ****ing Argos and Maplins and Currys here selling essentially bricked mpeg2 freeview cack while they won't bring in the likes of the Sagem Picnic boxes that actually should work here .

    I make a point of giving out to Maplins staff about it , never go near the other two .


  • #49
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    tvman wrote: »
    Thanks for the reply Maxg,

    I did contact Panasonic UK, and I am sure at this stage you will all be very familiar with the reply I received.
    Could I just verify one thing before I reply to Panasonic, when I got the tv (19th August) I enjoyed DVB-T RTE for weeks, then it disappeared. Was RTE broadcasting using MPEG4 for that period or not. If it was Panasonic don't seem to know the spec of their own products!

    Regards,

    Nobody in Ireland tried and reported about the software update 1.612 for the G10B range. The update was released for other purposes but there is a chance the DTT problem is also fixed. You should try that update first before you complain to Panasonic about the missing irish dtt support.


  • #50
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    I am very reluctant to install any software updates without being sure of the results, implications for warranty etc.
    This link lists updates for various Panasonic tv's, but my model isn't listed.
    http://www.pasctraining.panasonic.com/firmware/Content/Plasma.ASP
    I have downloaded the file SDDL.SEC referred to in a UK forum, but really am scared to use it!


  • #51
    maxg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭maxg


    The file from the UK forum is the official update from Panasonic UK for the G10B range.
    If you complain about PS3 problems with 1080p50/P60 output you will get a SD card with exactly the same file on it from panasonic uk.


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  • #52
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭STB


    mrdtv wrote: »
    You are probably right. Given the uncertainties over Irish DTT, the economy, and the fact that Panasonic were showcasing DVB-T2 at IBC means that software development on T1 is probably frozen. Like other CE vendors they are feeling the pinch and any s/w development has to be cost justified.


    600px-Digital_broadcast_standards.svg.png

    The counties in blue are the countries using DVB-T (as distinct from dvb-t2).

    Panasonic (an international electronics manufacturer) probably have frozen software development globally on DVB-T in favour of selling all of their TVs in UK and as DVB-T2 only. :)

    Is DVB-T2 mandatory in the UK right now ? Does that mean worldwide production of DVB-T is doomed ?:rolleyes:

    Anywayyzz, We have a different standard to the UK.

    The serious chap.


  • #53
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    Back to my Panasonic TX-P42G10 tv, RTE ONE, TWO and TV3 have appeared again when I did a manual tune on ch53 this evening (Monday 15th), no TG4 or digital text this time and the radio services are listed, but with no actual service.
    Still find it strange that Panasonic helpline insist that the tv doesn't support MPEG4 reception.
    :confused:Wonder how long will it last this time also if I do not retune will the tv retain the Irish tv channels.


  • #54
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭STB


    tvman wrote: »
    Back to my Panasonic TX-P42G10 tv, RTE ONE, TWO and TV3 have appeared again when I did a manual tune on ch53 this evening (Monday 15th), no TG4 or digital text this time and the radio services are listed, but with no actual service.
    Still find it strange that Panasonic helpline insist that the tv doesn't support MPEG4 reception.
    :confused:Wonder how long will it last this time also if I do not retune will the tv retain the Irish tv channels.

    You could try to back it up to an SD card like with the original pani freesat/dvb-t tuner range.


  • #55
    MustangMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭MustangMick


    tvman wrote: »
    Back to my Panasonic TX-P42G10 tv, RTE ONE, TWO and TV3 have appeared again when I did a manual tune on ch53 this evening (Monday 15th), no TG4 or digital text this time and the radio services are listed, but with no actual service.
    Still find it strange that Panasonic helpline insist that the tv doesn't support MPEG4 reception.
    :confused:Wonder how long will it last this time also if I do not retune will the tv retain the Irish tv channels.

    Thankyou very much.
    Auto-retuned both my Freesat and Freeview channels on my TX-P42G10B.
    I now receive RTE1,RTE2,TV3 and TG4 as Digital Terrestrial channels. This is from Clermont Cairn I suppose as I'm based in Dundalk. Great picture. No text so far but very happy in the meantime.

    By the way I got a much better price on my P42G10B at a small shop in Markethill, Co. Armagh than at either Currys or Argos. Check out the smaller stores rather than the large multiples if you are buying North of the border.

    Lots of great advice on this forum, thankyou
    Mick


  • #56
    antomack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭antomack


    Those of you on Cairn Hill should now be able to get the TV stations on Channel 47 or at least I got them back on my sisters PZ81 earlier today.


  • #57
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    MustangMick wrote: »
    Thankyou very much.
    Auto-retuned both my Freesat and Freeview channels on my TX-P42G10B.
    I now receive RTE1,RTE2,TV3 and TG4 as Digital Terrestrial channels. This is from Clermont Cairn I suppose as I'm based in Dundalk. Great picture. No text so far but very happy in the meantime.

    By the way I got a much better price on my P42G10B at a small shop in Markethill, Co. Armagh than at either Currys or Argos. Check out the smaller stores rather than the large multiples if you are buying North of the border.

    Lots of great advice on this forum, thankyou
    Mick

    Hi MustangMick,

    You are the first one to contact me who actually has this tv model. When I first got the tv, it could “see” the Irish channels and tune them in. This lasted for about three weeks, then I did a retune and they were gone. RTENL had made a slight change to their transmission settings – settings that Panasonic TV’s don’t recognise and I lost all the channels.
    Did a retune last week and three of them were back – no TG4, text or radio. I did a further retune later in the week and all were there including text and a test card, the text is on RTE ONE only.
    I contacted RTENL and they say that they are still testing and could not guarantee what setting would finally be used.
    It is really a question for Panasonic to include all settings that RTE may use in their DTT rollout, but as this particular tv is a UK model who knows what they will do.
    Incidentally the Freesat tuner should update itself if any new channels come on the air or change etc.
    I’m not going to retune the DVB tuner just in case I loose the Irish channels again, remains to be seen if this is the thing to do to keep them.
    Finally I got the tv from Dixons where it currently costs £711.00 (Sterling)

    Regards.


  • #58
    tvman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭tvman


    STB wrote: »
    You could try to back it up to an SD card like with the original pani freesat/dvb-t tuner range.

    Hi STB,

    How could I back up the tv settings, do you mean by using a pc, I don't have a pc dvb-t tuner card that recognises MPEG4 standard. The one I have is analogue and MPEG2 only.


  • #59
    MustangMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭MustangMick


    tvman wrote: »
    Hi MustangMick,

    You are the first one to contact me who actually has this tv model. When I first got the tv, it could “see” the Irish channels and tune them in. This lasted for about three weeks, then I did a retune and they were gone. RTENL had made a slight change to their transmission settings – settings that Panasonic TV’s don’t recognise and I lost all the channels.
    Did a retune last week and three of them were back – no TG4, text or radio. I did a further retune later in the week and all were there including text and a test card, the text is on RTE ONE only.
    I contacted RTENL and they say that they are still testing and could not guarantee what setting would finally be used.
    It is really a question for Panasonic to include all settings that RTE may use in their DTT rollout, but as this particular tv is a UK model who knows what they will do.
    Incidentally the Freesat tuner should update itself if any new channels come on the air or change etc.
    I’m not going to retune the DVB tuner just in case I loose the Irish channels again, remains to be seen if this is the thing to do to keep them.
    Finally I got the tv from Dixons where it currently costs £711.00 (Sterling)

    Regards.

    Cheers,
    I retuned yesterday and have RTE1 & 2,TV3,TG4 and RTENL channels now on Irish DTT. No more retuning now.......:-)

    We bought ours when they were just launched around Easter. Currys were looking for around £1150 for the P42G10B we got it elsewhere for £980.

    Great TV and an excellent price now at £711

    Cheers
    Mick


  • #60
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭STB


    tvman wrote: »
    Hi STB,

    How could I back up the tv settings, do you mean by using a pc, I don't have a pc dvb-t tuner card that recognises MPEG4 standard. The one I have is analogue and MPEG2 only.

    You dont need one... all you are doing is copying the data including the tuned frequencies from the dvb-t and dvb-s tuners to a data card. It has nothing to do with mpeg2.

    See this thread for the know how. NB* AFAIK You only need to go as far as pt3. And be careful. Read the instructions - you do not want to brick your TV.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055588027&page=3


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  • #61
    SAINTRON
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭SAINTRON


    Just wondering what software upgrade would I need to perform to enable my PZ80B to receive the Irish channels. Any info appreciated, many thanks.....


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