Multicam Debate (Split from Multicam?)

Masada · 05-10-2009 03:24PM

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

I hide in a bush and cry at most skirmishes anyway so its a moot point.

We actually had plans to wrap you up in a multicam jacket yesterday sam, and get a photo out of it.,

twas early in the day and by the end we had forgotten.,

Stercus Accidit · 05-10-2009 03:25PM

I'd lose my temper if that happened :P

Firekitten · 05-10-2009 03:31PM

Masada wrote: »

i can see you in multicam some day Pud, especially with the russians having it now and all.

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Mmmm, for the second time, No, they dont use multicam, or have any intention. The photograph you showed was a demonstration team at an Air show, members of ALFA if I'm not mistaken... The Russians have no plans to date to accept multicam.

And I cant help but laugh at the expression on Puding's face when you suggested him in multicam.... Something between shock, disgust, and possibly a hint of bemusement.

To be frank, this whole 'bickering' will difuse when people stop blathering about how awesome and gucci they are, and how they are like 'awesomer' than anyone else because of thier camo pattern.

Yes, it works sometimes, yes, it makes you look like something out of a tom clancey game.... cute, but still an arid pattern.

Puding · 05-10-2009 03:56PM

yes there are no pictures of russia using multi cam in combat

but there are a lot of pictures about of it in use in training, it is fact that most units not just the top units in Russian source a lot of there own gear and a lot of units have been testing western gear or copys of western gear,

if alfa are not to be using the camo i would say they would not have been photographed wit Russian leadership, especially with the east west posturing of late, a top Russian unit adopting western camo would not be a little issue ( admittedly a lot of Russians have been using captures marpat since Georgia and there are copy's redaly avaliable in Russia at the moment)

Firekitten · 05-10-2009 04:06PM

Yup.. thats ALFA... Most of thier kit is private purchace or sponsored... Intersting snaps there, and a lot of western kit. I'm part of the Red Alliance forums, and I have a large number of friends in russia and the surrounding area... As far as they can tell, theres no plans to accept it, as you know.. russia uses anything it can get its mits on... but ALFA have a long history of using western stuff... Glock 17s, Arctic Warfare rifles... blackhawk gear... They are somewhat akin to the DevGru with the USSF... they tend to use things and test things, though most of it will never end up with any other unit. If anything, thier use of the kit is more than likely to remove the 'oh look russians' as with ussf using local dress in afganistan... Smoke and mirrors... nobody wants to get blamed for ninja antics on foreign soil.

(also the georgian camo is known as 'digital woodland' its a licenced copy of marpat, but not technically marpat as MMCU is USMC exlusive)

I do think 'Russia is using multicam now' is a little sweeping however.

Rew · 05-10-2009 04:11PM

Masada wrote: »

Rumours say the Irish defence forces are to start using a type of multicam based on DPM....

There is a digital cammo that was being tested but hasn't been seen outside the ARW that I know of. Looks kind of multicam.

I grow weary of the bull**** in this thread. Some people seem to think that cammo makes you invisible it doesn't and posting pictures of guys like all the above is just sillyness.

Masada · 05-10-2009 04:25PM

Rew wrote: »

There is a digital cammo that was being tested but hasn't been seen outside the ARW that I know of. Looks kind of multicam.

I grow weary of the bull**** in this thread. Some people seem to think that cammo makes you invisible it doesn't and posting pictures of guys like all the above is just sillyness.

Deadly, Are their any pics of it available? Whats your own opinions on it, any use? will it be a DF thing only or a pattern available to the general public?
The only thing I've seen thats in any way similar is the desert DPM,

kdouglas · 05-10-2009 04:27PM

Firekitten banned for a week.

I am sick and tired of seeing constant bickering between you and Masada on-thread and what I see here is Masada ignoring your posts and you directly quoting and attacking his comments despite previous private requests from moderators to just ignore eachother.

Masada · 05-10-2009 05:07PM

Is that Dmitry Medvedev, the president in them pics?

I have an almost identical AK to that one in the second pic, the guy with the black loadout. I made it as a pi$$ take, never thought a real one actually existed.,:D

What kinda pistol are they carrying?

Puding wrote: »

yes there are no pictures of russia using multi cam in combat

but there are a lot of pictures about of it in use in training, it is fact that most units not just the top units in Russian source a lot of there own gear and a lot of units have been testing western gear or copys of western gear,

if alfa are not to be using the camo i would say they would not have been photographed wit Russian leadership, especially with the east west posturing of late, a top Russian unit adopting western camo would not be a little issue ( admittedly a lot of Russians have been using captures marpat since Georgia and there are copy's redaly avaliable in Russia at the moment)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/irishpuding/05fdc0610cfd.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/irishpuding/0905bb688a28.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/irishpuding/AlfaHSLD.jpg

Stonewolf · 05-10-2009 05:20PM

Part of the problem with repro stuff is not washing it right, I recall evilrobotshane saying his ACU faded in the wash too much so he was going to avoid washing it (eventually I think he went for just avoiding wearing it). I wash mine (BULLE UK) after every use and it's still pretty spiffy, another friend in ACU left it to his girlfriends mum to wash and she ignored the instructions, after ONE wash the difference is remarkable.

Purple liquipodule things, delicate wash (low temps, my washing machine doesn't even go as low as the instructions say), hang dry.

Masada · 05-10-2009 05:33PM

I suppose its more to do with the variety of stuff out there from good makers(like helikon, Tru Spec, TGD etc) to low end repro's like the stuff ebaybanned, Ehobby and rsov used to have. Mine was already noticibly faded after only a single wash. that said it was only 28 quid for a full set so you cant expect great things out of something that cheap. I now use a complete set of helikon gear from the pants with built in knee pads, the t shirt, BDU shirt, Field jacket, Poncho and a light weight warm weather jacket. they've been washed a few times now and look very fresh still. the fabric is great too and the velcro is still solid after plenty of use. My bidchart (on ebay) jacket faded after a couple of washes and the Velcro in the sleeves started coming away from the material from use. Golden rule at the end of the day, Buy quality, buy once.

Puding · 05-10-2009 05:38PM

Is that Dmitry Medvedev, the president in them pics?

yes it is

the pistol is hard to see so can not say 100%

other pictures of western gear, first is just some test, after that the others are ment to be examples of equipment captured during Georgian conflict, this is not really on topic so should leave it at that, might have to start a Russian thread at some point

gerrowadat · 05-10-2009 05:42PM

Stonewolf wrote: »

Part of the problem with repro stuff is not washing it right, I recall evilrobotshane saying his ACU faded in the wash too much so he was going to avoid washing it (eventually I think he went for just avoiding wearing it). I wash mine (BULLE UK) after every use and it's still pretty spiffy, another friend in ACU left it to his girlfriends mum to wash and she ignored the instructions, after ONE wash the difference is remarkable.

Purple liquipodule things, delicate wash (low temps, my washing machine doesn't even go as low as the instructions say), hang dry.

I wash stuff cold, no detergent. You don't want to smell of lavender, you just want to rinse the gick out.

gungun · 05-10-2009 06:06PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

You don't want to smell of lavender

you dont?:eek:

Stonewolf · 05-10-2009 06:12PM

gerrowadat wrote: »

I wash stuff cold, no detergent. You don't want to smell of lavender, you just want to rinse the gick out.

The purple stuff (by which I mean bog standard Ariel Liquitabs) isn't scented or any of that stuff, it's just detergent for coloured items that doesn't have optical brighteners in it (It's important to check as that's apparently the big factor in detergent selection for camo).

Stercus Accidit · 05-10-2009 06:14PM

Nothing wrong with them ak's.

Who wouldn't want to get use out of the optic you nicked from US supplies

On camo, there's loads of places to get new or used authentic gear, its better made, doesn't fade, good zips and buttons and all that. Before I had the splav gear I was using some ancient generic auld dpm jacket and combats I bought in dunnes. Any chinese cheap made fabric item I've owned has fallen apart or just been sh1t to begin with, I wouldn't want to wear that sort of quality for the sake of having a copyrighted pattern.

How many crotches have ripped in cheapo combats, while my berries are protected from the thorns, are YOURS safe enough? Think about your future kids, and god knows how much lead is in the magnolia paint they use on the chinese bdu's

hoplite · 05-10-2009 06:58PM

If you like multicam and some of us do for our sins

Then you might like to see some pics of USAF Pararescuemen or Pararescue Jumpers PJs for short wearing it.

Airsofters like to wear loadouts that mimic what soldiers are wearing in the field. So currently a PJ loadout wearing Multicam is valid and could be used in a game scenario to identify combat medics.

Anyway for more pics like this

Go to http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4447816&postcount=486

Also from military photos (please don't quote this back as it long)

PARARESCUE MISSION

Regardless of their command, the primary mission of Pararescuemen is to provide rescue, recovery, medical treatment and evacuation in any environment at any time, day or night. PJ's deploy by air, land, or sea into forward, non-permissive environments. They may act as aircrew gunners and scanners on both fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft. They participate in search and rescue (SAR) and Combat search and rescue (CSAR) missions and perform other mission as appropriate.

EMPLOYMENT METHODS

Parachute operations:

Static Line Parachute operations
With combat equipment
With SCUBA equipment
Into forested areas
Into bodies of water
High Altitude Low Opening (Military Freefall)
With combat equipment
With Oxygen
Into Bodies of Water
High Altitude High Opening (HAHO)
With Combat equipment
With Oxygen
Waterborne Operations:

SCUBA/Dregger (Rebreather)
Aircraft boat drops
Combat Rubber Raiding Craft (CRRC)
Scout (surface) swimming
Mountain Operations:

Rock/Ice climbing
Repelling/Ascending
High/low angle evacuation
Horizontal evacuations
Helicopter Operations:

Repelling
Fast Rope
Rope Ladder
Hoist operations (with litter or forest penetrator)
Gunner/scanner operations
Helo cast
Overland Movement:

Motorcycles
All Terrain Vehicles (ATV's)
Rescue All Terrain Transport (RATT)
Motor Vehicle
Team navigation
Arctic Operations:

Cross country skiing
Downhill skiing
Snowmobiles
Snowshoes
Arctic sleds
Crevasse operations
INCENTIVES:

Education - By completing Pararescue training, you earn college credits with the Community College of the Air Force. Currently, technical and upgrade training is worth over 35 semester hours towards an Associates Degree in Applied Science.

Travel - PJ's travel extensively in support of the Air Force global missions. You will support sister service components, allied forces, humanitarian relief efforts and other commitments.

Additional Pays - You receive 3 of the following pays (Based on your rank it may be better to receive flight pay rather than parachute pay)
SCUBA/Dive pay: $150.00 per month
Flight pay: $110.00 - $200.00 per month
Parachutist pay: $110.00 - $165.00 per month (When HALO qualified the pay is $225.00 per month)
Special Duty Incentive Pay (SDIP): $55.00 - $165.00 (based on skill level and time in skill level)
DUTY LOCATIONS:

Active duty:

Hurlburt Field, FL
Moody AFB, GA
Holloman AFB, NM
Nellis AFB, NV
Kirtland AFB, NM
Lackland AFB, TX
Pope AFB, NC
McCord AFB, WA
Kadena AB, Okinawa
Keflavik Air Station, Iceland
RAF Mildenhall, United Kingdom
Guard/Reserve:

Suffolk County, NY
Moffett Field, CA
Portland IAP, OR
Patrick AFB, FL
Kulis ANG, AK
THE TRAINING PIPELINE:

Pararescue training takes approximately 12-15 months to complete. It includes eight schools. You will probably get a chance to take vacation time at some point during training, but this cannot be guaranteed. Students travel from school to school as a class, with the ranking student in charge. Training consists of the following schools:

Pararescue and Combat Control Indoctrination course
US Army Airborne School
US Army Combat Divers School
US Navy Underwater Egress Training
US Air Force Basic Survival School
US Army Military Freefall Parachutist School
Special Operations Combat Medic Course
Pararescue Recovery Specialist Course
ELIGIBILITY:

Be a US citizen
Be a Volunteer
Be a male (based on current Department of Defense policies)
Have a general score of at least 43 on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery test
Be able to pass a Class III flight physical
Have vision of best eye 20/70, worst eye 20/100; correctable to 20/20. Normal Color Vision. No Radial Karatotomy.
Be able to obtain a secret security clearance
Meet specific physical fitness standards
Be a proficient swimmer
IS PARARESCUE FOR YOU?

By expressing an interest in Pararescue, you are taking a big step into a job with high demands, but strong rewards. Wearing the maroon beret is a distinction bestowed on very few men. It recognizes dedication to training and personal sacrifice. We demand the best from our force. Consider the following when making the decision:

Analyze why you want to be a PJ. If you are in it for the challenge and fast-paced life style you will probably be successful, if you want prestige and money...GO AWAY!

Understand that the mission comes first...necessitating personal sacrifice and discipline.

Adaptability and flexibility are important...you must be capable and willing to adapt to diverse mission requirements, environments, and working hours. Change and crisis management are part of the job.

Physical fitness is crucial. Be consistent and dedicated in your training program.

You must be comfortable living outdoors. A great deal of work is done in the field.

You must become a team member and work well with your teammates. Your team is your life's blood...they could mean the difference between life and death during both training and operational missions.

QUALITY FIRST IS THE MOTTO AT THE INDOCTRINATION COURSE.

Puding · 05-10-2009 08:49PM

i see very very few people do true accurate impressions of units, just wearing multicam bdus and a webtec vest due not make a PJ or spec ops impression, no matter what some people seem to think

hoplite · 05-10-2009 09:58PM

I will not be drawn into a debate on this mine was an informational post only

Puding · 05-10-2009 10:16PM

I will not be drawn into a debate on this mine was an informational post only

haha my reply was not ment that way, just a general observation

im all for airsoft impressions i see it as the yin to the yang of airsoft competitive airsoft

another excellent option would be the dea, the first people i came across that was wearing multicam in combat and confirmed

Shiva · 05-10-2009 10:16PM

I like multicam.
Because I like multicam, I wear multicam.

I couldnt give a rats ass about how it blends or doesnt, which country's forces are wearing it or not, or whether its Gucci, Versace or Ralph f**king Lauren.

I like it, I wear it.

End of story.

Leftyflip · 05-10-2009 10:17PM

Multicam is looking more and more tempting

defenderdude · 05-10-2009 10:31PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

Multicam is looking more and more tempting

You know you want to - come to the tan side...:p

Masada · 05-10-2009 10:31PM

You know you want to G...

Come to the dark side... You'll be Gucci...

defenderdude · 05-10-2009 10:33PM

Masada wrote: »

You know you want to G...

Come to the dark side... You'll be Gucci...

:D:D

hehe in before ya (cause I was in multisham - you didnt see me):p

Masada · 05-10-2009 10:33PM

defenderdude wrote: »

You know you want to - come to the tan side...:p

haha,
man, thats freaky, we both posted that at the same time.,:D

Gatling · 05-10-2009 11:07PM

Puding any idea what or where i can get info on that russian digital you posted on the previous page .

How can one camo cause so much fuss ,
you like it -fair play to ya

dont like it-fair play to ya

works

dosent work

its only camo

Lemming · 06-10-2009 12:07AM

No film posts from me. Too easy. And a total cop-out.

This is "Gucci." So hard as nails you look bored, don't need a lot of kit in the middle of a jungle, and are using a silenced WW2-era SMG
(photo is either SAS, SASR, or NZSAS in Vietnam)

This is even more "Gucci". Nothing says "F*ck you, I'll take you easy" like wearing a pair of jeans, a top, and a couple of belts of ammo in the middle of the jungle.
(SEALS, 1970)

And not a crye product in sight. Or existence. If you're going to wear a particular camo pattern, don't pretend it's because it's the be all and end all and somehow universal ninja-flage. It's not. I'll bet the worth of the world on winning that statement.

Shiva has been the most honest person (that I can recollect) to date on this thread by stating he wears Multicam because he likes it and nothing else. I wear US woodland, DDPM, VN OD, VN Tiger-Stripes, and DPM because I like them and/or have gone for a particular look. I don't pretend they're somehow magically ninja. They're not. Neither is multi-cam. If it breaks up your shape whilst you're not moving, then fan-f*cking-tastic. Congratulations. You've just figured out how camouflage - any camouflage - works best. Otherwise, please just ... stop making false claims that it's somehow ubar-am-best. It's pointless, and after a while of being amusing to poke fun, it just gets repetitiously annoying.

Gatling · 06-10-2009 12:21AM

ah when men were men and moustashes were handle bars
does anybody wonder why the Isrealie military dont use camo seeing that they have 90% access to the us militaries stores ,
and yet they wear OD camo

Rew · 06-10-2009 09:06AM

Masada is taking a holiday from the forum for having a go at another member.

This thread is the most stupid pissing contest I have ever seen on here.

Multicam Debate (Split from Multicam?)

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