Multicam Debate (Split from Multicam?)

Firekitten

Im a little perplexed that nobody has asking him why on earth he wants multipuke?

I can think of much more fun things to spend 60e on...

Um, most line the highstreet... or like, a gun or like, um, real camo?

Masada

Multicam was the chosen camo for the soldiers in Transformers....

That alone makes it the kulest kamo evar, !

Firekitten

where? to get a hankie to dry your tears?
I suggest you dont try to cook onions while watching romantic movies... the efffects are uncontrolable.

Masada

Mack is God, and mack like multicam.....





Woodland = F@1L

Firekitten

Nah... Mack likes Israeli weapons more... Micro tavor and corner shot > multicam

TheDoc

I just do not get people who rag on multicam, its a well proven fact it works well in most enviroments. I actually do not get people who say "it doesn't" work.

havnt been on a skirmish site where it hasnt worked.

Firekitten

You really dont skirmish much do you?

Sorry, but I've been playing 5 years, and since the inception of multicam, ive seen it work, yes, but in most environments? no... not even close. In woodland, I see you, and multicam are two of the most OBVIOUS camoflages... if you think you are hidden, you are deluded. In woodland, it looks TAN. in the desert, it looks tan, oh gosh, it works! ok, dry grass or sunny rock like the crye photos... perfect huh? dont you think thier PR department CHOSE environments it works in? deleted the photos of it not working? Nieve much? Trust me, multicam is one of the most visible things short of camoflages that admit they are for desert use.

senordingdong

And someone moving around in woodland/guille will be equally as seen because, whether or not you look like a bush doesn't matter, bushes aren't supposed to move!

Camo doesn't make you invisible, it disguises you. I have used multicam to great effect, just by staying still.

Stercus Accidit

"well proven fact" lol

Nothing factual or proven about it.


I saw it work in dry grass etc, but, that's not what you'll find most of in this country. You don't ever hear people having to argue the validity of their woodland gear, because there isn't even a question of it working. You have to activelly seek out places you can conceal your multi-cam.

I know I find it easier to spot the multicam wearers, so heck, why am I complaining, keep it up.

Stercus Accidit

Masada wrote: »

New tactic, hide in dried grass 5 inches tall?

Heh.

Firekitten

senordingdong wrote: »

And someone moving around in woodland/guille will be equally as seen because, whether or not you look like a bush doesn't matter, bushes aren't supposed to move!

Camo doesn't make you invisible, it disguises you. I have used multicam to great effect, just by staying still.

Your cam and concealment utterly fails....

Ofcourse bushes dont move... thats why you dont move when people are around, or looking, or more than the natural foliage is moving... Or ofcourse, doesnt that information come sewn into the collar of your crye bdus?

Im sorry, 'it works better than ghillies!' is utter crap, you know it, i know it, so stop whining. Its a nice enough camo, but pick your sodding environment, NOTHING is universal. thats what makes environments different. get glasses please.

Fox_One

hey guys sorry new to the whole boards buzz thought i'd div right into the airsoft bit been airsofting for a while now and gotta say i prefer the multicam.. i heard the yanks were gonna be using multicam or digi, they were 50/50, then the chinese cheapo copies came out and they went straight for the digi stuff... doesnt mean multicam's not great tho... i've dpm, digi and multicam and deffo profer the multicam, and as per previous posters it's definitely worth the extra bob for the proper non fading variety... and again re previous posts alot of camo skill is about the person using it... this isnt metal gear solid where you throw on camo and go invisible... it's all about knowing the environment and working your camo... i still wear the other gear somethimes but not often... going for skirmish on tues i'll let ya know if i get hit


oh and to the guy who threw out his multicam after a week.. FAIL.. you coulda made €60 right there with the original poster :D

senordingdong

Firekitten wrote: »

'it works better than ghillies!'.

I never said that.

Craigsy

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

You have to activelly seek out places you can conceal your multi-cam.

i.e. Behind a six foot brick wall:pac:

senordingdong

Behind your ma.








Sorry, couldn't resist.

gerrowadat

Firekitten wrote: »

You really dont skirmish much do you?

Sorry, but I've been playing 5 years,

Yeah, but you're a girl.

Rogue-Trooper

Masada wrote: »

Mack is God, and mack like multicam.....

Christ-on-a-bike, I can't believe the debate is still raging! Did nobody SEE Richie's picture?!! If it's good enough for Mack then it sure as hell is good enough for you. END OF. Don't listen to Firekitten. When was the last time you saw her on Future Weapons, eh? Richard Machowicz is on his way to South Yorkshire as we speak girl, and you had better be wearing Multicam when he gets there!:P

OP, try Bidchart on eBay if you want cheap. I picked up a set of MC BDU's there for €42 delivered. Quality is good although I did have to re-sew a couple of the buttons when they arrived. Had heard too many bad reviews of the eBayBanned stuff so I went with Bidchart instead.
Don't mind the trolls - you'll look fabulous on the field in your new loadout. Who cares if you don't blend into the surroundings? You'll look good as you get slotted and that's all that matters.......:cool:

Firekitten

And that has what to do with anything?


If anything its proven fact we have better taste... so case closed XD

Ok Rouge_trooper... if you want to look 'fabulous' on the field, Im sure there are plenty of clubs in Dublin that cater for that sort of thing...
but some of us want to hide, and use camoflage for its intended purpose.

Ive seen some of the sites in ireland, hiding doesnt seem a high priority....


As for mack... he can kiss my behind... I will not wear multicam, because it doesnt suit any of the environments i skirmish in. Dpm does, marpat does, and hell, at times, acu can... (Night urban)
When i skirmish in an Aviary.... I'll ask for your camo advice.

Spetzcong

It's all about environments from a camo point of view, multicam works perfectly in dry/sandy/warm temperate environments where there are lots of yellows and light browns to blend in with. In our cool temerate environment it's deeper greens and browns that will help you blend in. In saying that there are places on some sites that I've seen where multicam is quite effective, around the quarry in Drogheda for example (which oddly enough is one of the only places I've seen ACU used to good effect too) or parts of Predator.

In saying all of that though, wear what you want to wear. Half the fun is in the escapism. Who cares if marpat is harder to spot in the woods than multicam, if the person in marpat is playing like a tool they'll end up just as dead.

In saying all that I personally hate multicam, I think it looks like something I once threw up, but each to their own.

Firekitten

Apart from the innocent jibing that started this... I too belive this is a 'well its your money, your game, your choice' scenario... if you want it... get it. but dont force people to like it...

nomatter how much mushroom I eat... ill never like it... IF i were to operate in an enviroment that is dry or dusty etc... id look at aridpat, tropentarn, MMDCU, and probably multicam. but not in general...


I think we ought to get back to the fabulous topic

TheDoc

My final point on the matter is really, its not a case of me "forcing" it on anyone, it slike like I'm wearing ACU and genuinely have to defend it.

But I'm playing airsoft over a year ( sorry its only being legal in my country for about 2) and I've never found myself in a position where I've stuck out like a sore thumb.

At the end of the day, Richie is one of the craftiest ****ers I've met in airsoft and his fieldcraft is second to none and I've watched him dissapear in heavy wooded enviroment using multicam.

Yesterday in MAC in a 100% woodland enviroment, the lads in multicam completely beeded in and were hard to spot, where as I in flecktarn, was spotted alot more frequently.

I'm not forcing it on anyone, everyone to their own, but saying it doesn't work is a retarded comment and not giving other viewers of the thread an accurate portrait of the matter.

Masada

Craigsy wrote: »

i.e. Behind a six foot brick wall:pac:

Meh, its a bit bigger than 6ft but it'll do.



One key point a lot of people dont seem to understand is, Multicam isnt supposed to be exactly the same colour as your surroundings. its pattern has been specially designed to make it more difficult for your eye to recognise. this does not mean you become invisible, but it slows your instinctual recognition of the human form.

Maybe a new thread would be called for at this stage, i like the idea of the debate but the OP would probably prefer to stay on topic.

Mot of the pics shown would be your typical type of terrain seen in ireland, not some desert dried out looking place.

that said, i would give more credence to the oposition if they actually understood the mechanics of multicam.

Stercus Accidit

All camoflage patterns claim to provide a disruptive pattern, hard to recognise etc, digicams claim this, blobby cams claim this, multi cam etc. etc.

I just think multicam is wack looking.

I think the wind is out of the sails of the multicam vs everything else argument though, it certainly beats ACU.

Craigsy

Yes, as was said it doesnt have to completely blend in, the neutral colours that is composed of stand out less, for example if you quickly scanned an area, the neutral browns and green stand out less than say someone wearing black kit. Same principle behind ACU.

Personally, I like multicam, in fact i like most uniforms. Anyone fielding ABU yet?

Firekitten

Now i dont think ill get any disagreements to 'OH BLOODY WHY' (RE: ABU)

Craigsy

Was just curious, as you know there are many airsofters around who go for the "look what i have factor" over effectiveness:pac::pac:

moggser

Masada wrote: »

Meh, its a bit bigger than 6ft but it'll do.



my god that wall has....has...... moss growing from it

Fox_One

moggser wrote: »

Masada wrote: »

Meh, its a bit bigger than 6ft but it'll do.



my god that wall has....has...... moss growing from it

yeah to be fair they guy is pretty much f**ked if he takes a couple paces to the right...

defenderdude

Fox_One wrote: »

moggser wrote: »

yeah to be fair they guy is pretty much f**ked if he takes a couple paces to the right...

What!!:D

But that's where his 4 other buddies in mc are standing...:p

Single Malt

Masada wrote: »

Woodland = F@1L

The whole object of camo is to disrupt the shape recognition. in the above example, if the camera were to move 100 ft away, both would become difficult to recognise as humans. In that photo they are BOTH clearly recognisable, due to distance, the multicam only has better colour matching for dried grass. Move a 100ft away, both will look like anomalies that could be a bush or something. That little perception delay is what camo should produce. In anyway, either would be fecked, as they have their backs turned:D

+*EliteSniper*+

How it works:

Takes on the Shade of the Surrounding Environment
By adapting to varying local lighting conditions, the pattern blends well in many environments, elevations, seasons, weather conditions and times of the day.

Disguised Volume and Shape
Since only a very small portion of the human eye perceives color, the brain does a lot of ”filling-in” for the eye. MultiCam takes advantage of this principle and helps the observer to ”see” the pattern as part of the background.

Balanced Scale and Contrast
MultiCam relies more on a blending effect than a contrast effect to disguise the wearer. This effect allows it to perform in a wide range of environments, and keeps the pattern effective even at close distances.

moggser

defenderdude wrote: »

Fox_One wrote: »

What!!:D

But that's where his 4 other buddies in mc are standing...:p

???? i never said that lol

rockercover

multicam = multishame

Craigsy

rockercover wrote: »

multicam = multishame Multiglam

Fixed that for you:pac:

rockercover

multicam = multishame Multiglamorusly Gayboy

Fixed for you :pac:

Masada

Annnddddd..

to add to the debate, multicam is said to be the leading conpetitor in the race to replace the ever failing ACU pattern/Bargaintown cam.

If it aint any use, they wouldnt be using it.

rockercover

He He americans use the sillyiest camo

Lemming

rockercover wrote: »

He He americans use the sillyiest camo

Rockercover, since you are online; please check your PMs from yesterday regarding an airsoft adverts issue.

Thank you.

evilrobotshane

Masada wrote: »

If it aint any use, they wouldnt be using it.

Sorry, we are talking about the same organisation that caused ACU, right?

NakedDex

Ironically, the talk of "replacing" ACU with Multicam is on a strict deployment-only usage proposal. That being only those being deployed specifically to combat zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the only areas in the world where ACU actually works a treat. It's a great arid/mountainous/urban pattern, but feck all use elsewhere.

Firekitten

I do not understand the massive circle jerk that has become the multicam following in airsoft... what is so special about this paticular pattern? someone please explain? It does not work everywhere... it limits you to american kit... It looks a bit... Flamboyant... what IS the specific attraction? does each set come with a set of keys to a Ferarri?

Big_G

NakedDex wrote: »

Ironically, the talk of "replacing" ACU with Multicam is on a strict deployment-only usage proposal. That being only those being deployed specifically to combat zones in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the only areas in the world where ACU actually works a treat. It's a great arid/mountainous/urban pattern, but feck all use elsewhere.

And the last time any of us were in Afghanistan or Iraq?

NakedDex

What does that have to do with anything? I'm just say ACU isn't being ditched for ineffectiveness, it's being ditched because it isn't as universal as advertised. But what is?

Firekitten wrote: »

I do not understand the massive circle jerk that has become the multicam following in airsoft... what is so special about this paticular pattern? someone please explain? It does not work everywhere... it limits you to american kit... It looks a bit... Flamboyant... what IS the specific attraction? does each set come with a set of keys to a Ferarri?

I don't understand it either. Personally I don't like it. I won't go so far as to say hate, but it's a strong dislike. It's scheme just looks a bit..., I don't know..., off. Like it's almost finished but it's missing a primary colour. I've got no clue as to the appeal aesthetically and I've personally only seen it blending into Irish environs effectively a handful of times.

Firekitten

oh its perfectly lovely... but I buy camoflage and wear it to reduce my visibility... or id wear civies...

Hivemind187

Multiclam ... looks like O'Connel street on a Saturday morning after a rugby match. Yellow bilious vomit speckled with lumps of grey-meat-like-stuff and a few peas and carrots.

Trouble is that the damn stuff works. It's a jack of all trades. Does none of them brilliantly but is competent enough to handle itself in most environments.

... still perfer M84 for woodland though.

Toasty113

I like multicam. I might even buy some. But to be perfectly honest I can only see it being properly effective during winter when the surroundings are much paler.then again I suppose you could say that about alot of camos.

Fallschirmjager

why cant everyone wear what they want? jeeze people we have regen, its just a game wear it or dont...

maybe when they develop palletcam we will all be happy...

my thoughts are perfect summed up as follows:

NakedDex

Airsoft is just an armed fashion show sometimes. Everyone has tastes in that regard and they normally overrule effectiveness when making a decision on camo choice. Tiger stripe tends to work rather well here, but I dislike how it looks so I wouldn't wear it. Six colour "chocolate chip" and Desert DPM desert camos are useless here but I rather like them and have a full loadout in each.

Multicam is fairly effective here too, but the debate seems to be more over it's fashionability than it's function. Hence the friendly jibing. I doubt anyone here would seriously care what anyone else wore to a skirmish.

Alzir

Somebody should start a poll on this ha!

senordingdong

I think it looks, and works quite well here.

Also, the amount of great accesories that are made (seemingly exclusively) in multicam are brilliant.

senordingdong

Bit harsh.