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Is it just the luck of the draw?

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  • #32
    PDN
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Sorry PDN, it is. It's a bit complicated though because in a strange way racism or the 911 hiijackers weren't doing 'wrong' their sense of empathy was just different to that of yours and mine. Oh yes, though I agree what they did in yours and my view was a 100% wrong.

    So, your question about pychopaths depends on you taking a subjective view of morality rather than believing in absolute right and wrong?

    In that case it would seem that there's little point in addressing that point to Christians, who do believe in absolute morality.


  • #33
    Turtwig
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    PDN wrote: »
    So, your question about pychopaths depends on you taking a subjective view of morality rather than believing in absolute right and wrong?

    In that case it would seem that there's little point in addressing that point to Christians, who do believe in absolute morality.

    Christians, as I understand, believe in an absolute morality that they get from God. He is the judge and jury of what is right and what is wrong. However, to actually understand God you must first read the bible (or at least, have somebody else tell you about it), right? Yet, for most who never read the bible they still have innate moral attributes which MRI scans have proven to be directly related to the structure of our brains. A psychopath, does not have the normal wiring, and a pure psychopath does not have any sense for right and wrong. I'm simply asking how does God judge a person who is born with no morals, and has been never been shown the codes of a society?


  • #34
    Soul Winner
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Christians, as I understand, believe in an absolute morality that they get from God. He is the judge and jury of what is right and what is wrong. However, to actually understand God you must first read the bible (or at least, have somebody else tell you about it), right? Yet, for most who never read the bible they still have innate moral attributes which MRI scans have proven to be directly related to the structure of our brains. A psychopath, does not have the normal wiring, and a pure psychopath does not have any sense for right and wrong. I'm simply asking how does God judge a person who is born with no morals, and has been never been shown the codes of a society?

    God's Word states that God's law is written on their hearts and that they do know what is right and what is wrong instinctively, so if that part of God's Word is wrong then what else is wrong? Just because known psychos display traits which suggest otherwise now doesn't mean that they always did display these traits. I believe that there is a part of our brains which houses and controls these functions and that if damaged in life, can affect a person's behavior. Maybe the abnormalities found in some psychos is a genetic defect brought on in the womb or later. I would say that come judgment day God will have taken factors like these into account. If it turns out that the evil done was mostly due to these defects in the brain out of no fault of the perpetrator then the only way to come close to knowing what God might judge is to ask yourself what you would judge. How would you judge these people in this case? I would say that although handicapped from birth or whenever they still posses the ability to have faith and thus open the door for God's spirit to come into them in order to change them. So it will still be down to the fact that they refused to have faith in God and ask him for deliverance from their handicap which makes them do these terrible things that will be the deciding factor in their judgment. You cannot BS God, a measure of faith is given to everyone, it is what you do with that faith that determines your eternal destiny. You can put it in God or in anything else. – your choice.


  • #35
    PDN
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Christians, as I understand, believe in an absolute morality that they get from God. He is the judge and jury of what is right and what is wrong. However, to actually understand God you must first read the bible (or at least, have somebody else tell you about it), right?
    No, to understand God fully you would need to read the Bible. But the Bible itself teaches that certain principles are inherent in Creation itself so that those who reject God and his standards are without excuse (Romans 1:18-20).
    Yet, for most who never read the bible they still have innate moral attributes which MRI scans have proven to be directly related to the structure of our brains. A psychopath, does not have the normal wiring, and a pure psychopath does not have any sense for right and wrong. I'm simply asking how does God judge a person who is born with no morals, and has been never been shown the codes of a society?
    I disagree with your assessment of a psychopath. According to Leah Giarratano (a clinical psychologist) "They know right from wrong. They just don’t care." http://randomhouseaustralia.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/the-psychopath/


  • #36
    Turtwig
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    PDN wrote: »
    No, to understand God fully you would need to read the Bible. But the Bible itself teaches that certain principles are inherent in Creation itself so that those who reject God and his standards are without excuse (Romans 1:18-20).

    I disagree with your assessment of a psychopath. According to Leah Giarratano (a clinical psychologist) "They know right from wrong. They just don’t care." http://randomhouseaustralia.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/the-psychopath/

    Well Soul already answer the question:)

    Anyhu, I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with, I agree that a psychopath can know right from wrong, the key thing is that someone else must show them what is right and what is wrong because they have no desire or instinctual feelings for it themselves.


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  • #37
    MrPudding
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    Malty_T wrote: »
    Well Soul already answer the question:)

    Anyhu, I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with, I agree that a psychopath can know right from wrong, the key thing is that someone else must show them what is right and what is wrong because they have no desire or instinctual feelings for it themselves.
    Also, it isn't that they just don't care, they simply have no ability to care. They do not choose to care, they do not have that choice. They may, at some level, know what they are doing is not considered “normal” by other people, but they are likely to believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

    I suppose it come down to the old “mad not bad” chestnut. Even fi they do know what they are doing is bad, there is nothing they can do about it.

    MrP


  • #38
    dvpower
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    PDN wrote: »
    What you feel is not the criteria for determining right from wrong. If it were then racism would not be wrong since racists think they are behaving righteously, and the 911 hijackers did nothing wrong because they felt it was right to murder all those people.

    Or meateaters. Responsible for the needless and cruel deaths of countless innocent animals, but they feel that its all OK.


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