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Fiorentina vs. Liverpool Match Thread [mod warning post #92]

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  • #182
    LuckyLloyd
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    Best team on the night won, no question. Poor performance in many different respects, and once we went two down in that environment it was always going to be tough. Not much else to say, nights like this will come along every so often.


  • #183
    whatawaster
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    crap performance.

    Still, it wouldn't be the CL group stages if we weren't rubbish for 3 or 4 games


  • #184
    jaykay74
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »

    Tonight is bitterly disappointing and it's not the kind of result we need heading to Stamford Bridge on Sunday.

    funny enough i fancy a liverpool win on sunday. liverpool will qualify easily anyway but maybe in 2nd spot which will mean a potentially tricky game in knockout round.


  • #185
    thecross1
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    the result was bad but the way we played was shocking


  • #186
    [Deleted User]
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    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Glen Johnson what a waster...

    Have you watched him at all this season.....? Stop dribbling on your keyboard for fúck sake! Someone get this man a bib.

    Fair play to Fiorentina, deserved to say the least. Much better in the 2nd half but nothing in midfield.

    Well goodnight.


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  • #187
    The Muppet
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    Florinto's defence was very solid particulaly second half when liverfpool played some good football. Liverpool lacking in midfield and defence tonight, still think they willl struggle defensively against the better opposition this season.


  • #188
    mayordenis
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    Disapointing I didn't see the first half but from everything I hear we were thoroughly dominated - second half we were pretty dominant but toothless.

    far from the end of the world, far from proof that some of our players aren't good enough.

    Huge game coming up at the weekend so once the players put this out of there mind, hopefully masch will be fit maybe agger can make the squad - we'll be able to get back on track fairly lively.

    The kuyt bashing is just pure ridiculous but hey that's what we've come to expect here.


  • #189
    DigiJem
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    A disappointing 1st half performance, would have hoped for a draw but we didn't get a early 2nd half goal. Not a good night, but fair play to Fiorentina, a decent and hardworking side, easy to see why they're doing well so far in Serie A. Onwards and upwards, its going to be a tight group.


  • #190
    whatawaster
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    me-skywalker wrote: »
    Glen Johnson what a waster... Liverpool are becoming more predictable.. stop Gerard in the centre... Get into Torres head and rattle him.. and stop the full backs...

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    should tell that to the defenses we've scored over 20 goals in 7 PL games against


  • #191
    rossie1977
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    jaykay74 wrote: »
    funny enough i fancy a liverpool win on sunday. liverpool will qualify easily anyway but maybe in 2nd spot which will mean a potentially tricky game in knockout round.

    liverpool will struggle to qualify now actually, fiorentina now have debrecen home and away next two games, thats them on 9 points, liverpool have lyon home and away next, on that performance how many points do you see them getting, nothing in lyon for one; liverpool now need to win every game, maybe allowing for a draw in lyon, including beating fiorentina by at least 3 goals at anfield


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  • #192
    Handsome Bob
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    No two ways about it, there is something seriously wrong in the defence. Rafa needs to have the courage to make the hard decision.


  • #193
    K-9
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    Theresalwaysone wrote: »
    Liverpool much improved second half.

    If they had of got one, they would have at least drawn level if not won it imo.

    Better Second half definitely. Can't see the other 2 teams winning there either.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #194
    Tusky
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    Credit to Fiorentina, they played great football in the first half and defended really well in the second.

    We are badly missing Mascherano in my opinion. If hes not at his best, its up to Rafa to get him back to his best. Lucas is not playing so well that he is undroppable, and I think he should be dropped as soon as Macherano is fit to play. Im not just basing that on tonights performance...

    Also feel Babel has earned a start at this stage (but please, not on the left). Maybe not against Chelsea, but certainly in one of the other league games.


  • #195
    spockety
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    Utter respect to Fiorentina (sitting 2 pts off top of Serie A BTW), they were superb. Liverpool were shocking but I think Fiorentina's display played a big part in that. They had one of those nights you would love your club to have, everything just clicked. The passing was slick, the defending strong, and the counter attacking was fearless.

    Liverpool had one of those nights that you dread as a club supporter, nothing worked, nothing clicked, they were like fudge, and they happened to be facing a team who had a stormer.

    The only thing I'm grateful for is that that performance happened tonight, and not Sunday. Hopefully it will serve as a wake up call that beating Hull 6-1 while nice does not make everything rosy in the garden.


  • #196
    spockety
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    Tusky wrote: »

    Also feel Babel has earned a start at this stage (but please, not on the left). Maybe not against Chelsea, but certainly in one of the other league games.

    Who do you sacrifice?

    Kuyt...? :eek:


  • #197
    LuckyLloyd
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    liverpool will struggle to qualify now actually, fiorentina now have debrecen home and away next two games, thats them on 9 points, liverpool have lyon home and away next, on that performance how many points do you see them getting, nothing in lyon for one; liverpool now need to win every game, maybe allowing for a draw in lyon, including beating fiorentina by at least 3 goals at anfield

    lol, no. It is very rare indeed for 12 points+ to not get you out of a Champions League group.


  • #198
    jaykay74
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    liverpool will struggle to qualify now actually, fiorentina now have debrecen home and away next two games, thats them on 9 points, liverpool have lyon home and away next, on that performance how many points do you see them getting, nothing in lyon for one; liverpool now need to win every game, maybe allowing for a draw in lyon, including beating fiorentina by at least 3 goals at anfield

    Why are you quoting someone elses post to look like I posted it :confused:


  • #199
    Bandit12
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    Bad display all round from the lads. Good to get it out of the way early in the group. Not all that worried as it was just one of those nights nothing was going to go right. Roll on Chelsea :)


  • #200
    spockety
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    Hmmm, Cascarino "doing a Dunphy" and listing off the donkeys.


  • #201
    Bandit12
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    liverpool will struggle to qualify now actually, fiorentina now have debrecen home and away next two games, thats them on 9 points, liverpool have lyon home and away next, on that performance how many points do you see them getting, nothing in lyon for one; liverpool now need to win every game, maybe allowing for a draw in lyon, including beating fiorentina by at least 3 goals at anfield
    :o


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  • #202
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    Wow, what a first half from Fiorentina, absolutely blew Liverpool away, and stifled every time they tried to start an attack. Perfect game plan to attack through the middle, which was Liverpool's weakest point, meaning Gerrard had to drop deeper and deeper to help out, leaving Torres totally isolated.

    Seconf half, and in the first twenty minutes Fio just soaked up pressure, with Liverpool not really threatening, although some will say that they could have nicked a goal, it wouldn't have been enough.

    Fiorentina definitely deserved that win.

    Liverpool won't struggle to qualify though, with Mascherano back to shore up the middle, they should get enough points to get to the knock out stage.


  • #203
    Barr
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    If Liverpool play anything like that on Sunday - Chelsea will hide them.


  • #204
    Handsome Bob
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    Dirk Kuyt from RM this season has scored three goals and has made three goals. This from an unnatural position for him. So anyone who claims he is mediocre is quite frankly talking ****e, like my friend Tony Cascarino on the TV right now.


  • #205
    therecklessone
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    General player critiques here please, discuss tonight's game on this thread.

    Thank you.


  • #206
    me-skywalker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Have you watched him at all this season.....? Stop dribbling on your keyboard for fúck sake! Someone get this man a bib.

    As a 'defender' awful!! they shouldnt be relying on him to be getting forward to do well.
    whatawaster wrote: »
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    should tell that to the defenses we've scored over 20 goals in 7 PL games against

    Do you mean against Hull? Bolton? West Ham? Stoke? Burnley?

    oh top 10 teams? good point mate. hah


  • #207
    Chardee MacDennis
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    Des wrote: »
    Wow, what a first half from Fiorentina, absolutely blew Liverpool away, and stifled every time they tried to start an attack. Perfect game plan to attack through the middle, which was Liverpool's weakest point, meaning Gerrard had to drop deeper and deeper to help out, leaving Torres totally isolated.

    Seconf half, and in the first twenty minutes Fio just soaked up pressure, with Liverpool not really threatening, although some will say that they could have nicked a goal, it wouldn't have been enough.

    Fiorentina definitely deserved that win.

    Liverpool won't struggle to qualify though, with Mascherano back to shore up the middle, they should get enough points to get to the knock out stage.

    couldnt disagree with your second half analysis any more, we could easily have grabbed a goal and got a penalty.


  • #208
    Bandit12
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    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Best team on the night won, no question. Poor performance in many different respects, and once we went two down in that environment it was always going to be tough. Not much else to say, nights like this will come along every so often.
    +1
    Qualification is the only thing that really matters, group stages are a means to a end but we all know where we'll be every year at the end of them. They were well up for it, you could see how much it meant to the Fiorentina players and crowd. Massive victory for them, minor inconvenience to us. Simples.


  • #209
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Depressing!


  • #210
    Mitch Connor
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Dirk Kuyt from RM this season has scored three goals and has made three goals. This from an unnatural position for him. So anyone who claims he is mediocre is quite frankly talking ****e, like my friend Tony Cascarino on the TV right now.

    he has played RM consistently for ages now - RM is his position.


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  • #211
    Tusky
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    spockety wrote: »
    Who do you sacrifice?

    Kuyt...? :eek:
    Torres

    Kuyt
    Benayoun
    Babel
    Masch---Gerrard

    Also think Babel should be put up front every time Torres is taken off and for all cup games.


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