Irish prisons 'in breach of human rights standards'

DarkJager · 26-09-2009 09:07AM #1

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The Irish Penal Reform Trust has said this week's report from the Inspector of Prisons describes shocking conditions which are both unacceptable and in breach of human rights standards.

It has called on the Justice Minister Dermot Ahern to commit to addressing the urgent issues identified in the document.

The trust believes the report must act as a watershed in the Irish Penal system.

The report details how seven prisoners are accommodated in a four-bed cell with three buckets as sanitary facilities.

Tough **** really. Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable for the scumbags. If I had my way, they'd all be sleeping on the ground in puddles of their own piss. **** em. You do the crime, don't expect lush living when you get caught.

TheInquisitor · 26-09-2009 09:15AM

Three buckets? The scum should only have 1!

DarkJager · 26-09-2009 09:16AM

TheInquisitor wrote: »

Three buckets? The scum should only have 1!

With 6 or 7 holes in it!

Stuxnet · 26-09-2009 09:19AM

they were talking bout this on joe duffy yesterday,
alot of the new prisoners are people getting locked up for not being able to pay bills, hardly the scum of the earth now,

TanG411 · 26-09-2009 09:21AM

I hate stories like this. Come on, there's people in that prison who did the worst things imaginable to people and human rights enthusiasts believe they don't live in adequate facilities? They should be lucky they have a bucket :mad:

It things like this that make the country a disgrace.

TestTransmission · 26-09-2009 09:24AM

Ya know what?**** em

Hal1 · 26-09-2009 09:30AM

Don't take this guys bucket. :mad:

DarkJager · 26-09-2009 09:38AM

Larkin91 wrote: »

I hate stories like this. Come on, there's people in that prison who did the worst things imaginable to people and human rights enthusiasts believe they don't live in adequate facilities? They should be lucky they have a bucket :mad:

It things like this that make the country a disgrace.

Its the goody two shoe bleeding hearts in this country that make me sick. They think the conditions in a prison aren't "comfortable" enough, and only recently they were whinging about the new Criminal legislation that it was "too harsh" on scumbags - the same scumbags that are out robbing and murdering without a care for anyone elses "rights".

If we're ever going to take the fight to the scumbag cretins, these "guardians" of human rights would do us all a favor by just shutting the **** up.

Gummy Panda · 26-09-2009 09:42AM

BOBBY wrote: »

they were talking bout this on joe duffy yesterday,
alot of the new prisoners are people getting locked up for not being able to pay bills, hardly the scum of the earth now,

I thought thats why you declare yourself bankrupt?

PCPhoto · 26-09-2009 09:53AM

BOBBY wrote: »

they were talking bout this on joe duffy yesterday,
alot of the new prisoners are people getting locked up for not being able to pay bills, hardly the scum of the earth now,

Do you mind if I ask where you got your statement from ? ....did you listen to Joe Duffy show and just mention what you think you heard or did someone who phoned in the show "claim" that people were being locked up for non-payment...and you took it as fact.

This has already been through the courts - people cannot be jailed for not being able to pay ....however they can be jailed if they CAN afford to repay and have made little or no efforts. (off the top of my head I cant think of the names but there was a case in the courts 6-8weeks ago)

Diabhal Beag · 26-09-2009 09:54AM

These scumbags should suffer in prison. Who cares if its a breach of Human Rights, they are the worst thing to be associated with Humanity.

26-09-2009 09:55AM

BS. people who don't pay bills should be in a separate alright prison and all the actual criminals in a shlt hole..

PCPhoto · 26-09-2009 10:02AM

DarkJager wrote: »

Its the goody two shoe bleeding hearts in this country that make me sick. They think the conditions in a prison aren't "comfortable" enough, and only recently they were whinging about the new Criminal legislation that it was "too harsh" on scumbags - the same scumbags that are out robbing and murdering without a care for anyone elses "rights".

If we're ever going to take the fight to the scumbag cretins, these "guardians" of human rights would do us all a favor by just shutting the **** up.

totally agree with this ..... why should someone who doesnt act like a civilised human being (ie. respect for another human) .... be treated like a human, the scum of this world do not deserve to receive to be treated with respect.

(NOTE: I'm referring to career criminals and those with multiple convictions - as its obvious the system fails them and they do not wish to mend their ways)

I've said it before and will say it again - multiple convictions should be punished by non receivership of social welfare - this includes "claims" of suffering from stress, discrimination and depression.... which are just some of the loopholes that our ignorant government cannot for see (even when its pointed out to them).

(I have stronger views on career criminals but dont think I'm awake enough to post properly.)

PCPhoto · 26-09-2009 10:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

BS. people who don't pay bills should be in a separate alright prison and all the actual criminals in a shlt hole..

I feel I need to address this issue again.....

People who dont pay bills CANNOT goto prison.... people who CHOOSE to ignore debts do actually face prosecution which could result in going to prison.

if someone has a debt that they cannot make they should contact the creditor and ask for help (ie. lower payments/longer time... worst thing someone in Debt can do is ignore it)

I'm currently in debt and working my way towards paying it off - in the last 6months I have cleared off one loan and one credit card, I still have another loan and another credit card left...and hopefully ...the next 6-8months will clear them off.

PCPhoto · 26-09-2009 10:13AM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I thought thats why you declare yourself bankrupt?

this is a common misconception.... declaring yourself bankrupt in this country means that you agree to pay back debts.

in effect making yourself bankrupt means that if/when you work again - you will be working to pay back debts and not making very much money....this is why so many businessmen - create limited companies so their losses are limited and if the company goes tits up then the individual and his/her property are protected.

with an Example: Carroll - we've all seen the business plea for protection from the government - however - earlier this year Carroll transferred ownership of some of his properties in the name of his wife - so he and the company are not liable - and his family do not loose their home - despite (to the best of my knowledge - open to correction with this) but I believe that the family home was used as part collateral for some of the business loans.

DarkJager · 26-09-2009 10:15AM

PCPhoto wrote: »

I've said it before and will say it again - multiple convictions should be punished by non receivership of social welfare - this includes "claims" of suffering from stress, discrimination and depression.... which are just some of the loopholes that our ignorant government cannot for see (even when its pointed out to them).

Multiple convictions should be punished by a 1 year sentence in complete solitary confinement, with a 1/2 hour each day to wash & eat. The other 23 1/2 hours should be nothing but darkness.

mudokon · 26-09-2009 10:25AM

ilovelamp2000 · 26-09-2009 10:30AM

What exactly is that's causing prisons to be in breach of the human rights of lowlifes in Ireland ?

Is it because prison guards took away their mobile phones, 42" plasma screens and their pet budgies ?

**** the lot of them.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-09-2009 11:01AM

Threads like this always suit the usual gutter snipe bleating on about 'scumbags deserving it' and sh*t like this.

I'm totally opposed to the regime in our prison service whereby prisoners are kept in condition's which would have a dog owner brought before the courts if he/she kept their dogs in similar.

I'd rather see very long sentences for very serious crime, and stringent enforcement of ASBO's and Community Service scheme's for minor crime.

Why should a prisoner be forced to use a chamber pot for the best part of 23hrs of the day?. Or why be forced to have access to a shower only once a week? - thats bullsh*t.

Tell you what, take a tour of Kilmanham Goal - your blood would blood at what the British imposed on Irish prisoners, but then we seem to think its somehow OK to do it to our own?.

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TheZohanS · 26-09-2009 11:05AM

Nicole Acidic Banner wrote: »

Why should a prisoner be forced to use a chamber pot for the best part of 23hrs of the day?. Or why be forced to have access to a shower only once a week?

So they'll appreciate their freedom when they get let out.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-09-2009 11:10AM

TheZohan wrote: »

So they'll appreciate their freedom when they get let out.

So this is why that given our present regime we don't have repeat offenders, right?.

You know Reichführer-SS Himmler used the reasoning that "Nature is cruel, therefore we are entitled to be cruel" - are you a Nazi too?.

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Nodin · 26-09-2009 11:13AM

DarkJager wrote: »

Tough **** really. Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable for the scumbags. If I had my way, they'd all be sleeping on the ground in puddles of their own piss. **** em. You do the crime, don't expect lush living when you get caught.

In militaries all over the world, the harder the training, the harder the man that will come out the end of it. Likewise the harder the enviroment, the harder you have to be to survive it. Now, if you make prisons living hells, what do you think is going to come out the gates?

Kiera · 26-09-2009 11:16AM

Nicole Acidic Banner wrote: »

Threads like this always suit the usual gutter snipe bleating on about 'scumbags deserving it' and sh*t like this.

I'm totally opposed to the regime in our prison service whereby prisoners are kept in condition's which would have a dog owner brought before the courts if he/she kept their dogs in similar.

I'd rather see very long sentences for very serious crime, and stringent enforcement of ASBO's and Community Service scheme's for minor crime.

Why should a prisoner be forced to use a chamber pot for the best part of 23hrs of the day?. Or why be forced to have access to a shower only once a week? - thats bullsh*t.

Tell you what, take a tour of Kilmanham Goal - your blood would blood at what the British imposed on Irish prisoners, but then we seem to think its somehow OK to do it to our own?.

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Mairt, i dont see why they should get even basic rights. They are scumbags. They're not in prison for the craic! Let them sit in a cell with their own crap, they deserve nothing more! If its a minor crime they wont be in for long or if its a serious crime they'll be living in their own **** for a long long time.

Maybe this will deter them from committing crime again? Probably not, but i wont lose sleep over them in those conditions!

ps. goal is sooooo 80's :P

TheZohanS · 26-09-2009 11:22AM

Nicole Acidic Banner wrote: »

So this is why that given our present regime we don't have repeat offenders, right?.

You know Reichführer-SS Himmler used the reasoning that "Nature is cruel, therefore we are entitled to be cruel" - are you a Nazi too?.

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Nope, we have repeat offenders because there is not a strong enough focus on rehabilitation in prison.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 26-09-2009 11:28AM

TheZohan wrote: »

Nope, we have repeat offenders because there is not a strong enough focus on rehabilitation in prison.

Ah good, I'm glad you brought that up.

On the one hand your saying the present regime is what they deserve, and to an extent your right (if a murderer was left in these conditions for the rest of their natural life I wouldn't bat a eye lid) but how do we re-hab a prisoner by keeping him (I'm saying "him" because the women in Dochas Centre live in an entirely different world) confined to an over crowded cell full of piss and sh*t?.

You can't have it both ways.

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Kipperhell · 26-09-2009 11:30AM

Kiera wrote: »

Mairt, i dont see why they should get even basic rights. They are scumbags.

Interesting, so as they shouldn't have basic rights what kind of rights do you think they should have? Basic rights include things like food so do you think we should starve them?

There are a lot of people in prison and many are not repeat offenders. There are quite a few people in prison for reckless driving or other bad judgements a lot of people are lucky enough not to get caught for. Have you really never done anything that could have given you prison time?

Kiera · 26-09-2009 11:37AM

Kipperhell wrote: »

Interesting, so as they shouldn't have basic rights what kind of rights do you think they should have? Basic rights include things like food so do you think we should starve them?

There are a lot of people in prison and many are not repeat offenders. There are quite a few people in prison for reckless driving or other bad judgements a lot of people are lucky enough not to get caught for. Have you really never done anything that could have given you prison time?

You know quite well what i meant!

Yup and even reckless drivers should live in a cell with their own piss.

And no, i have never done something i could have got prison time for. wtf kind of question is that? Were you expecting me to say i pistol whipped so bitch over a parking spot?

TheZohanS · 26-09-2009 11:37AM

Nicole Acidic Banner wrote: »

Ah good, I'm glad you brought that up.

On the one hand your saying the present regime is what they deserve, and to an extent your right (if a murderer was left in these conditions for the rest of their natural life I wouldn't bat a eye lid) but how do we re-hab a prisoner by keeping him (I'm saying "him" because the women in Dochas Centre live in an entirely different world) confined to an over crowded cell full of piss and sh*t?.

You can't have it both ways.

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No, on the one hand I'm saying let offenders realise that the consequences of their actions and their choices have left them in sh!tty conditions, now it's up to them if they want to buy into the rehabilitation process.

If you don't then these are the conditons that you are going to face.

Put all resources into rehabilitation, not into making cells cushey.

walshb · 26-09-2009 11:44AM

The prison systems should have basics and not be hell holes, but nor should
they be cushy. I am not advocating Midnight Express, but I don't want Butlins either.

We have to find a middle ground on the issue.

Really, everyone can end up in prison, a wrong judgment or decision can
change a persons life. We aren't talking about evil people all the time

dlofnep · 26-09-2009 11:44AM

Not everyone in prison is there for dastardly deeds. Some people have been just unfortunate, or have done something very minor. Should they all have couches ro extreme comfort? Absolutely not - But they should have the required facilities to get by each day.

Everyone in this thread has immediately used the most evil people in society as a basis for this; far from rational.

TheZohanS · 26-09-2009 11:45AM

walshb wrote: »

The prison systems should have basics and not be hell holes, but nor should
they be cushy. I am not advocating Midnight Express, but I don't want Butlins either.

Totally agree. Treat prisoners with dignity, not like animals.

Irish prisons 'in breach of human rights standards'

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