is socket 1366 dead ? 1156 the platform to build for?

romperstomper · 16-09-2009 02:16PM #1

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3634

^^ good article

what do you guys think? budget is 700 for cpu/mobo/ram. will i get more bang for buck with 1166? is there an upgrade path for it in say, 18 months time?

thanks

Ush1 · 16-09-2009 02:46PM

1156 doesn't support HT or triple channel RAM, it's aimed at lower budget users/moderate users.

romperstomper · 16-09-2009 03:08PM

Considering my budget (6-700) and the fact that I won't be using sli,
What should I go for?

Ush1 · 16-09-2009 06:21PM

Depends on what you're using it for really. For gaming, i7 or i5 have no major discernable advantage. But it depends, if I had 700 for a new build I'd say I would go i7 anyway, depending on what parts I already had(case, monitor, etc..).

meepins · 16-09-2009 06:37PM

The i9 (Gulftown) is scheduled for next year on socket 1366.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_i9

romperstomper · 17-09-2009 11:31AM

it will be used primarily for gaming. what if i get a second hand 965 for around 300ish on adverts? is that the way to go??

Ush1 · 17-09-2009 11:47AM

romperstomper wrote: »

it will be used primarily for gaming. what if i get a second hand 965 for around 300ish on adverts? is that the way to go??

Hmm, wouldn't recommend it to be honest. Do you plan on overclocking? A i7 920 will do the job for you. If you have enough cash go with water cooled but if not, you'll get a decent overlock on air and should be fine for any games really, depending on your GPU.

romperstomper · 17-09-2009 11:58AM

965 not good value at 300ish? i could go with the new i7 860 (and save money on mobo & ram too)

Solitaire · 17-09-2009 01:15PM

The only issue with the i7-860 is the lack of coolers for LGA1156 at the moment. Otherwise its a faster, if, lower-bandwidth, i7-920 (LGA1156 only has dual-channel support!).

romperstomper · 17-09-2009 02:09PM

well its €350 for 965 with after market cooler OR
i860 for €300

is the 9 series worth the extra €€?

Solitaire · 17-09-2009 02:23PM

Turns out to be a bit more than €50 difference when you add higher (tri-channel) DDR3 and mobo prices (and the hugeass cooler you'll need to keep a 140-200W CPU in check!)

The LGA1156 i7 will run cooler and OCing it without an unlocked multiplier shouldn't be that much of a hassle. €350 is a great price for a i7-965 but its an early-stepping CPU with a possibly lower OC and (in the case of the EE) insane heat output.

romperstomper · 17-09-2009 02:39PM

i can have cpu/ram/board for about €400 if i go with i7 860. will that defo cut the mustard as regard gaming @ 1920 X 1200 ?

Solitaire · 17-09-2009 09:59PM

So long as you accompany it with a HD4870 1GB at the very least

But then again a X3-720BE and the above card will be quite happy at 1080p too. So long as you don't have a huge shortage in the CPU department all but two current games I can think of really care more about the graphics card once you reach such high resolutions.

romperstomper · 17-09-2009 10:03PM

yep, thats the card i have believe it or not. can't believe its now half price to what i paid for it. current dileema:

second hand i7 965 (inc ram & mobo) for €600

OR

new i7 860 (inc ram & mobo) for €500

they'll be mated with intel 160gb SSD

Solitaire · 17-09-2009 10:13PM

Where you buying from? Just an i7-860 + P55 mobo + 4GB DDR3 should be closer to €400, not €500...

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 12:27AM

scan, elara, hwvs,komplett, novatech

big saving on the intel 160 through scan (€370).

if you can get that gear for 400 PLS link me. assuming 450 (meet you half way) VS 600, is the 1366 rig €150 better? one eye on 6 cores coming out next year too

Solitaire · 18-09-2009 03:11AM

Theoretically HWVS has it (i7-860, full ATX P55, 2*2GB DDR3-1333) for €435 shipped, meant to do a comparison with Komplett (lower shipping and quicker) but their website has had an aneurysm :rolleyes: Seems to be down for the night so I'm off to bed :P

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 11:25AM

ok, but add in a custom cooler and its north of 480.

so is the 965 worth more than a hundred more than 860 ??

jonny72 · 18-09-2009 12:26PM

romperstomper wrote: »

ok, but add in a custom cooler and its north of 480.

so is the 965 worth more than a hundred more than 860 ??

Its a lot of money to invest, I would recommend reading a good few reviews of the 860.. there should be a few which pit it against the 965 at stock and possibly at overclocked speeds

Solitaire · 18-09-2009 01:02PM

Why a €50 cooler? If you really want to OC that heavily just get a cheaper good-brand cooler when they come out for LGA1156. Hell, just throw on a Arctic Freezer 7 Pro R2 on - those fit pretty much anything and should cool the i7-860 pretty well even under heavy OC. Bear in mind that we're dealing with a 95W TDP chip here, not 145W+ like the i7-965EE!

If you include CPU coolers in the mix we're talking €450 from HWVS vs. €650+ (you'd need a TRUE on an OCd Extreme Edition i7!) The gap's just growing bigger. Given that the Nehalems work pretty well without triple-channel the only reason you're getting the 965 is for the unlocked multi, but as a first-stepping chip it might have a lower OC ceiling than the 860 anyway!

Really, the only reason you'd take a hotter, pricier LGA1366 setup over a i7 LGA1156 is if you needed the extra PCIe lanes in CrossFire. And the only thing that'd need more than x8 (which is equivalent to x16 on the older PCIe generation!) is a pair of GTX295s or just maybe HD4870X2s, but even the latter wouldn't be too badly bottlenecked on P55.

Others may differ and that 965 is going cheap, but, IMHO, go with the 860.

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 02:12PM

The 2nd hand 965 comes with a water cooler. I'm going with water cooling, I think. So pricing it that way. Can't find a comparison between the i860 and the 965. I think the 860 might be the way to go as regards warranty etc. However if I get a 4890x2 am I not crippling it?

Solitaire · 18-09-2009 02:38PM

HD4890X2? Thought AMD and its partners had retconned it and the HD4895? If you mean two HD4890s, well, if a PCIe2.0x8 link could cripple it why would nVidia release the GTX295 prior to PCIe 3.0? PCIe2.0x16 would cripple it in that case.

Sorry... didn't realize you already had a watercooler included in the price. What PSU do you have? i7-965EE + w/c + 2*HD4890s needs a lot of juice :eek:

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 02:40PM

antec cp-850. should that do the job? bought antec p183 to go with it

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 03:03PM

seeing as i already own the case & psu. here's the bits i've come up with:

LN27738
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair TwinX XMS3, DDR3 PC3-10666 (1333) 240 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-24 £61.10 £70.27

LN28221
160GB Intel MLC-Flash, 2.5" SSD, SATA 3Gb/s, Read 250MB/s, Write 70MB/s, OEM £294.16 £338.28

LN28564
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2, Intel P55 Express, S1156, DDR3 2200, SATA 3Gb/s, SATA RAID, ATX £72.55 £83.43

LN28595
Intel Core i7 860, S 1156, Lynnfield, Quad Core, 2.80GHz, DMI 2.5 GT/s, 8MB Cache, 95W, Retail £189.17 £217.55

the 2nd i965 is APPROX €150 dearer (not more, remember getting aftermarket cooler with it).

now assuming i go for 860, will i need aftermarket cooler?

Solitaire · 18-09-2009 03:52PM

Yep, that's the ticket

CP-850 can easily service that level of spec (in fact there's little real-world need for anything bigger than a CP850 in the consumer segment; your system is almost as high-end as high-end gets

).

If you really think you can get the 965 higher thanks to the water then go ahead and get it. Pricier but if the w/c is decent it might be worth it. You OCing the HD4890s too?

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 03:59PM

had to pull out of the 965 as there was no warranty on it. buying the above today from scan. all in (inc. delivery) will be €800. i currently have 1gb 4870 (PCS), but realistically i want to change it for something more powerful and quieter. never done water cooling before and VERY reluctant to start after spending €1100 totoal on new gear (psu & case were 300). gonna try to go for a quiet fan for CPU and hopefully either get a) after market quiet gpu cooler or b) buy a stealth one that has quiet cooling as standard

Solitaire · 18-09-2009 04:39PM

IIRC Mugen 2 is pretty good for both cooling and noise. Why the hell am I talking [CENSORED]?! :mad:

Off the top of my head the only non-OEM jobbie at the moment is the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro v2. Don't know of any full-tower coolers with an LGA1156 mounting kit

romperstomper · 18-09-2009 04:52PM

doesn't fit 1156!

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Scythe-Mugen-2-Quiet-CPU-Cooler-for-478-LGA775-LGA1366-AMD-Socket-754-939-AM2-AM2plus-and-940

any quiet, fast gpus??

Slutmonkey57b · 18-09-2009 05:53PM

Arctic Cooling Accellero s1rev2 is your man for quiet GPU cooling.

silentpcreview.com

STOP RESISTING · 22-09-2009 12:44PM

Solitaire wrote: »

HD4890X2? Thought AMD and its partners had retconned it and the HD4895? If you mean two HD4890s, well, if a PCIe2.0x8 link could cripple it why would nVidia release the GTX295 prior to PCIe 3.0? PCIe2.0x16 would cripple it in that case.

Sorry... didn't realize you already had a watercooler included in the price. What PSU do you have? i7-965EE + w/c + 2*HD4890s needs a lot of juice :eek:

I am currently running an i7 965 Xtreme Edition @ 4.0GHz using the supplied cooler as well as 2X Radeon HD4890's also both OC'd to 850MHz core/1100MHz Memory and I have 8GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600MHz + 3 SATA HDD's....all on an 800W Tagan PSU!!! no problems!

is socket 1366 dead ? 1156 the platform to build for?

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