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New Flying Africa Tax To Be Asked For!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Travel agents are not our moral conscience this is nowhere near their job, the presumptiousness of this is staggering.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    walshb wrote: »
    Another African scam by Western chancers. Seriously, there are folks with nothing to do but sit around and think up clever little ways to make money, all in the name of the poor African. We had it with jersey day, Goal mile, send a goat or bees to Africa, adopt a child is El Salvador, build houses inn shanty towns and so on and so on, and now this. This one has actually been considered for quite some time as far as I know.

    Presumably you're being sarcastic.

    But to address the points made in the post below.I have learned over many many years that I won't change the mind of people like you. But for the benefit of other people, let's look at what you're saying.
    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Ok. I'm not sure where you are confused and maybe I'm wrong. If I am could you tell me where my logic is wrong rather than post a non-descript smilie?

    1- A large percentage of the African populace is Catholic
    2- Catholics do not believe in the use of contraception.
    3- AIDS can be transmitted by unprotected sexual intercourse.

    As I said it's just an issue of wasting money due to people's beliefs. I would have the same concern if jehova's witnesses were given expensive alternative treatments to blood transfusions paid for by taxpayers'money.

    The HIV epidemic is also rampant in non catholic parts of Africa, and in non-catholic countries. In fact the biggest epidemic you'll see int he developed world are in London, Sydney and in Black America. Not exactly catholic strongholds.

    India has a massive HIV problem.

    BUt let's just look at the countries with the biggest HIV problems in Africa.

    Botswana: 70% are christian. Mostly non catholics.

    Lesotho: Only 45% of the population are catholic.

    South Africa: 8-10% are catholic.

    Swaziland: Don't know the numbers, but the majority are not catholic.

    I just get really sad when I see people trying to trivialise a problem with non truths. It's so much more complex than that. I'll happily chat to anyone on the biology+medicine forum about the HIV epidemic, because I don't wanna get too technical here.

    But the HIV problem in Africa is minimally affected by the catholic church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,114 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So, because my post is ridiculing these scams that means it has to be sarcastic?

    No, it's honest and how I feel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    walshb wrote: »
    So, because my post is ridiculing these scams that means it has to be sarcastic?

    No, it's honest and how I feel.

    Fair play if you really think that you have any kind of knowledge to back up what you've said.

    My guess is that you have no idea about the work of any of the groups named as benefactors from this money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    And what the heck would foreign aids be anyways
    Unprotected "insert nationality of choice here" sex?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    Having sex outside marraige is a far bigger sin then using contraception. If they were such good catholics they wouldn't be sleeping around. If they are going to break one rule what not break the other??
    Its a horribly uninformed & ignorant opinion that is levied against the church


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    ragg wrote: »
    Having sex outside marraige is a far bigger sin then using contraception. If they were such good catholics they wouldn't be sleeping around. If they are going to break one rule what not break the other??
    Its a horribly uninformed & ignorant opinion that is levied against the church

    Not to mention the massive effect shagging prostitutes had on the early stages of the epidemic in most african countries :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    tallaght01 wrote: »
    The HIV epidemic is also rampant in non catholic parts of Africa, and in non-catholic countries. In fact the biggest epidemic you'll see int he developed world are in London, Sydney and in Black America. Not exactly catholic strongholds.

    India has a massive HIV problem.

    BUt let's just look at the countries with the biggest HIV problems in Africa.

    Botswana: 70% are christian. Mostly non catholics.

    Lesotho: Only 45% of the population are catholic.

    South Africa: 8-10% are catholic.

    Swaziland: Don't know the numbers, but the majority are not catholic.

    I just get really sad when I see people trying to trivialise a problem with non truths. It's so much more complex than that. I'll happily chat to anyone on the biology+medicine forum about the HIV epidemic, because I don't wanna get too technical here.

    Ut the HIV problem in Africa is minimally affected by the catholic church.

    Fair enough. maybe bleeding hearts crying out about the church's actions effecting Africa had me over estimate the populace's membership. I am right in saying that some of their governments did actually fight against giving their people anti-hiv drugs though am I?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    ragg wrote: »
    Having sex outside marraige is a far bigger sin then using contraception. If they were such good catholics they wouldn't be sleeping around. If they are going to break one rule what not break the other??
    Its a horribly uninformed & ignorant opinion that is levied against the church

    Let me say that nothing, NOTHING should be levied against the church. They are entitled to their opinions (ludicrous that they are). It is their followers that should have opinions levied against. Although I accept that maybe the level of catholicism in the areas were over-estimated in my mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Fair enough. maybe bleeding hearts crying out about the church's actions effecting Africa had me over estimate the populace's membership. I am right in saying that some of their governments did actually fight against giving their people anti-hiv drugs though am I?

    Yea, there's some truth in that. Most African countries will take as many drugs as you can give them. BUt while I was working in south africa, and 70% of my patients were dying if HIV, their government was telling us that the drugs were useless. This was patently wrong. But it was all about the cash. They were really really expensive back then. They're still pricey enough at $100 per person per year. But there are now no governments that are against the drugs. Thank god, coz the drugs are one of the most important factors in preventing the spread of HIV. They were pretty dark days in south africa.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Meh, let natural selection run it's course.


    There's never been a man caught in a whirl pool who didn't cry out for a life buoy!.

    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Quint


    eoin wrote: »
    So say "No", and drama over.

    Exactly, click no and keep your €2, end of problem. Some of the responses here you'd think this was a huge problem! Those guys in Africa have it easy, some may be 3 years old with hiv and no parents, but we have an extra button to press when buying a flight otherwise we'll lose out on €2!
    Big fecken deal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,114 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yeah, but this is just the start. Wait and see, before long the heads will be trying to make this a legal requirement. The issue isn't the paltry 2 Euro, it's the genuineness of the matter. Is is sincere and real, or the same old ego trippers exploiting Africa Africa Africa.

    The Geldof's and Robinson's and Bono's will be lobbying to make this
    legal, and they won't bloody stop at 2 euro either. The rich and well off are the great at spending other peoples money and you can bet, it's the well off who have come up with this scam. If they had their way, they'd be importing Africans here and evicting us from our houses to make way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    walshb wrote: »
    Yeah, but this is just the start. Wait and see, before long the heads will be trying to make this a legal requirement. The issue isn't the paltry 2 Euro, it's the genuineness of the matter. Is is sincere and real, or the same old ego trippers exploiting Africa Africa Africa.

    The Geldof's and Robinson's and Bono's will be lobbying to make this
    legal, and they won't bloody stop at 2 euro either. The rich and well off are the great at spending other peoples money and you can bet, it's the well off who have come up with this scam. If they had their way, they'd be importing Africans here and evicting us from our houses to make way.

    Welcome to my ignore list. Life is too short to have to read crap like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,114 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    Welcome to my ignore list. Life is too short to have to read crap like this.

    Damn, I'm so upset now!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Let me say that nothing, NOTHING should be levied against the church. They are entitled to their opinions (ludicrous that they are)

    Fully agree, complete load of ****e - just that particular accusation is unfair


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