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What's the point of crying?

  • 16-09-2009 01:28AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭


    From an evolutionary standpoint, I mean?

    It's completely useless. I understand needing to feel pain and to scream in pain (to not further damage yourself and to alert other people to a dangerous situation, respectively), but I seriously don't understand the evolutionary purpose of generating tears. If anything, it's a hindrance, at least in a "fight or flight" scenario. There's not really much point from a societal point of view, either.

    So what the hell is the point? Anyone know?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    On your own, or with one person whom you're comfortable with, it can be very cathartic - it's a good release.

    But I'd be mortified if it happened to me in public.

    Aw Christ... crying that is! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭netwhizkid


    ahem...
    from leftwingapedia

    The question of the function or origin of emotional tears remains open. Theories range from the simple, such as response to inflicted pain, to the more complex, including nonverbal communication in order to elicit "helping" behaviour from others.[6]

    In Hippocratic and medieval medicine, tears were associated with the bodily humours, and crying was seen as purgation of excess humours from the brain.[7] William James thought of emotions as reflexes prior to rational thought, believing that the physiological response, as if to stress or irritation, is a precondition to cognitively becoming aware of emotions such as fear or anger.

    William H. Frey II, a biochemist at the University of Minnesota, proposed that people feel "better" after crying, due to the elimination of hormones associated with stress, specifically adrenocorticotropic hormone.[8] This, paired with increased mucosal secretion during crying, could lead to a theory that crying is a mechanism developed in humans to dispose of this stress hormone when levels grow too high.

    Recent psychological theories of crying emphasize the relationship of crying to the experience of perceived helplessness.[9] From this perspective, an underlying experience of helplessness can usually explain why people cry; for example, a person may cry after receiving surprisingly happy news, ostensibly because the person feels powerless or unable to influence what is happening.

    Emotional tears have also been put into an evolutionary context. One study proposes that crying, by blurring vision, can handicap aggressive or defensive actions, and may function as a reliable signal of appeasement, need, or attachment [10].


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Dudess wrote: »
    On your own, or with one person whom you're comfortable with, it can be very cathartic - it's a good release.

    But I'd be mortified if it happened to me in public.

    Don't get me wrong, I love crying if I'm upset and have things pent up, it is a wonderful release and makes me feel a lot better.

    But I still don't understand why we evolved to cry. There's a reason for most of the physical reactions people produce, but generating tears? Other than to get stuff out of your eyes it's kind of pointless, and that's not the purpose of crying when one is upset.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    netwhizkid wrote: »
    ahem...

    All I got from that is that nobody knows. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    And it makes your eyes all red-rimmed and swollen and your face blotchy - 'tis a horrible look.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Does everything human have to have a point? We're not exactly machines with streamlined function and form, there's lots of strange and funky aspects of the human body that don't particularly make a huge lick of sense.

    I mean, the funny bone. What the hell does that do, except cause excrutiating pain when you bonk it against something?

    Or for that matter, the appendix, which just randomly kills you!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Does everything human have to have a point? We're not exactly machines with streamlined function and form, there's lots of strange and funky aspects of the human body that don't particularly make a huge lick of sense.

    I mean, the funny bone. What the hell does that do, except cause excrutiating pain when you bonk it against something?

    Or for that matter, the appendix, which just randomly kills you!

    In fairness I struggle to think of a human reaction outside of crying which has no purpose at all.

    I'm not sure why there's such an exaggerated reaction from the funnybone but I'm sure there's a reason for it, perhaps it's particularly easy to put out of place or if it gets severely hurt it messes up the rest of your arm or something so it's your body's way of saying "well chum, have a care."

    As for the appendix, it does have a purpose, nobody really knew what the purpose was til lately though. Also, it did have its point in evolutionary history.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    I reckon it's something to do with a need for help, kinda like a red-flag to those around you that you are in need of help cos you are in pain, whether it is physical or emotional.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,183 ✭✭✭✭Will


    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071120024457AAW9Hti
    Crying is a more complicated process than one would at first imagine. First of all, there are really three different types of tears. Basal tears keep our eyes lubricated constantly. Reflex tears are produced when our eyes get irritated, like with onions or when something gets into our eyes. The third kind of tear is produced when the body reacts emotionally to something. Each type of tear contains different amounts of chemical proteins and hormones. Scientists have discovered that the emotional tears contain higher levels of manganese and the hormone prolactin, and this contributes in a reduction of both of these in the body; thus helping to keep depression away. Many people have found that crying actually calms them after being upset, and this is in part due to the chemicals and hormones that are released in the tears.

    seems to stave off depression and keep your eyes lubed :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    Sometimes we all need a good cry, it builds up and the release can give you pleasure of hours afterwards. I tried to go the whole month of September without a cry, but i only lasted a few days. Longest few days of my life.









    Replace cry with flap for male responce


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    I bet there'll be some reference to Chuck Norris evolving beyond crying and shedding tears...

    *sigh*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    I would go with the 'eliciting "helping" behaviour from others' explanation.

    It is a very entertaining pastime though, to look for evolutionary reasons for human/other animal characteristics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    why do men have nipples?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,605 ✭✭✭Fizman


    I bet there'll be some reference to Chuck Norris evolving beyond crying and shedding tears...

    .
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    I bet there'll be some reference to Chuck Norris evolving beyond crying and shedding tears...


    Congrats on a fine prediction! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    why do men have nipples?

    We get them before our sexes are differentiated I stink.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    why do men have nipples?

    So they can be crippled? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    I bet there'll be some reference to Chuck Norris evolving beyond crying and shedding tears...

    *sigh*

    I can't resist.........:D


    Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer. Too bad he never cries. Ever

    Chuck Norris makes onions cry

    Chuck Norris has to use a stunt double when he does crying scenes.

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    stepbar wrote: »
    I can't resist.........:D


    Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer. Too bad he never cries. Ever

    Chuck Norris makes onions cry

    Chuck Norris has to use a stunt double when he does crying scenes.

    :D

    Chuck Norris is ginger and overrated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Will wrote: »
    seems to stave off depression and keep your eyes lubed :pac:

    Crying staves off depression?! Weird, when I suffered from depression I cried like a motherfukker! My tear-ducts must be broken or something, depressing thought.







    *sniff* does anyone have a kleenex? :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    orestes wrote: »
    *sniff* does anyone have a kleenex? :(

    We all know you're just fapping!
    :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    We all know you're just fapping!
    :pac:

    A cry fap?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    I'd go with the eliciting a helpful response from others theory. If you think about it the people who cry most are children and over dramatic women. These people ovbiously cry to garner sympathy and thus help from other people.

    As for the rest of us we cry when we are in severe pain or emotionally fragile, times when we need sympathy and help from others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    why do men have nipples?


    <I'll bite>

    Cos we'd look even more stupid without them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭bronte


    why do men have nipples?

    They do something, and I'm determined to find out what it is. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    We all know you're just fapping!
    :pac:

    I knew those posts in feedback tonight would come back to bite me on the arse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    An evolutionary explanation?

    Like laughing or smiling, crying is a very clear outward manifestation of an emotional state that might otherwise go unnoticed, making use of an existing system (tear ducts) at little additional cost. Crying helps the social group identify an emotional issue with one of its members, and creates an opportunity to either offer assistance/comfort, take advantage, or bloodlessly acknowledge the defeat of a rival, all of which helps the group function better as a whole. In this way it confers an evolutionary advantage on a population whose members can behave in this way. Crying in adults is also an extension of the infant qualities that humans seem to value in their mates.

    Much that is unique about humans is based on the need for clear communication of complex internal states.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭Sofaspud


    why do men have nipples?
    gambiaman wrote: »
    <I'll bite>

    Dude, there's a time and a place!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭tech77


    liah wrote: »
    In fairness I struggle to think of a human reaction outside of crying which has no purpose at all.

    Does laughing merit a similar query?
    OK basically it's a cacophany (for wantof a better word) in response to something humourous.
    Yeah, OK- it's supposedly a mechanism to release tension after a perceived threat recedes (or punchline is arrived at)- or something like that.

    But i dunno, the act of laughing just seems like a similarly arbitrary response.
    Even smiling seems arbitrary.

    I am sure there is a good reason for all these things- i just wondered if they are fully known.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    My o/h and kids use crying very effectivly to get there own way on many things relating from lunch money(for the wife) and watching emerdale(for the kids) or is that the other way around.

    Me on the other hand. I just do what i am told!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    if different types of tears contain different levels of certain hormones would it be possible to produce a home tester kit to test if someone is faking to manipulate you? Guys would carry these tests around like condoms!


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