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Argentina invited to join Tri-Nations

  • 14-09-2009 09:54AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,993 ✭✭✭


    Argentina have been invited to join New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in a new Four Nations tournament from 2012.

    The competition will replace the existing Tri Nations, but Argentina will only be accepted if they satisfy conditions which include guaranteeing that their strongest side is available.

    SANZAR, which comprises the New Zealand, Australian and South African rugby unions, will have the final say on whether Argentina fulfil the entry requirements.

    SANZAR chief executive Andy Marinos said: “To have the Pumas, currently ranked sixth in the world, join with the three top ranked international teams in world rugby will be exciting for fans, players, sponsors and broadcasters across our four countries and beyond.

    “They play a different style to the All Blacks, Springboks and Wallabies and their inclusion will see the Tri Nations evolve to be a truly southern hemisphere championship.”

    Australian Rugby Union chief executive John O’Neill said: “Argentina has shown commitment, passion and a work ethic to date that highlights their desire to have the Pumas playing at the highest level possible on a consistent basis.

    “Australia is excited by the possibility of having the Pumas in a Four Nations Championship.

    “It is important therefore, with a conditional invitation on the table, for Argentina to keep moving forward and satisfying the necessary conditions.”

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/pumas-handed-fournations-invite-426258.html

    Should be interesting to see how things pan out logistically, but all in all great news for the competition and for Argentinian rugby.

    Edit: also Tri Nations site link: http://www.trinationsweb.com/news/viewarticle.asp?id=22145
    Argentina has been invited to join World Cup champion South Africa, Australia and New Zealand in an expanded Four Nations rugby series from 2012.

    SANZAR, the group which runs international and provincial tournaments involving South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, said Monday it has extended a conditional invitation for Argentina to join the established Tri-Nations countries after the next World Cup.

    The officials said Argentina will be asked to guarantee the participation of their best players to play in the Four Nations, and that Argentinian players will be given the opportunity to play in the Super 15 tournament on club teams from South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.

    The format for the FourNations would see each team playing on a home-and-away basis - six matches per team and 12 matches overall.

    Andy Marinos, acting managing director of SA Rugby and chief executive of SANZAR, said Argentina would provide a contrast in playing style to the three existing teams.

    "To have the Pumas, third at Rugby World Cup 2007 and currently ranked sixth in the world, join with the three top-ranked international teams in world rugby will be exciting for fans, players, sponsors and broadcasters across our four countries and beyond," Marinos said.

    "They play a different style to the All Blacks, Springboks and Wallabies and their inclusion will see the Tri-Nations evolve to be a truly southern hemisphere championship."

    The Four Nations would be played from mid-August (following the end of the new Super rugby competition) for an eight- or nine-week period until early to mid-October. In a Rugby World Cup year, an abbreviated format will be played through July and August.

    Porfirio Carrera, president of the Union Argentina de Rugby (UAR) called the invitation a "momentous time for rugby" in his country.

    Agustin Pichot, captain of the Pumas at the 2007 Rugby World Cup and now a member of Argentine rugby's high performance board, said the decision will mean an increased level of interest in the sport in his country.

    "We are delighted to have the chance to become a great rugby nation and to play in top-level international rugby," Pichot said.

    "This exciting development will be vital to grow the game in Argentina. This is historic and everyone in Argentina should be proud."

    The Australian Rugby Union said in a statement it has encouraged Argentina to continue the "hard work required" to meet SANZAR financial conditions that would allow the Pumas to play in the Tri-Nations.

    "Argentina has shown commitment, passion and a work ethic to date that highlights their desire to have the Pumas playing at the highest level possible on a consistent basis," ARU chief executive John O'Neill said.

    "It is important therefore, with a conditional invitation on the table, for Argentina to keep moving forward and satisfying the necessary conditions."

    Argentina played its first international rugby match in 1910 against a touring British Isles team. It is has competed in all six World Cup tournaments played since 1987, with its best finish coming in a run to the semifinals in France two years ago.

    The most elite of the Argentine players have contracts with European clubs, but the Pumas have had limited exposure to tournament-style international competition.

    The top six European countries play an annual Six Nations tournament, which was established long before SANZAR turned independent tours by southern teams into an annual Tri-Nations tournament in the 1990s.


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭B0X


    Thank god! It was terrible that there was a top tier rugby team without any yearly competition. I wonder how they'll fare with the time differences though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    B0X wrote: »
    I wonder how they'll fare with the time differences though.
    ?? How do you mean?
    It wouldn't be much different to a South African playing in Wellington.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    About time that pig headed egomaniac O'Neil finally realised that playing the Boks and Kiwis 36 times a season isn't the way to increase public interest.

    No reason the Argies cant be at full strength for this. They're going to take a few 40 point beatings for the first four years though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭KarlNedCarew



    No reason the Argies cant be at full strength for this. They're going to take a few 40 point beatings for the first four years though.

    I'd say the reason that the clause was put in is because most of their squad plays abroad

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina_national_rugby_union_team#Current_squad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    No reason the Argies cant be at full strength for this

    Actually there is a real potential headache here. Club/Franchise v Country will rear its head again.
    A privately-owned rugby union club such as in England or France will be very reluctant to let one of their players play all-year round. To avoid this problem an Argentinian player would have to play in a Super 14 franchise and I don't think the relevant franchises have the money to be to afford these players.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,773 ✭✭✭emergingstar


    bout time they got the chance to play in a yearly comp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    About ****ing time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Justind wrote: »
    To avoid this problem an Argentinian player would have to play in a Super 14 franchise and I don't think the relevant franchises have the money to be to afford these players.
    Really. Why not?
    I think we'll see the top Argentinian players play for Top 14 franchises.
    If they can get 20 Argentinian players over the 14 clubs, then all will be fine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    Really. Why not?
    Because their unions are not exactly flush these days. Both in Australia and New Zealand.

    All well and good if not a problem, of course. Argentina do need top flight regular annual competition. And the Tri Nations needs a breath of fresh air.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    About time tbh, this has been suggested around rugby fans and pundits for years. Great move for the tournament, for Argentina, and the sport in general


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    About time that pig headed egomaniac O'Neil finally realised that playing the Boks and Kiwis 36 times a season isn't the way to increase public interest

    The head of SANZAR is a South African and it is he who presides over decisions such as this. Not the head of the ARU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    The biggest obstacle to the Argentinians playing in the Tri-nations won't be the availability of the players it will be whether the UAR will be able to make the grade, they are still amateur AFAIK and this has led to a lot of negotiations breaking down.
    It would be nice to see them competing in the competition and would do a lot for the game, and the finances of the respective unions, which is probably the object of the proposal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Great news - it will be good for tri nations - watching SA v the All Blacks or Aus., used to be a special treat , rather than a weeky occurance - pity the Pacific Islanders cant join in, somehow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Real FM


    The Pacific Islanders are playing in The Tri Nations - They're all put together on this team called New Zealand!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Real FM wrote: »
    The Pacific Islanders are playing in The Tri Nations - They're all put together on this team called New Zealand!

    Rubbish, most of the players who end up playing for either New Zealand or for one of the Island teams are actually from New Zealand. New Zealand have loads of their players "poached" by the Islands, year in, year out and no one bats an eyelid. The Auckland born Isa Nacewa is an example of this type of poaching.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Real FM wrote: »
    The Pacific Islanders are playing in The Tri Nations - They're all put together on this team called New Zealand!

    Bla bla change the record that ones old.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Very clever move by SANZAR - get a load of new blood into the competition alongside the S14 expansion to 15 clubs [new Melbourne Franchise]

    For this to work, loads/most of the Argentine players will have to move to that competition for it to work tbh - cant see it working any other way tbh.

    Hope it does work out - great for world rugby..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Madworld


    I have to say its great news.

    I'd also hope lead to the establishment of a S14 franchise in Argentina at some stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,024 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    The Auckland born Isa Nacewa is an example of this type of poaching.

    Matamata.
    And he never would have made the AB's.

    Rocokoko
    Sivivatu
    Jerry Collins
    Tuigamala
    Ieremia
    So'oialo
    Schwalger

    All born in the islands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 388 ✭✭Blut


    Good news for both Argentina and Rugby in general.

    What are the chances of an Argentinian team being founded to take a place in the Super14? It would help get all their players home from the Northern Hemisphere and onto a more suitable timetable for the Four-Nations quickly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    Matamata.
    And he never would have made the AB's.

    Rocokoko
    Sivivatu
    Jerry Collins
    Tuigamala
    Ieremia
    So'oialo
    Schwalger

    All born in the islands.

    And all grew up in New Zealand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 943 ✭✭✭OldJay


    d'Oracle wrote: »
    Rocokoko
    Sivivatu
    Jerry Collins
    Tuigamala
    Ieremia
    So'oialo
    Schwalger

    All born in the islands

    . . . and all raised in New Zealand except for Sivivatu who is a naturalised Kiwi through over a decade of residency.

    Ronan O'Gara and Jamie Heaslip were both born overseas. Whats the difference between Jamie Heaslip and Jez Collins, for example? Was Spike Milligan 'Indian'?

    People tend to overlook that people from various Pacific islands migrate to New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the States just like anyone else seeking a decent life, be it out of necessity or choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Real FM


    Rubbish, most of the players who end up playing for either New Zealand or for one of the Island teams are actually from New Zealand. New Zealand have loads of their players "poached" by the Islands, year in, year out and no one bats an eyelid. The Auckland born Isa Nacewa is an example of this type of poaching.


    ...Deep breath...and relax. That's better now, isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Justind wrote: »
    . . . and all raised in New Zealand except for Sivivatu who is a naturalised Kiwi through over a decade of residency.

    Ronan O'Gara and Jamie Heaslip were both born overseas. Whats the difference between Jamie Heaslip and Jez Collins, for example? Was Spike Milligan 'Indian'?

    People tend to overlook that people from various Pacific islands migrate to New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the States just like anyone else seeking a decent life, be it out of necessity or choice.

    Exactly. The NZRU are hardly going to apologise for New Zealand being a wealthy country. It'd be great if Argentina could establish a professional team. Maybe after a few years of playing in the Tri-Nations they'll have the cash, or are there other bigger problems for them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    New Zealand is a modern first world country, people have options open to them for work, study etc when they move there from the Islands. If you have ever been to Auckland you will know that it is actually like a giant melting pot of Pacific Island culture, Not just Samoa,Fiji and Tonga, but also other pacific islands.
    Enoch Powell would be thanking some of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Real FM


    I think some people need to discover the wonders of Vallium. I said absolutely nothing about poaching or stealing...simply pointed out that a lot of people for the Pacific Islands play for NZ.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Real FM wrote: »
    ...Deep breath...and relax. That's better now, isn't it?

    Not really, you're still clinging to your mistaken beliefs, how will i ever rest in the knowledge that someone on the internet is wrong....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Real FM wrote: »
    I think some people need to discover the wonders of Vallium. I said absolutely nothing about poaching or stealing...simply pointed out that a lot of people for the Pacific Islands play for NZ.

    Because they are born or raised in New Zealand? A lot of Irish people play for Ireland too, you should start a thread about that.

    what about all the New Zealanders playing for the Islands?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,772 ✭✭✭toomevara


    Bloody delighted, great news for International Rugby Union, and the moribund tri-nations. Hope this goes a way towards allowing the game in Argentina to go fully professional.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,249 ✭✭✭Stev_o


    Actually thinking about it know SANZAR should of invited Argentina Jaguars into S14 as a extra franchise, i know they are a International A side but they acquitted themselves very well in the CC.


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