What is the attraction to Scientology?

Salvelinus · 08-09-2009 07:34PM

Fair play to you for protesting. Did you get any backlash? I heard they can intimidate their protestors.

Biggins · 08-09-2009 07:37PM

Salvelinus wrote: »

Fair play to you for protesting. Did you get any backlash? I heard they can intimidate their protestors.

Not against me personally so far. I assume they have done their homework and checked me out anyway. They usually do.
It wouldn't be too hard. I have spoken out against them in the papers (Irish Times for example) with my name included.
I can only assume from what they might have found out about me, I was not one to have a go at.
That said, I know of others whom were "intimidated" for speaking out simply against them.

BrokenArrows · 08-09-2009 07:42PM

Scientology is not that popular. Besides the amount of media coverage it has gotten not to mention southpark (brilliant episode by the way) their amount of members is small.

There members are thought be to in the 50-60,000 reaching a max of about 100,000 at some point.
info gotten here http://www.lermanet.com/howmany.htm

So really 50-60k is not really that popular for a world wide "religion".

lostexpectation · 08-09-2009 07:46PM

did you see they were handing out anti-pysch-drugs dvd and stuff in bray after that killing

chalad07 · 08-09-2009 07:49PM

It's so funny that people look at all scientology's beliefs as crazy, but a miracle performing zombie with a split personality is fine!

Kalashnikov_Kid · 08-09-2009 07:51PM

Jackovarian wrote: »

Just wondering, why do you think people get involved in Scientology so easily?

Scientology is great, you should join.

Lodge some money in my account and I'll tell you more...

ejmaztec · 08-09-2009 08:02PM

They'll end up slugging it out with the Raëlians, whose founder also had alien encounters.:eek:

Pygmalion · 08-09-2009 08:06PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

They'll end up slugging it out with the Raëlians, whose founder also had alien encounters.:eek:

L. Ron (founder of scientology) never encountered them himself as far as I know, he just someone knew the exact details of what happened 10s of millions of years ago, to the extent that he even knew what the spaceships looked like.

Some would question where he got his knowledge of this since all but one of the people involved are dead AFAIK, and the other has been trapped in a volcano since then and there's no written records.

ElaElaElano · 09-09-2009 03:15AM

I've spent the last three months compiling loads of information, personal accounts etc. of Scientology as part of an article, my concern though is that they'll start harassing me as they have done with others in the past. There was a case in the 90s of a Sunday Times journalist who wrote a lengthy exposé on them, consequently they sued him (they have strong beliefs about journalists and refuse to engage in open debate with 'outsiders' about their beliefs) and when that was rejected by the courts, they started making accusations that he killed some bloke in a pub in London, followed up with rape allegations. This apparently went on for ages.

What drove me to learning about them was actually a close to home incident. My mam was seeing this hypnotherapist, who someone recommended to her. She's bi-polar and the idea was that this guy could rid her of it (silly, I know). So as these sessions progressed, his true colours started to come out and he advised her to stop taking antidepressants, claiming that they do more harm than good. Soon as she did this, straight into hospital after attempting to kill herself. When she told me about his methods and advice, I thought it sounded very familiar to Scientology and I wasn't wrong. His beliefs match theirs down to a tee, and yet remarkably he's still open for business.

When you get deep into peoples' personal accounts, some of the stuff is horrific. I mean the whole concept is laughable from the outside, but have a google of Scientology related deaths etc. Incredible.

Apparently once you reach a certain stage in the cult, they introduce you to their true beliefs, which you can't disclose to the outside world. They say that the alien Xenu from 75 million years ago sent particles of evil into each and every human being, through a spacecraft that looks like a standard airplane (haha!) and only through Scientology can you release these demons and become pure. Of course it all starts off very innocently with 'personality tests' on Grafton Street, which scientists have researched and discovered that no matter what combination of answers you give, the conclusion is the same- you're f*cked and only we can save you (at a cost).

I really feel more needs to be done to stop this cult. It's a massive money spinner in the US and at the expense of human life in a lot of cases. They may not have really broken through over here yet but even a few hundred new recruits a year is too many.

jill_valentine · 09-09-2009 03:21AM

The thing about South Park and Tom and all is that it makes the organisation look kind of harmlessly eccentric. It's not - they do real damage to real, normal people who turned to them looking for the help they promised. Canvassing in Bray is one example of how they go about it.

I've protested outside their HQ. Guy made a point of trying to photograph the faces of anybody who wasn't masked.

Ruu_Old · 09-09-2009 03:34AM

They prey on the vulnerable. The celebrity center thing is a great idea though, look how many people are fascinated with lives of celebrities and dream of following in their footsteps. They could be banned from France, maybe it will be a wake up call for other countries.

GLaDOS · 09-09-2009 03:35AM

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

Scary video about supposed Scientology crimes

cuppa · 09-09-2009 04:13AM

Biggins wrote: »

Had a friend who was sucked into it.
Was requested by the family to extract said person as I was the only one capable of doing it with available resources to hand.

Cool,so how did you contact The A Team.
S

galwayrush · 09-09-2009 08:22AM

I find them amusing in their stupidity:pac:

galwayrush · 09-09-2009 08:23AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggins :
Had a friend who was sucked into it.
Was requested by the family to extract said person as I was the only one capable of doing it with available resources to hand.

cuppa wrote: »

Cool,so how did you contact The A Team.
S

Threw him a snickers bar.;)

Biggins · 09-09-2009 08:49AM

The biggest mistake a person can make is to underestimate these money grabbing scum.

They are the only cult that has an official army, Sea Army (Sea-Org) and a full-time towering international investigation Branch (HQ at Whitewater, Florida). They have thousand of solicitors/lawyers on constant full-time legal work issuing liability claims and is staffed full-time by their own "Doctors" (but in cases exposed, shown not to be) and supposed trained "nurses".

Their power lies in the money that is being given to them.
In America their tax status is a national joke. They should not have got it plain and simple.
However due to their successful infiltration into areas such as the financial government departments and even the FBI (all on record) they managed to bring about their American "religious" status and so claim to be tax free there.

Their crime are widespread Across America and Europe, for example:
* http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/04/world/main3230599.shtml?source=search_story
* http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1023717.ece
* http://www.scientology-kills.org/cultattacks.htm
* http://youfoundthecard.com/scientology-kills.php

Currently members are on trial in France, Italy, Germany and America for similar crimes such as kidnapping, murder, rape and harassing ordinary citizens.

If anyone thinks they are just going to go away easily and we should just ignore them, the cult would want that!
Then they could carry on doing the money grabbing, family splitting, brainwashing antics they do...

More information on the cult can be found at the following sites:

www.xenu.net

www.factnet.org

www.scientologywatch.org

www.suppressiveperson.org/

www.spaink.net

www.narconon-exposed.org

www.studytech.org

www.modemac.com

www.truthaboutscientology.com

www.scientology-lies.com

www.lermanet.com

www.freedomofmind.com

www.altreligionscientology.org

www.xenutv.com

http://www.unitedpeople.ie/exposed.html

General Zod · 09-09-2009 08:54AM

They were handing out the CCHR DVD's in Bray after the recent killings?

oppertunist scum.

Sam Vimes · 09-09-2009 09:12AM

Pygmalion wrote: »

If you've actually looked at the core beliefs of scientology from the beginning it's easy to see why people believe it.

When you first join scientology you're told very little (pretty much none) of the crazy beliefs, you're pretty much told that bad experiences in your life can cause problems in the future and that by talking about them and getting over them you'll end up happier and less stressed, and this works for many people.

You pretty much "work your way up" (for want of a better phrase) to the crazy ****, at the start it's perfectly reasonable, then they tell you a bit of crazy stuff

I wouldn't say that exactly. I went into their place in Times Square for the laugh and they had myself and my girlfriend watch a video about how they can sure arthritis and asthma through the power of positive thought. One of the stories in the video was that a bloke was in a car crash and while semi-conscious one the ambulance drivers was complaining about his girlfriend and saying he was going to break up with her. The video said this conversation went into his "unconscious mind" or something like that. Then a few weeks later he was driving with his girlfriend and they had a near miss and this conversation came to the front of his mind and he broke up with his girlfriend because the other guy was talking about breaking up with his.

And eh.... they can fix that

After the video I said to the brainwasher that it was dangerous for them to claim they can cure asthma, mentioned the South Park episode with Xenu and the aliens and the guy walked off and left me

Biggins wrote: »

For (one) example: they are taught that anything that disagrees with their way of life or thinking process is either just pure evil and/or wrong from beginning to end.

Oh you mean like Christianity?

Kiith · 09-09-2009 09:17AM

Space aliens, Volcano's, DC-8 intergalactic airships....sounds like fun.

Biggins · 09-09-2009 09:25AM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

...Oh you mean like Christianity?

No, in like that you should completely walk away from such "evil" people right now even if they are your parents, wife or husband, children, etc right now!
Go, just leave...
Never get in contact with them, they are infected...
They are completely corrupt and you should come live with us, give us your body to do with what we please, we can take your money from as soon as you get it into your hands (if your lucky to even touch it at all), etc.

(http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=3333)

I'm an atheist, I have my own feelings about religion - BUT people should not attempt (in order to perhaps score points!) to compare Christianity or any other heartfelt genuine religion to the cult of Scientology.

There is a major, major difference in many ways but for one simple quick example: with the beginning of all foundations of all religions.
What is it?
Just ask a Scientologist whom is their equivalent of "Jesus" - Mohammed - Buddha, etc?
The average reply will be silence! There is none.

Their religion is a fraud convoluted by a man (shown also to be a liar, fraud and abuser) that once said on record "the best way to become rich, is to make your own religion".
Guess what? He did!

Don't even attempt to compare Christianity's teachings to the workings and ideological basis of Scientology.
Anyone with half a brain will see there is a gulf of difference.

Nolanger · 09-09-2009 09:28AM

Aren't the Jive Masters (jazz/swing big band) who play every year at the top of Grafton St supposed to be Scientologists?

Sam Vimes · 09-09-2009 10:10AM

Biggins wrote: »

No, in like that you should completely walk away from such "evil" people right now even if they are your parents, wife or husband, children, etc right now!
Go, just leave...
Never get in contact with them, they are infected...
They are completely corrupt and you should come live with us, give us your body to do with what we please, we can take your money from as soon as you get it into your hands (if your lucky to even touch it at all), etc.

Don't even attempt to compare Christianity's teachings to the workings and ideological basis of Scientology.
Anyone with half a brain will see there is a gulf of difference.

Scientology are more forceful in their application and the church don't tend to teach it as much nowadays but the message is the same: if you don't believe in this you are a bad person and will be punished. I'm not suggesting for one minute that your average parish priest would tell you that any non-catholics are evil but it is a teaching of christianity that anyone who doesn't belive in christianity, no matter how good a person they are, is going to burn

Biggins · 09-09-2009 10:39AM

I do know a good reason why protesting against them is also good!
When you come up against the likes of these (similar but not official Scientology) members below also protesting against you!

See here: http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=3510

NOT SAFE FOR WORK!

(They had to cover the nipples or be arrested.)

Now why can't all religions be like that! LOL

Jeanious · 09-09-2009 05:26PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Scientology are more forceful in their application and the church don't tend to teach it as much nowadays but the message is the same: if you don't believe in this you are a bad person and will be punished. I'm not suggesting for one minute that your average parish priest would tell you that any non-catholics are evil but it is a teaching of christianity that anyone who doesn't belive in christianity, no matter how good a person they are, is going to burn

"Amen" brother! Let's not give any of the other religions any credence just because they're older or whatever, sure in a couple of hundred years time the "prophet" might be L. Ron himself. We can see now what a heap of absolute thundering garbage it is, but i don't regard any of the other religions as anything different, notwithtanding their methods, which i agree are sly, dubious, and probably mired in a legal grey area.

How they got tax exempt status in America is beyond me (well it would be, if it was anywhere else but America), and the day they get recognised over here is the day i pack it in altogether.

HE...MADE....IT....ALL...UP!

Jackovarian · 09-09-2009 05:41PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfwQUvRcMr0

Very disturbing images.

Not sure how many of these claims are real.

Pygmalion · 09-09-2009 05:48PM

coyle wrote: »

HE...MADE....IT....ALL...UP!

Oh why did I highlight that, I was just a few thousand euro away from finding it out myself.

I suppose you think it's pretty funny to tell people that

Jesus comes back at the end, leaving it wide open for a sequel

orestes · 09-09-2009 05:55PM

Pygmalion wrote: »

When you first join scientology you're told very little (pretty much none) of the crazy beliefs, you're pretty much told that bad experiences in your life can cause problems in the future and that by talking about them and getting over them you'll end up happier and less stressed, and this works for many people.

Yeah, that's what psychiatrists and other mental health care is for, which oddly enough scientology is completely opposed to and doesn't allow it's members to use

Biggins · 09-09-2009 05:58PM

Originally Posted by Pygmalion
When you first join scientology you're told very little (pretty much none) of the crazy beliefs, you're pretty much told that bad experiences in your life can cause problems in the future and that by talking about them and getting over them you'll end up happier and less stressed, and this works for many people.

orestes wrote: »

Yeah, that's what psychiatrists and other mental health care is for, which oddly enough scientology is completely opposed to and doesn't allow it's members to use

Shush, they might hear you and see actual sense!
God forbid that should happen! :rolleyes:

Flamed Diving · 09-09-2009 05:59PM

Elessar wrote: »

Brainwashing, in a nutshell.

Same as any religion, then.

enfant terrible · 09-09-2009 09:31PM

Is Scientology Above The Law?

http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=44191

What is the attraction to Scientology?

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