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Why are people so afraid of gay marriage?

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    #332
    Aard
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    Until you can put forward a logical argument, I'm going to consider you a troll.


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    #333
    philologos
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    itsonlywords wrote: »
    By abnormal I mean what is not normal for our species. I am convinced that it can be sorted. Really I do. Most of those people do it for attention. Limp wristed etc. You know when I think of DIRTY men putting their privates into a ****hole really sickens me as it should sicken any normal person

    Are you opposed to heterosexual sodomy too?

    As for it "being sorted"? What do you mean by this?

    I'm just looking to understand where you are coming from a bit more.


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    #334
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Are you opposed to heterosexual sodomy too?

    As for it "being sorted"? What do you mean by this?

    I'm just looking to understand where you are coming from a bit more.
    Answer 1 yes I am opposed to abnormal sex
    Sorted means coming back to normal


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    #335
    jaffa20
    Registered Users Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    itsonlywords wrote: »
    Answer 1 yes I am opposed to abnormal sex
    Sorted means coming back to normal
    itsonlywords wrote: »
    By abnormal I mean what is not normal for our species. I am convinced that it can be sorted. Really I do. Most of those people do it for attention. Limp wristed etc. You know when I think of DIRTY men putting their privates into a ****hole really sickens me as it should sicken any normal person
    itsonlywords wrote: »
    I suppose I hate the idea of two men or two women being abnormal. Nature is balck and white. In my opinion gays are people who do not have the confidence or looks to associate with the opposite sex and so go for the easy option. Makes sense when you look at 99% of queer men and women
    itsonlywords wrote: »
    "Arrogant hate"?. I pity him and I do not hate him. I hate his abnormal life. I pity him being laughed at when he walks with a more pronounced gait than a woman, when he speaks with a strange voice, his circle of friends etc. His choice of career is also feminine. Maybe he should have been born a girl then there would have been no confusion. But to act like a woaman then it is sad and abnormal.
    Question! All the prisioners in jails who have homosexual partners are they "gay"? Actually I never use that word normally as it indicates that the person is happy when in fact 90% are not
    itsonlywords wrote: »
    I am sorry but I do not respect him while he is in that state. Whne he goes back to normal I will show him respect again.

    :eek:

    Erm,

    Ugh,

    I couldn't be bothered! I'll just get banned if i do.


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    #336
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    jaffa20 wrote: »
    :eek:

    Erm,

    Ugh,

    I couldn't be bothered! I'll just get banned if i do.
    Ahhh please comment:D:D


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    #337
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Since about 10% of our population has been doing it since before were evolved into what we are now, I'd say it is fairly normal and natural. Homosexuality has also been well documented in hundreds of animal species.

    On behalf of my genus, people like you make me ashamed to call myself a homo.
    Hey your name sounds funny, something to do with your "practices"?


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    #338
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    itsonlywords wrote: »
    Hey your name sounds funny, something to do with your "practices"?

    Yes.


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    #339
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Yes.
    Yeooooogh how sickening? Hope you wash regularly. Pray to God for forgivness and he will help you back to normality.


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    #340
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    itsonlywords wrote: »
    Yeooooogh how sickening? Hope you wash regularly. Pray to God for forgivness and he will help you back to normality.

    Don't worry, god isn't real and even if he was, I wouldn't pander to his tyranny.


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    #341
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Don't worry, god isn't real and even if he was, I wouldn't pander to his tyranny.
    God is real and is not a tyrant. He will forgive you if you ask. God is powerful and merciful


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    #342
    rainbow kirby
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    jaffa20 wrote: »
    :eek:

    Erm,

    Ugh,

    I couldn't be bothered! I'll just get banned if i do.

    Ditto. People like that make me want to *facepalm* repeatedly.


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    #343
    Húrin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    itsonlywords wrote: »
    God is real and is not a tyrant. He will forgive you if you ask. God is powerful and merciful

    Maybe if you ask God to forgive your hatred someone else will ask him to forgive them their Chocoholism.


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    #344
    cotwold
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    itsonlywords wrote: »
    Are you mad? A single person who is normal will raise the child properly with normal values and teach the child that man+woman is normal. That is natures way and not the way of people who want to make us accept that deviant ways as normal. Might sound harsh but that is the law of nature and anything that goes against nature is wrong. My brother who is the other way ,after a long hard battle with me over years, had to finally agree with me that his acts are unnatural. Hopefully he will recover soon.

    You must be a very sad and isolated person thinking like that. Jesus loves you all the same.


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    #345
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    Húrin wrote: »
    Maybe if you ask God to forgive your hatred someone else will ask him to forgive them their Chocoholism.
    I have no hatred only pity for those people who are deviants. Nature is not like what they want us to accept as "normal"
    As you are quoting Jesus I will quote God

    When God created a partner for Adam He created Eve - not another Adam. This means that perfect partnership requires some level of difference as well as a level of similarity so great that Adam could cry out loudly, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh". Sexual intimacy between a man and a woman is the normal method of male/female bonding (emotionally and physically) because it corresponds to the design of our bodies and because it is the normal means by which offspring are created.
    leave it to queers and we would have all kids born from lesbians by artificial insemination like in the animal world in hoses and cows (never looked at that analogy before, interesting)and raised by men in daddy/daddy homes. What a sick world it would be. men down in trenches with limp wrists digging muck , what a laff


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    #346
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    cotwold wrote: »
    You must be a very sad and isolated person thinking like that. Jesus loves you all the same.
    I am very happy in a hetrosexual relationship with nobody laughing at me. I would hate to be laughed at for making out with a hairy man. What a sick thought.


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    #347
    philologos
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    itsonlywords: From one Christian to another here. If you want people to be appreciative of your viewpoint, it is best to explain your view without slander or revulsion. One can regard homosexuality as disgusting or unnatural, fine. However, slandering your brother isn't going to help him become a Christian.

    We are told to give an account of the hope that is within us with gentleness:
    1 Peter 3:15-16 wrote:
    Always be ready to make your defence to anyone who demands from you an account of the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and reverence. Keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are maligned, those who abuse you for your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame.

    It is only through compassion, and through showing Christ's compassion to other people that they will be receptive to what you have to say.

    We both know that the Christian text tells us to hold marriage in honour (Hebrews 13:4), and that any act of sexuality outside of marriage is considered to be a sin. That's fine, but do so gently.

    Homosexuals, may be people who have sinned. However, are you telling me you have never sinned in your life? Assuming you answer no (Romans 3:23), you do realise that your sin is detestable before God, and separates you from Him? (Isaiah 59:2)

    Show your fruit in discussion. Keep away from vulgar language, if you want your brother to see Christ in you, speak only words that are useful for building up (Ephesians 4:29)

    Although you may be theologically correct in the ethics of sexual relations, Christianity is about far far more than what goes on in the bedroom.


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    #348
    Aard
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    itsonlywords wrote: »
    I am very happy in a hetrosexual relationship with nobody laughing at me. I would hate to be laughed at for making out with a hairy man. What a sick thought.
    Caveat lector: I don't know why I'm bothering either.


    You think nobody is laughing at you? Try most homosexuals, along with a significant number of heterosexuals. Probably greater than the overall number who are "laughing" at me.


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    #349
    Iwasfrozen
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    Aard wrote: »
    Caveat lector: I don't know why I'm bothering either.


    You think nobody is laughing at you? Try most homosexuals, along with a significant number of heterosexuals. Probably greater than the overall number who are "laughing" at me.
    Don't feed the troll, maybe if we ignore him he will go away.

    @itsonlywords: There are other ways to get your opinion across than slandering people, be respectful in your opponency to Homosexuality and others will be respectful to you.


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    #350
    Shellie13
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    That is the law, I'm not saying I agree with it.

    Fosrtering is tough and placing such vunerable kids in a home is given careful consideration- clearly the people responsible for placing these kids in the care of a couple don't feel that the gender makes any difference. If this is so why not allow them to stay there permenatly?!


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    #351
    Shellie13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭Shellie13


    Amazing- a thread initially started to debate the points of gaymarriage has decesded into some non-sensical homophobic rant. Why are some people opposed to gay marragie?! - Because they're hateful and ignorant and the only way for them to feel secure in their misrible little existence is to bully a minority group.


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    philologos
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    Shellie13: I do think you are being awfully unfair. People do have genuine reservations towards gay marriage, and if one isn't willing to openly discuss the matter that's the intolerance not opposition to it.


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    #353
    Iwasfrozen
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    Shellie13 wrote: »
    Amazing- a thread initially started to debate the points of gaymarriage has decesded into some non-sensical homophobic rant. Why are some people opposed to gay marragie?! - Because they're hateful and ignorant and the only way for them to feel secure in their misrible little existence is to bully a minority group.
    ohhh, the irony.


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    #354
    jaffa20
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    ohhh, the irony.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Don't feed the troll, maybe if we ignore him he will go away.

    @itsonlywords: There are other ways to get your opinion across than slandering people, be respectful in your opponency to Homosexuality and others will be respectful to you.

    You did say opponency to "homosexuality" and not "gay marriage" which is the subject of the thread.

    @Jackass

    Also, there are a lot of evasions to discussing the benefits of gay marriage as i have highlighted a few pages ago. These have not been hightlighted, simply the tedious points in opposition to it which cannot be proven unless gay marriage exists.

    Also, one comment replies such as the above do not achieve anything constructive.


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    #355
    liah
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    itsonlywords wrote: »
    we would have all kids born from lesbians by artificial insemination like in the animal world in hoses and cows (never looked at that analogy before, interesting)and raised by men in daddy/daddy homes. What a sick world it would be. men down in trenches with limp wrists digging muck , what a laff

    1) Homosexuality isn't a contagious disease. Not everyone would become gay. "all kids born from lesbians by A.I."? Give me a break.

    2) What's so bad about the scenario anyway? I'd much rather two loving, caring, supportive people of the same sex raise a child than two warring, dysfunctional, angry people of the opposite sex raise a child. Which scenario do you think the child would be happier in? Not YOU; the child.

    I really, honestly don't get the "two gay people shouldn't raise a child" thing.
    It's about the circumstances and the personalities and relationship dynamic of the parents involved, NOT about their gender or sexual preference.
    If it's because they couldn't naturally have children, what say you to a straight couple in which the female is barren or the male impotent? Are they now not allowed to raise a child simply because they're physically incapable of doing so (arguably a decision by your god to make them so, if you believe in that sort of thing)?
    I doubt you would have a problem with that.
    So what if two wonderful, lovely, motherly lesbians or gay men raised a child, gave it everything it needs in life, and raised it to be a lovely adult? Would that still be worse than, say, an alcoholic, abusive father and a mother who enables it, simply because they can physically procreate and therefore have more of a "right" to a child?

    SEXUALITY MEANS FÚCK ALL.
    It has no influence on ANYONE except for the people involved.

    Personality and morals, on the other hand, do make a difference. Gender doesn't dictate that. A male and a female won't guarantee a happy relationship or happy marriage or happy children. Circumstances, personalities and upbringing will.

    Why even bring genitals into it?


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    #356
    Iwasfrozen
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    jaffa20 wrote: »
    You did say opponency to "homosexuality" and not "gay marriage" which is the subject of the thread.
    True but that was only in relation to itsonlywords.


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    #357
    ChocolateSauce
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    Shellie13 wrote: »
    Amazing- a thread initially started to debate the points of gaymarriage has decesded into some non-sensical homophobic rant. Why are some people opposed to gay marragie?! - Because they're hateful and ignorant and the only way for them to feel secure in their misrible little existence is to bully a minority group.

    Most people opposed to it are not hateful, they genuinely believe their reasons are sound. Their ability to ignore evidence is spectacular, but hateful they are not.


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    #358
    TiwstaSista
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    MultiUmm wrote: »
    I can't get my head around it. I realise some people argue that marriage has always been between a man and a woman and the like, but how would it really affect peoples day to day lives? (Excluding the gay couple o/c.)

    Others, mainly Christians, argue that gay couples will want to marry in churches, when in reality I'd guess most gay couples wouldn't be too pushed about a religious ceremony.

    So can anyone give me a few reasons as to why so many people are still against gay marriage? And for those of you who are against it, can you tell me how it will drastically change/affect your lives?

    N.B: I've decided that adoption inevitably has become a topic of discussion, so feel free to include it in posts.


    God Created man and God give him a woman and not a man to help him. Neither did God create a woman and a woman. If you are a Christian you will understand why they do not agree of such gay
    marriages. If you believe and read bible then you will know why Christians are against such marriages. I do not think it would affect me that much but I would be saddened because as a christian we would like to see
    more people to be saved and such things are against of what we believe.


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    #359
    itsonlywords
    Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Most people opposed to it are not hateful, they genuinely believe their reasons are sound. Their ability to ignore evidence is spectacular, but hateful they are not.
    Totally agree with you there. There is no hate but maybe the emotion I sometimes express and probably wrongly so,is sadness and pity for people with this condition. That unfortunately is how I think as I see homosexual behaviour as wrong, against God, but for an atheist, against laws of nature. Love between two people is not in itself wrong, and of course it cannot be but sexual relations between two persons of the same sex is clearly wrong and unnatural.
    I am particularly upset about all this because I was the victim of abuse by a homosexual. A sexual opportunist who took advantage of a kid to satisfy his abnormal sexual desires.This leaves a mark. I do not ignore evidence and maybe I see evidence that you fail to see. Just a short point, there is a guy who is a long term victim of homosexual abuse by a priest, and appears on TV regularly, and I often wonder if he was not subjected to a sustained level of homosexual assault over many years, would he be normal now? Was he conditioned because of those assaults. My honest belief is that he was conditioned.
    In my own case my brother was conditioned by sisters treating him like their little sister and encouraged participation in girly things and dressed him up etc. This was conditioning also. I bet if you ask all homosexuals you will find a large percentage who are conditioned and therein lies the danger that adoptive parents who are homosexual will condition their care to abnormality. We all know the expression "black cat.... black kitten.


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    EJLL
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    TiwstaSista wrote: »
    God Created man and God give him a woman and not a man to help him. Neither did God create a woman and a woman. If you are a Christian you will understand why they do not agree of such gay
    marriages. If you believe and read bible then you will know why Christians are against such marriages. I do not think it would affect me that much but I would be saddened because as a christian we would like to see
    more people to be saved and such things are against of what we believe.

    Please get help! Get out and socialise with people. You live in a very small world. I'm not being smart for the sake of it, but your insulated existence dumbfounds me. I am a Christian. I would gladly give up the label to avoid being placed in the same bracket as you. How do you live with those thoughts in your head? It scares the sh*t out of me.


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    #361
    Aard
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    itsonlywords wrote: »
    We all know the expression "black cat.... black kitten.
    Yet by your own admission, you are living proof that one can have "homosexual conditioning", and not turn out gay! Logic ... failing ...


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