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Exposing mediums

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Ive seen it before, its great! but also terrible how people can be made fools of



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Iamhunted, I thought you use mediums for your paranormal investigations? Or is that the PIGs.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    PIG's dont "use" mediums at all. We have been on investigations with Mediums. But despite everybody's belief's in the PIGS. We all investigate from a sceptical standpoint.

    But going by this video, all it proves is that they cheated on that day.

    If you cheat in a math's exame, it doesnt mean the person cant do maths .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    Overblood wrote: »
    Iamhunted, I thought you use mediums for your paranormal investigations? Or is that the PIGs.

    no - how did you think we use mediums?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    If you cheat in a math's exame, it doesnt mean the person cant do maths .

    what does it mean?


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  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    what does it mean?
    It probably means that they cant do maths very well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    But going by this video, all it proves is that they cheated on that day.

    If you cheat in a math's exame, it doesnt mean the person cant do maths .

    no, it means they are dishonest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    PIG's dont "use" mediums at all. We have been on investigations with Mediums.

    Haha. Yeah, sure. You don't "use" them, you just bring them on investigations. What do they do? Make the tea?

    Here's a quote from Grimes (a P.I.G. iirc):
    Grimes wrote: »
    Arriving at around 8pm and starting at 8:30 with a quick history talk about the place then doing 1.5 hours with a 20 minutes break to review the images and subjective experiences then another 1.5 hours of medium work.

    That's a lot of time allocated to medium work, considering the PIGs don't use mediums.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Why the need to be defensive about using mediums, guys? Surely its another strand of investigation, not of the site, but of what the mediums claim they can do? Probably not to your scientific taste, Overblood, but interesting, certainly.

    If someone plans an investigation, they can bring the cast of Riverdance for all it matters. Its not as if its a double blind placebo controlled peer reviewed scientific study. Its a looksee. Noone knows what the paranormal is even, so how in the hell do you know what to use to suss it out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Overblood wrote: »
    Haha. Yeah, sure. You don't "use" them, you just bring them on investigations. What do they do? Make the tea?

    Here's a quote from Grimes (a P.I.G. iirc):



    That's a lot of time allocated to medium work, considering the PIGs don't use mediums.


    That investigation had nothing to do with any specific groups. Your misrepresenting a post in another thread to bolster your own point in this one, in a sort of sweet sweet candy turn of events. Why would you take a quote from a post that has nothing to do with the PIGS and states that it has nothing to do with the PIGS and use that post as a reson to say that the PIGS use mediums. Depsite what you may think I do exists as a person outside of the paranormal world and not everything I say can be related back to the PIGS. I really think you have a warped view of paranormal investigation however your posts continue to amaze and entertain me. Keep up the good work

    Plus for all you know I meant medium work in so much as not to light work and nothing particularly heavy. Feel free to use that quote if a thread on the type of physical labour I enjoy doing comes up in the future.

    Mediums have been known to make tea on many occasions. They make paritularly good tea actually, I dont know what is it about them but they get the milk/water ratio just right every time. I tell ya, you havnt lived!

    This thread has been G-Railed!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    iamhunted wrote: »
    no - how did you think we use mediums?

    Because on the EVP section of your website, you mention that your "investigator" called out a series of questions. I'm guessing that was some medium stuff going on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Grimes wrote: »
    That investigation had nothing to do with any specific groups. Your misrepresenting a post in another thread to bolster your own point. Why would you take a quote from a post that has nothing to do with the PIGS and states that it has nothing to do with the PIGS and use that post as a reson to say that the PIGS use mediums.

    So you don't use mediums in PIG investigations? Not even once?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Overblood wrote: »
    So you don't use mediums in PIG investigations? Not even once?

    Im not here to answer your questions about PIGS investigations Im here asking you why you used a quote from a NON-Pigs investigation to support an arguement that PIGS use mediums.

    If they do or if they dont dosnt make much of a difference to you does it now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Overblood wrote: »
    Because on the EVP section of your website, you mention that your "investigator" called out a series of questions. I'm guessing that was some medium stuff going on.

    Why do you have to be a medium to speak to an emtpy room. Oh look I just did it.

    You guess quite alot and you often guess wrong. As I have said before you seem to have a very warped opinion of paranormal investigations and investigators. Do you really think anyone in the paranormal community sees themselves as a scientist?

    Please link me to one investigators website that has published in a reputable scientific journal or claims to be a qualified educated scientist with a MA/PHd?

    Anyway I digress. Why did you misquote me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    Oryx wrote: »
    If someone plans an investigation, they can bring the cast of Riverdance for all it matters.

    Lol. They could even tow along the cast of The Sound Of Music sometime!
    Grimes wrote: »
    Despite what you may think, I do exist as a person outside of the paranormal world and not everything I say can be related back to the PIGS. I really think you have a warped view of paranormal investigation however your posts continue to amaze and entertain me. Keep up the good work

    Plus for all you know I meant medium work in so much as not to light work and nothing particularly heavy. Feel free to use that quote if a thread on the type of physical labour I enjoy doing comes up in the future.

    Mediums have been known to make tea on many occasions. They make particularly good tea actually, I dont know what is it about them but they get the milk/water ratio just right every time. I tell ya, you haven't lived!

    LMAO. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Grimes wrote: »
    That investigation had nothing to do with any specific groups. Your misrepresenting a post in another thread to bolster your own point in this one, in a sort of sweet sweet candy turn of events. Why would you take a quote from a post that has nothing to do with the PIGS and states that it has nothing to do with the PIGS and use that post as a reson to say that the PIGS use mediums. Depsite what you may think I do exists as a person outside of the paranormal world and not everything I say can be related back to the PIGS. I really think you have a warped view of paranormal investigation however your posts continue to amaze and entertain me. Keep up the good work

    Plus for all you know I meant medium work in so much as not to light work and nothing particularly heavy. Feel free to use that quote if a thread on the type of physical labour I enjoy doing comes up in the future.

    Mediums have been known to make tea on many occasions. They make paritularly good tea actually, I dont know what is it about them but they get the milk/water ratio just right every time. I tell ya, you havnt lived!

    This thread has been G-Railed!

    What does paritulary mean? See, your whole argument is an epic fail now since you can't spell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Oryx wrote: »
    Noone knows what the paranormal is even, so how in the hell do you know what to use to suss it out?

    Well you definitely don't use quackery con artists like the plebs we saw in the video there. And they were some of the best mediums in England!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Right, this whole argument started over me asking "I thought you use mediums on psychic investigations?"

    The reason I thought that is because I have seen posts around the forum, from PIGs or some other group members, about the use of mediums on investigations.

    I get a reply from Dre basically saying that they never use mediums, except for when they use mediums.

    I find a quote from Grimes, a PIG member, talking about mediumship. Grimes, are you PIG? Did you use a medium that night in Ross Castle? Yes? Therefore at least one PIG uses mediums. Has the PIG group as a whole ever used a medium?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    Overblood wrote: »
    What does paritulary mean? See, your whole argument is an epic fail now since you can spell.

    His whole argument is a fail (do you mean 'failure'??) because he's able to spell words? Oh okay, that makes a wealth of sense! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    His whole argument is a fail (do you mean 'failure'??) because he's able to spell words? Oh okay, that makes a wealth of sense! :D

    It was a joke, I should have added a SMILEY:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

    By the way, no, it's not "Failure" it's "Fail". You know, an interwebz phail.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭MrMojoRisin


    Overblood wrote: »
    It was a joke, I should have added a SMILEY:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Those little fellas aren't smileys - they're pac men. Delirious with the laughter, by the looks of things.
    Overblood wrote: »
    By the way, no, it's not "Failure" it's "Fail". You know, an interwebz phail.

    Someone hand me a Sat Nav. I'm lost.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Overblood wrote: »
    Well you definitely don't use quackery con artists like the plebs we saw in the video there. And they were some of the best mediums in England!!
    According to who? (Or is it whom? Gotta watch my ps and qs with you, you spellczecher)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Overblood wrote: »
    I get a reply from Dre basically saying that they never use mediums, except for when they use mediums.

    You misquoted me again, couch skeptic :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    You misquoted me again, couch skeptic :rolleyes:

    Hey at least I'm a skeptic, right? Unlike some paranormal "investigators" who think door & floor creaks in EVP recordings are the voices of ghosts.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Overblood wrote: »
    Hey at least I'm a skeptic, right? Unlike some paranormal "investigators" who think door & floor creaks in EVP recordings are the voices of ghosts.
    Up to now you are a poster with opinions on an internet forum. I know nothing of your skeptical credentials? And who are you referring to specifically, cmon, back up that claim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Most Haunted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Overblood wrote: »
    Most Haunted.

    Wow you are so educated. Really we should have you come along on investigations and you can wow us with your knowledge of Most Haunted and how to point out people's typos. Everyone loves people like that.

    You never answered my question, you just avoiding it? Wouldn't really be suprised if you were.

    While we are on the topic of grammar and mental abilities. You Sir used the word "epic" as an adjective which leads me to believe you probably have just entered puberty. Have fun!


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Overblood wrote: »
    Most Haunted.
    Thats either a swerve of the real answer, or, as youd say yourself, an epic fail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Its also "on" audio recordings not "in" EVP recordings.

    Educate yourself


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    Grimes wrote: »
    You Sir used the word "epic" as an adjective which leads me to believe you probably have just entered puberty.

    Says yer man who believes in ghosts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Overblood wrote: »
    Says yer man who believes in ghosts!

    Wow I suppose your next arguement will go along the lines of

    "you are gay"


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Right, while Ive enjoyed this as much as the next person, its getting really silly now. We need to get back to the original video topic before any real insults commence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭mister gullible


    Overblood wrote: »
    Says yer man who believes in ghosts!

    Hee hee, spot on Overblood ;)


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Hee hee, spot on Overblood ;)
    If you cannot add to the discussion, do not add at all. A reminder to get back on topic is placed above. Please heed it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Mediums are not a scientific or directly verifiable method of investigating anything. There really isnt anything more to it than that.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Grimes wrote: »
    Mediums are not a scientific or directly verifiable method of investigating anything. There really isnt anything more to it than that.
    Agreed. No point investigating with a method that itself is unverified. It can be an interesting aside, but no more. Mediums are a separate area requiring investigation, to use them to provide evidence or proof of something is bogus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭mister gullible


    Oryx wrote: »
    If you cannot add to the discussion, do not add at all. A reminder to get back on topic is placed above. Please heed it.

    An expression of agreement and support for Overblood. Similar to the little 'thanks' icon I would have thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    An expression of agreement and support for Overblood. Similar to the little 'thanks' icon I would have thought.

    God gave you thanks buttons, use them. Mediums provide direction to an investigation, when they are used. Even if that direction is false it gives a base line for somewhere to start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    Overblood wrote: »
    Because on the EVP section of your website, you mention that your "investigator" called out a series of questions. I'm guessing that was some medium stuff going on.

    Im afraid you guessed wrong. You really should read up on what paranormal investigating entails.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    iamhunted wrote: »
    Im afraid you guessed wrong. You really should read up on what paranormal investigating entails.

    But to call out to ghosts, first you have to assume that ghosts exist. I'm not going to go out to my garden and call out for unicorns or goblins, because I know they don't exist.

    Why are you calling out to ghosts and spirits if they don't exist?

    Paranormal investigators might as well be chasing after santa imo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    The Video is a great exercise, I'd love to see that gobsh1te Derek Acora bagged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 neutra


    I so enjoyed watching that video of the three self-professed mediums! Right amusing, I thought! Oh, yes, first: in my understanding, a 'medium' is simple a means of contacting, or of facilitating contact, between one party and another who are seeking to communicate in some way. A telephone is an inanimate 'medium'. Yes? Corrections welcome, but back them up ;) I’m not always right and I know it.

    The question of life beyond the earthly body here and the survival of the spirit is too complex to do more than simply comment on, in general; by all means, tell people what you believe, if you want to: but with authority? Get real!

    So, okay, it was funny. Several explanations seemed apparent yet were ignored. The program undermined itself and the alleged ‘mediums’ played into the alleged ‘investigator’s hands. I think I have been taught that there is no way to definitively prove any theory (scientific terms, only, for now) at all. All that is required is to not be able to DISprove a theory. It sounds like sense. Am I right on this? I am fairly sure I am.

    When it comes to something as subjective as faith, I ask one thing. I don’t expect a decent answer, either, although I’d like one. Why such a need to influence the belief-systems of others? One thing that most people will be sure of is their beliefs, their faiths. No-one is going to shift perspective so easily on subjective and often seemingly irrational traditions, values, whatever.

    I don’t know the answer; no idea, no claim to, either. But it did seem like the program itself was a load of old bull, albeit a load of entertaining old bull. LOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Overblood wrote: »
    But to call out to ghosts, first you have to assume that ghosts exist. I'm not going to go out to my garden and call out for unicorns or goblins, because I know they don't exist.

    Why are you calling out to ghosts and spirits if they don't exist?

    How do you know they dont exist. If you can prove that there is no such thing as post human existance please feel free to throw it up in your next post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭iamhunted


    Overblood wrote: »
    But to call out to ghosts, first you have to assume that ghosts exist. I'm not going to go out to my garden and call out for unicorns or goblins, because I know they don't exist.

    Why are you calling out to ghosts and spirits if they don't exist?

    Paranormal investigators might as well be chasing after santa imo.

    Isnt it a good thing then you dont do any kind of 'paranormal research' considering you already seem to have the answers. That is what you are saying isnt it? Hang on - dont answer that as its the same old same old one gets around here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    I think we broke Overblood. My week long quest is over.

    Conclusions: Mediums = Fun but not scientific.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭koHd


    The video is funny.

    Even after being caught out they try to worm their way out of it with silly explanations heh.


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