911 revisited

01-09-2009 01:14AM

Black Uhlan wrote: »

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/13/us...0men%20&st=cse

" the officials said the men had apparently

1. set up cameras near the Hudson River and fixed them on the World Trade Center. "

[(B]Must have been moving them somewhere)

(After the camera was setup i.e. before an attack...)

2. "They photographed the attacks[/B] and"

3. were said to have congratulated each other afterward, officials said.

It is just 1 one account but nevertheless I hope this makes it clearer.

The witness said that their cheering is what called her attention to them.

Any half way decent spy knows the best why to not attach attention is to not shout and cheer at all.
Not during the operation or just after it. Maybe when you get home and no one can see you.
I know this without any Mossad training.

Bonkey's point still stands.

Black Uhlan · 01-09-2009 01:28AM

wrightao wrote: »

Just replying in general to these threads. Isnt there a word for blaming the Israelis (i.e The Joooos) for everything that goes wrong and 9/11 in particular. Does anyone remember the disgusting tale circulated after 9/11 that Israelis and Jews that worked in the WTC were told not to turn up on 9/11 to the WTC? I think its called.....mmm...oh yes, A Blood Libel. Its a stunning development when upon the falling down of the WTC the Muslim street in Palestine jumps up and down chanting hyterically, when the Muslin Street in Jordan, Syria does likewise and Egyptian newspapers circulate a banner headline reading "Victory". But somehow, the JOOOOs are behind 9/11. This is what it is, simple anti-semitism. Unchanged. The facts remain thus: a number of religious fanatics got lucky, very lucky. And if you dont think they are capable of much, its reverse discrimination. They have proved time and time again how troublesome they can be and despite their assertions to the contrary, people are not taking them seriously and instead blame the JOOOOS.

What on earth is a "Muslim Street"? So does that make the people involved in the O'Connell St riots representative of you then?

Black Uhlan · 01-09-2009 01:32AM

There was more than one witness you know, and more than one complaint to police. May I ask you do this, do you accept that the "Israeli Art students" were Mossad agents?

Black Uhlan · 01-09-2009 01:36AM

Here is some background. It made for interesting reading for me at least.
http://www.lovearth.net/israelispiesexposed.htm . And here is the actual secret DEA leaked 60 page document referenced. http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm

01-09-2009 01:51AM

Black Uhlan wrote: »

There was more than one witness you know, and more than one complaint to police.

So they were that noticeable then?
Must have been pretty noticeable.

Black Uhlan wrote: »

May I ask you do this, do you accept that the "Israeli Art students" were Mossad agents?

I honestly don't know.

I not really arguing that at all.
I'm arguing that they didn't have any foreknowledge/

4gun · 01-09-2009 03:31AM

when george w was elected first, I told my friends that he was going to start a war they already hasd plans to invade afganistan because the tailban wouldn't let the americans build a pipeline across their country the taliban were supported by the US just like saddam when it suited US intrests

meglome · 01-09-2009 03:38AM

4gun wrote: »

when george w was elected first, I told my friends that he was going to start a war they already hasd plans to invade afganistan because the tailban wouldn't let the americans build a pipeline across their country the taliban were supported by the US just like saddam when it suited US intrests

Do you read books?

4gun · 01-09-2009 03:39AM

meglome wrote: »

Do you read books?

question is too vague to answer

squod · 01-09-2009 12:49PM

Black Uhlan wrote: »

Here is some background. It made for interesting reading for me at least.
http://www.lovearth.net/israelispiesexposed.htm . And here is the actual secret DEA leaked 60 page document referenced. http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A dozen Israelis, including the alleged surveillance leader, had been based in Hollywood, Fla., between January and June last year -- quite possibly watching Arabs living nearby who are suspected of providing logistical support to Osama bin Laden's network. Especially in Florida, where 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists lived, the revelations about the Israeli activities bolster speculation, reported by a Fox news reporter, that the students-cum-spies might have gained advance knowledge of aspects of the Sept. 11 terrorists --and not passed on that critical intelligence to the United States. Planet sources with Israeli connections suggest that the information might have been relayed to U.S. agencies, but might have been ignored or overlooked.

Quotes from one of the articles, for the people who haven't read them.
Thanks for those.
[/FONT]

Penn · 01-09-2009 12:59PM

squod wrote: »

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A dozen Israelis, including the alleged surveillance leader, had been based in Hollywood, Fla., between January and June last year -- quite possibly watching Arabs living nearby who are suspected of providing logistical support to Osama bin Laden's network. Especially in Florida, where 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists lived, the revelations about the Israeli activities bolster speculation, reported by a Fox news reporter, that the students-cum-spies might have gained advance knowledge of aspects of the Sept. 11 terrorists --and not passed on that critical intelligence to the United States. Planet sources with Israeli connections suggest that the information might have been relayed to U.S. agencies, but might have been ignored or overlooked.

Quotes from one of the articles, for the people who haven't read them.
Thanks for those.
[/font]

So what are we supposed to take from this?

01-09-2009 01:04PM

squod wrote: »

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A dozen Israelis, including the alleged surveillance leader, had been based in Hollywood, Fla., between January and June last year -- quite possibly watching Arabs living nearby who are suspected of providing logistical support to Osama bin Laden's network. Especially in Florida, where 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists lived, the revelations about the Israeli activities bolster speculation, reported by a Fox news reporter, that the students-cum-spies might have gained advance knowledge of aspects of the Sept. 11 terrorists --and not passed on that critical intelligence to the United States. Planet sources with Israeli connections suggest that the information might have been relayed to U.S. agencies, but might have been ignored or overlooked.

Quotes from one of the articles, for the people who haven't read them.
Thanks for those.
[/FONT]

That's a lot of mights don't you think?

But if you can't trust Fox news who can you trust?

squod · 01-09-2009 01:52PM

A dozen Israelis, including the alleged surveillance leader, had been based in Hollywood, Fla., between January and June last year -- quite possibly watching Arabs living nearby who are suspected of providing logistical support to Osama bin Laden's network. Especially in Florida, where 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists lived, the revelations about the Israeli activities bolster speculation, reported by a Fox news reporter, that the students-cum-spies might have gained advance knowledge of aspects of the Sept. 11 terrorists --and not passed on that critical intelligence to the United States. Planet sources with Israeli connections suggest that the information might have been relayed to U.S. agencies, but might have been ignored or overlooked.

Quotes from one of the articles, for the people who haven't read them.

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

So what are we supposed to take from this?

Great question, actually this article sets the tone for the previous articles posted.

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2003/nov/09/the-real-911-cover-up/?q=september%2011%20mossad

and

http://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

About five Isreali men (two of whom worked for mossad) kneeling on a van, videoing a plane crash and celebrating afterwards. That plane crash was later revealed to be a terrorist attack.
Their subsequent arrest, near deportation, and re-arrest this time by CIA officials who spent two months interrogating them. The dudes underwent lie detectors which some of them failed.

On returning home to Isreal they appeared on TV there, where they said,
''Our purpose was to document the event."

The key point one of the journalists is making is: 'But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?'

So then we read the above paragraph again.

So far the debate is a little one sided, with the opposition claiming these Isreali dudes were dicks, mailmen, aliens and cartoon characters.

Penn · 01-09-2009 02:16PM

squod wrote: »

A dozen Israelis, including the alleged surveillance leader, had been based in Hollywood, Fla., between January and June last year -- quite possibly watching Arabs living nearby who are suspected of providing logistical support to Osama bin Laden's network. Especially in Florida, where 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists lived, the revelations about the Israeli activities bolster speculation, reported by a Fox news reporter, that the students-cum-spies might have gained advance knowledge of aspects of the Sept. 11 terrorists --and not passed on that critical intelligence to the United States. Planet sources with Israeli connections suggest that the information might have been relayed to U.S. agencies, but might have been ignored or overlooked.

Quotes from one of the articles, for the people who haven't read them.

Great question, actually this article sets the tone for the previous articles posted.

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2003/nov/09/the-real-911-cover-up/?q=september%2011%20mossad

and

http://web.archive.org/web/20020802194310/http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

About five Isreali men (two of whom worked for mossad) kneeling on a van, videoing a plane crash and celebrating afterwards. That plane crash was later revealed to be a terrorist attack.
Their subsequent arrest, near deportation, and re-arrest this time by CIA officials who spent two months interrogating them. The dudes underwent lie detectors which some of them failed.

On returning home to Isreal they appeared on TV there, where they said,
''Our purpose was to document the event."

The key point one of the journalists is making is: 'But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?'

So then we read the above paragraph again.

So far the debate is a little one sided, with the opposition claiming these Isreali dudes were dicks, mailmen, aliens and cartoon characters.

But are you implying that they knew it was going to happen, and didn't tell the government. Or that they knew it was going to happen, told the government and the government ignored them?

Also, you keep claiming that people here have said that they are mailmen, aliens and cartoon characters etc. People are just questioning if they were Mossad agents that it would be very foolish of them to celebrate in the way that they did

squod · 01-09-2009 02:23PM

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

But are you implying that they knew it was going to happen, and didn't tell the government. Or that they knew it was going to happen, told the government and the government ignored them?

Also, you keep claiming that people here have said that they are mailmen, aliens and cartoon characters etc. People are just questioning if they were Mossad agents that it would be very foolish of them to celebrate in the way that they did

I'm making light of the situation. Foreknowledge is A key to the original posters claims.

"I think its funny that people still doubt 9/11 was an inside job."

wrightao · 01-09-2009 02:31PM

Black Uhlan wrote: »

What on earth is a "Muslim Street"? So does that make the people involved in the O'Connell St riots representative of you then?

Non-Sequitir methinks.

Have you never heard of the expression Muslim/Arab Street? A very frequently used term. One used many times in the past, in particular to reference those dancing up and down anytime something goes againt Jewish or American interests. And actually used by pan-Arabists from Sadat and Nasser to people such as Arafat. So no denigration intended. Perhaps you are simply looking to take offence. As for those that rioted in O'Connell Street, id say they were just thugs and knackers and dont reflect me or the mainstream.

wrightao · 01-09-2009 02:36PM

4gun wrote: »

when george w was elected first, I told my friends that he was going to start a war they already hasd plans to invade afganistan because the tailban wouldn't let the americans build a pipeline across their country the taliban were supported by the US just like saddam when it suited US intrests

Your Tinfoil hat must stop any information not propogated by Michael Moore being processed by your frontal lobe.

wrightao · 01-09-2009 02:38PM

meglome wrote: »

Do you read books?

Meglome

I have a feeling I know what type of books our all prescient poster reads

4gun · 01-09-2009 04:42PM

why is so hard for you to believe that there are organisations in the world whos' primary goal is world domination, history is full of rulers that were hell bent on ruling the world, gengis kahn and alexander the great to mention but a few
the days of global domination by armed conflict are over they are just too costly in financial terms and the out come nowadays of a global war would be catastropic because soonere or later nuclear wepons would be beought to bear.
So if you want to take over the world you first take controll of its finances ,check
secondly you reduce the world population to a manageable size its easier to controll a couple of hundred million than 6-7 billion
now how would one go about that task?
a virus.... how about AIDS ....why are there so many cases in Africa, do they have sex more than we do ? No
do they have sex with monkeys? they are supposed to be the species that Aids came from , No
believe it of not it was given to people in the form of immunisation, Same thing has happened in parts of rural China this time done by their own government with the help of ...guess... WHO and don't start ranting about how we have access to condoms studies on them have proved inconclusive in stopping Aids
any way back to the point..
Aids is in effective in that it doesn't kill fast enough and other viruses like ebola and hanta kill too fast to cause any great threat to world population numbers
But a flu pandemic like we had before after WWI, now you on to something but people are healthier now than they ever were in history ..how can it be done.... a little jab at a time ....
so go ahead,its your furneral
remember there is nerver smoke with out fire

I'll take my chances and trust tha my own body is strong enough to wars off swine flu ( I've never actually had the flu in any shape or form)

wrightao · 01-09-2009 04:58PM

4gun wrote: »

why is so hard for you to believe that there are organisations in the world whos' primary goal is world domination, history is full of rulers that were hell bent on ruling the world, gengis kahn and alexander the great to mention but a few
the days of global domination by armed conflict are over they are just too costly in financial terms and the out come nowadays of a global war would be catastropic because soonere or later nuclear wepons would be beought to bear.
So if you want to take over the world you first take controll of its finances ,check
secondly you reduce the world population to a manageable size its easier to controll a couple of hundred million than 6-7 billion
now how would one go about that task?
a virus.... how about AIDS ....why are there so many cases in Africa, do they have sex more than we do ? No
do they have sex with monkeys? they are supposed to be the species that Aids came from , No
believe it of not it was given to people in the form of immunisation, Same thing has happened in parts of rural China this time done by their own government with the help of ...guess... WHO and don't start ranting about how we have access to condoms studies on them have proved inconclusive in stopping Aids
any way back to the point..
Aids is in effective in that it doesn't kill fast enough and other viruses like ebola and hanta kill too fast to cause any great threat to world population numbers
But a flu pandemic like we had before after WWI, now you on to something but people are healthier now than they ever were in history ..how can it be done.... a little jab at a time ....
so go ahead,its your furneral
remember there is nerver smoke with out fire

I'll take my chances and trust tha my own body is strong enough to wars off swine flu ( I've never actually had the flu in any shape or form)

Do you watch David Icke. Come on now, you do. Dont you. You watch David Icke as others do the news. You read his books as others do the newspaper. I really dont know what is wrong with people like you who see conspiracies every which way they look. You give the dark forces of nature (i.e. Bush et al) too much credit. Contrary to well enschrined opinion, the intelligence agencies of major powers are far from falable. And I doubt would be able to conceive of such a plot as envisaged by you. Do you really think, if these guys were able to pull off 9/11 TV networks would have been in a position to spew forth the c**p they do about the Truth of 9/11. Consider your bedfellows. The David Ickes and the like. There was a philiospher who once said that the more people are invested in conspiracy theories the more likely they are to be social misfits/failures, as they seek to blame all else for their loser status. An overwhelming plot must be against them. Just saying.

4gun · 01-09-2009 05:17PM

wrightao wrote: »

Do you watch David Icke. Come on now, you do. Dont you. You watch David Icke as others do the news. You read his books as others do the newspaper. I really dont know what is wrong with people like you who see conspiracies every which way they look. You give the dark forces of nature (i.e. Bush et al) too much credit. Contrary to well enschrined opinion, the intelligence agencies of major powers are far from falable. And I doubt would be able to conceive of such a plot as envisaged by you. Do you really think, if these guys were able to pull off 9/11 TV networks would have been in a position to spew forth the c**p they do about the Truth of 9/11. Consider your bedfellows. The David Ickes and the like. There was a philiospher who once said that the more people are invested in conspiracy theories the more likely they are to be social misfits/failures, as they seek to blame all else for their loser status. An overwhelming plot must be against them. Just saying.

trying to label me are you you havent got anthing intelligent to say so you attack me personally, I've never read david icke , I dont believe in aliens trying to take over the world
but you , you fall in line like a proper little sheep and when any one speaks out brand them an social misfits and failures,
you just lack the capacity to understand

To be honest I would love to be in your position
I would really love to think that this is all bull
i really do... alot of these conspiracy theories are...
but there is enough truth in this one to scare me

wrightao · 01-09-2009 05:23PM

4gun wrote: »

trying to label me are you you havent got anthing intelligent to say so you attack me personally, I've never read david icke , I dont believe in aliens trying to take over the world
but you , you fall in line like a proper little sheep and when any one speaks out brand them an social misfits and failures,
you just lack the capacity to understand
To be honest I would love to be in your position
I would really love to think that this is all bull
i really do... alot of these conspiracy theories are...
but there is enough truth in this one to scare me

You need to climb back into your Bizaro Bubble. AIDS developed by...Ebola developed.....One world government......blah blah. Truly, youre on another level entirely. I knew a genuine headcase once, seriously, I used help out at a burnt out cases type unit as a student when I was in the states. I must say there was a guy there who was great fun, but genuinely mad. He believed in your Aids/Ebola theories. He got better though and stopped believing in that sort of stuff last I heard. Maybe you will to. I amnt trying to label and dismiss you because ive nothing to say: Im doing so because your deranged.

4gun · 01-09-2009 05:46PM

are you qualified to diagnose my state of health or are you trying to insult me your certinly getting annoyed about something
again you cant' make a valid statment with out personal attacks, now I'm deranged

you dont like what I say, try another forum ....this is one for conspiracy theories after all..... why don't you open your mind to the possibilities that not all is not as it seems your like the little monkey that cant hear no evil or see no evil and therefore we should speak no evil:(

squod · 01-09-2009 06:00PM

4gun wrote: »

why is so hard for you to believe that there are organisations in the world whos' primary goal is world domination, history is full of rulers that were hell bent on ruling the world, gengis kahn and alexander the great to mention but a few
the days of global domination by armed conflict are over they are just too costly in financial terms and the out come nowadays of a global war would be catastropic because soonere or later nuclear wepons would be beought to bear.
So if you want to take over the world you first take controll of its finances ,check
secondly you reduce the world population to a manageable size its easier to controll a couple of hundred million than 6-7 billion
now how would one go about that task?
a virus.... how about AIDS ....why are there so many cases in Africa, do they have sex more than we do ? No
do they have sex with monkeys? they are supposed to be the species that Aids came from , No
believe it of not it was given to people in the form of immunisation, Same thing has happened in parts of rural China this time done by their own government with the help of ...guess... WHO and don't start ranting about how we have access to condoms studies on them have proved inconclusive in stopping Aids
any way back to the point..
Aids is in effective in that it doesn't kill fast enough and other viruses like ebola and hanta kill too fast to cause any great threat to world population numbers
But a flu pandemic like we had before after WWI, now you on to something but people are healthier now than they ever were in history ..how can it be done.... a little jab at a time ....
so go ahead,its your furneral
remember there is nerver smoke with out fire

I'll take my chances and trust tha my own body is strong enough to wars off swine flu ( I've never actually had the flu in any shape or form)

Who here'd believe this guy if he proved to us he worked for KGB,CSR,MI6,CIA,FBI or Mossad.

Would ya still tell us he's a fuggin' nut-job. D'you reckon there's no nut-jobs working for those agencies?

jingx3 · 01-09-2009 06:10PM

I don't rule out any conspiracy but each time someone tells me some other group must be involved the conspiracy gets less and less likely by default. Take the Pentagon, there was something in the popular imagination until some means of examination is found which either refutes or lends credence to the planes hitting them. Sometimes theories are revised to conform to new observations, by restricting the class of phenomena the theory around it.

Did this thread change peoples opinion or polarise? We'll need the Mods help here as we're all likely to get out of hand eventually otherwise, and I mean in the forum but I hear mega thread being mentioned.

squod · 01-09-2009 06:28PM

jingx3 wrote: »

I don't rule out any conspiracy........ Sometimes theories are revised to conform to new observations, by restricting the class of phenomena the theory around it.

I applologise for editing your response. I feel you're correct. I wish there was more like you.

I've seen lots of missinformation published, it seems we'll soon have as many theories as grains of sand on a beach. Then the truth will never be found, buried forever.

bonkey · 01-09-2009 07:09PM

Rather than hand out a fistful of infractions, I'm going to settle for this...

All of you shouls re-read the charter before posting on this thread again.

Anyone stepping out of line, insulting other posters, or otherwise ignoring the charter will be banned.

Black Uhlan · 01-09-2009 10:48PM

wrightao wrote: »

. Its a stunning development when upon the falling down of the WTC the Muslim street in Palestine jumps up and down chanting hyterically,

Thats gas, that is actually what we were discussing here with the high-fiving Israeli's is there a patronising label for them too? Not for a second that I'd suggest these jokers are as representative of "Joos" or Israel any more than the IRA are of me, or the KKK are of the US or any other rabble are a reflection of their state or religion. Where the L.A. rioters a Black Street? Or when people all over the world marched against Anglo/American oppression were they the world street? I googled your term, which I thank you for informing me on. Seems to me Arab/Muslim street is most mentioned by Ultra Conservative type bloggers and the like and most often "Muslim Street" is mostly followed by Jihadi, fanatic, extremist etc.

Other than that I should inform you that I most probably shall not be responding to you again as I am not exactly impressed with the tone of your posts. (Why do I feel like I am writing a letter?)

4gun · 01-09-2009 11:24PM

these are all just theories they may contain some facts and some speculation,like I said this is a form fo conspiracy THEORIES.... NOT CONSPIRACIES

4gun · 01-09-2009 11:35PM

by the way here one for ye
-http://www.cracked.com/article_15974_7-insane-conspiracies-that-actually-happened.html[/URL]

http://www.cracked.com/article_15974_7-insane-conspiracies-that-actually-happened.html

bonkey · 02-09-2009 08:27AM

Can we get back on topic please?

911 revisited

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