Would you emigrate???

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-08-2009 04:13PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

I wish all the negatives would leave - now. Go to the airport, just go. If you think Ireland is that bad, you have no reason to be here. Go away. We don't want you, nothing is stopping you. Money reasons? Bull****. Ryanair does cheap flights all over Europe.

Ireland is one of the best in the world. Ireland didn't invent crime, if you bother to look at any crime figures, Ireland is quite low in the world.

Corruption? Every country has them. Luckily we don't go to war for monetary reason. Again, you'll find we're not a major player for a corrupt leader.

Third world standards? Have you walked down the ****ing street lately? Are you posting on a PC with a modem or carving it with a rock? Believe it or not although our health system is not perfect, it is one of the best on the planet. If you get knocked down, you will get an ambulance, treatment.

Lose your job? Don't worry you'll receive financial assistance? Have kids? You'll get some money for that too. The weather? Not the countries fault. Would you like monsoons? Hurricanes? Live in a desert? Antartica?

Go on, leave, I won't miss you.

If you compare Ireland to a third world country, yes.
If you compare Ireland to a modern European country, no. (Well, apart from Italy)
Consider the health system comment signapped. Then ask Biggles how he feels about it.

Whiskey Devil · 29-08-2009 04:16PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Maybe they liked it at the time?

Why do people continue to post stupid questions?

Ah the 12 year olds logic. Very good.

markok84 · 29-08-2009 04:19PM

I'm getting a 12 month work visa for the US, probably leave next July. I'll see what happens after that. The only reason I'm leaving is that I know I wont get a job in Ireland once i'm finished college. Hopefully things will have picked up in a few years, but I don't see any point staying scrounging social welfare or working in a job outside of what I've trained in (seeing as I've spent 7 years in college).

Hagar · 29-08-2009 04:21PM

Not only would I, I did.

jonnybadd · 29-08-2009 04:29PM

Have done and don't regret it, been gone for just over a year now, and its been nice. I didn't leave Ireland because of any real reason, just fancied a change. I had a decent job with security, and so on and so forth.

However I'm in the position now where I'm thinking of moving home, but its odd, it feels like I've been here for longer then I have and I'm heading somewhere brand new.

I think the main reason is the job, and also having to move back with the family after living on my tod now for a year.

I would recommend it to anyone but like has been mentioned, the grass is always greener, its been both cracking and really bad over here in the year. Same as home really!

asdasd · 29-08-2009 04:32PM

i have left Ireland, this time for good, probably. It was really just to find a good job, but i ended up in a nice part of England - definitely not London btw.

I have aso lived in the US. A note, however, to all people who hate Ireland because of the corruption, the weather, the politicans, the trains, the health service.

1) The NHS is not all that. America has a good service only for those who are covered.
2) The trains in England are worse now, I think, than Ireland.
3) The only part of the world I have lived in which has continuous brownouts was California, where the public transport is atrocious as well. And property had more of a bubble. And the poitical system stinks.
4) If you were following the recent expenses scandal in the UK it was as bad as Ireland, or worse.
5) Weather in Californa was better if you like sun all the time. it may be that you will get out more, but who knows? There is little in the Irish weather to stop people walking, running, or cycling most days. Britain is the same.

I am talking about where I have been. I dont get Australia at all. Really too far away from interesting parts of the world - i.e. Europe. Even the West Coast of America is relatively isolated from anywhere but the west coast of America.

That said, I like England. But that is probably related to the part of England I live in, not a magnet for immigrants. You will end up in a bedsit in Birmingham, pining for home.

those of you who want to leave to see the world should go, those who want to go because Ireland is the worst place ever are going to have to either ignore the flaws in your new home, or wake up to the grim reality that no place is perfect, and many things are done worse elsewhere. If you are the kind to hate the place you live in, you may hate any place you live in. i could live in Ireland again, although Dublin is worse than the nice college city I live in in England, it is probably better than London. I got lucky. You may not.

Purple Gorilla · 29-08-2009 04:54PM

I'm sort with URL on this one...Irish people have to be the greatest in the world for hating their own country. People say "Oh I'm out of here as soon as I _______" or "I would but I can't because ____" are just talking out of their ass. They know they'll never emigrate but they want to jump on the "I hate Ireland" bandwagon.

mega man wrote: »

I guess no one told you about the recession

Obviously nobody told you that even after a economy contracts 8% this year, our GDP per capita, will still be significantly higher than the UK or Germany (according to Peter Sutherland, head of BP and Goldman Sachs)

Also, to the person who basically said "F*ck statistics, I can look out my own window and see what's going on", how do you know that that is accurate to how everyone in the country is? Sure, a statistic may not either, but at least it is made up of people from all classes, income levels etc. to give a picture of how the country as a whole is doing.

Ireland is far from perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as all these begrudgers make it out to be.
The way I see it, Ireland has been a first world country for what..15 years now? Maybe a bit less? In a globalised world, the Irish people have come to expect our country to rank up there with the rest of the western countries immediately because we're exposed to them daily, while our infrastructure and lawmakers and stuff like that are trying to play catch-up.

All you adults complain about teenagers, "Celtic Cubs" are spoilt and how we'll be in for a harsh reality or whatever, when infact you don't see how the boom has changed yourselves. Do you not see how far this country has come in under 20 years? From an extremely poor country to one of the richest per capita in the world? Exceeding those who have been first world countries for decades?
Even now, with our unemployment rate nearly double what it was a few years ago, there are now 80% more people in employment in Ireland than there was 20 years ago. Where else has stuff like that happened?

FFS be happy

blow69 · 29-08-2009 05:03PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

I wish all the negatives would leave - now. Go to the airport, just go. If you think Ireland is that bad, you have no reason to be here. Go away. We don't want you, nothing is stopping you. Money reasons? Bull****. Ryanair does cheap flights all over Europe.

Ireland is one of the best in the world. Ireland didn't invent crime, if you bother to look at any crime figures, Ireland is quite low in the world.

Corruption? Every country has them. Luckily we don't go to war for monetary reason. Again, you'll find we're not a major player for a corrupt leader.

Third world standards? Have you walked down the ****ing street lately? Are you posting on a PC with a modem or carving it with a rock? Believe it or not although our health system is not perfect, it is one of the best on the planet. If you get knocked down, you will get an ambulance, treatment.

Lose your job? Don't worry you'll receive financial assistance? Have kids? You'll get some money for that too. The weather? Not the countries fault. Would you like monsoons? Hurricanes? Live in a desert? Antartica?

We're not being negative. Maybe some are, but not all.

It's a big world out there. And to not explore it would be stupid! I really believe that. Some people want to travel/emigrate more than other people. So by criticising people for doing what they want sounds a bit negative, no?

Go on, leave, I won't miss you.

And I will certainly not miss you.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 29-08-2009 05:03PM

No, I love Ireland.

I love living here.

I love the people, and think we've the prettiest women in the world.

I love being surrounded by ocean - because some day it'll mean the bloody Brits will fuck off home and leave us alone someday, free to control our own destiny.

When I travel abroad with my job I love what being Irish mean's.

I even love the weather most of the time.

I love that we're in a recession now, it mean's a whole generation of greedy, money hungry fuckwits will be brought to earth with a bang - very fvcking humbling for 'em too!.

And I love that we're boards.IE and not .COM - or heavens forbid .co.uk

And I love Guinness!... :P

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blow69 · 29-08-2009 05:05PM

Eli Refined Juggler wrote: »

I love that we're in a recession now

Seriously?!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 29-08-2009 05:09PM

blow69 wrote: »

Seriously?!

Yes, seriously.

Sometimes a good kick up into the bollox is good for some people.

I truely believe the boom bread a generation of uncaring, money hungry, mean & arrogant shoit bag's.

And I really do believe this period will be very humbling for them.

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tarbuck · 29-08-2009 05:20PM

I don't mind Ireland (Dublin specificially). I'd emigrate if I thought there was an opportunity out there somewhere to make a tonne of money but until that opportunity presents itself to me I will stay put.

I wouldn't leave here just because I predicted somewhere else out there was better because quite frankly I don't believe it. I have been to some places around the world and quite frankly I found them all worse than here.

On the other hand I've a friend who emigrated to Oz 6 years ago can no longer speak of this country without using the phrase 'fúcking shíthole'. But the fact of the matter is he was a loser in Ireland and acted like a total wanker to most people who knew him he was generally thought of as a joke, mainly due to his own behaviour. This reputation started to follow him like a bad smell.

When he got over to Oz he had the chance to re-invent himself (much as a kid in secondary might do when they hit college) and I think purpously camled down. He lives in Sydney now and does exactly the same ****ty job he did in Dublin and lives in the same ****ty style apartment he did in Dublin. Basically he hasn't moved on a jot from what I can see. However he seems happier where he is but I reckon that's nothing to do with Oz being a better than Ireland. A person from Oz could have come over here and done exactly the same thing. Basically this guy was just running away from his problems.

Similiarily I get the feeling that a lot (not all!) of people who are unhappy with life in Ireland are actually unhappy with some other aspect of their lives (maybe they haven't fulfilled what they wanted in their personal life, or in their career etc) and that is the real reason they wish they could run away and make everything right somewhere else.

asdasd · 29-08-2009 05:28PM

Good points, Tarbuck. the people who get more energetic when they move to OZ are the obvious examples. The weather is no excuse for not getting active here, but going a few thousand miles makes people feel they should. And so they do. For them emigration is good.

JONJO THE MISER · 29-08-2009 05:39PM

Yes Sir im off to the land down under in a few weeks, and no Before ye ask im not one of those Backpacker sheep that will Just go to Sydney and live and Drink in a Irish pub with other Irish people while wearing my county colours and never meeting local Aussie or never asimilating into the local community. I intend to go to regional Aus and a nice small town and get to know the local people, if i see a Irish pub i certainly will avoid it and hopefully i wont meet too many other Irish people for i wanted that id stay here in Ireland.

Drakmord · 29-08-2009 05:47PM

I'll be gone as soon as I'm finished my medical degree. 4 years to go

Can't wait!

Whiskey Devil · 29-08-2009 05:56PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yes Sir im off to the land down under in a few weeks, and no Before ye ask im not one of those Backpacker sheep that will Just go to Sydney and live and Drink in a Irish pub with other Irish people while wearing my county colours and never meeting local Aussie or never asimilating into the local community. I intend to go to regional Aus and a nice small town and get to know the local people, if i see a Irish pub i certainly will avoid it and hopefully i wont meet too many other Irish people for i wanted that id stay here in Ireland.

Too expensive?

My name is URL · 29-08-2009 06:04PM

Drakmord wrote: »

I'll be gone as soon as I'm finished my medical degree. 4 years to go
Can't wait!

Where are you going? Alot of Irish Doctors seem to piss of to pastures new after graduating, really says alot for the mentality of people here.. and then the same people complain about the country being backwards :rolleyes:

I guess it makes room for better doctors to come and work here though, for more reasonable rates of pay

sorry for the rant =p

rainbow kirby · 29-08-2009 06:05PM

Strongly considering it, though I'm not sure where I'd go.

asdasd · 29-08-2009 06:10PM

Alot of Irish Doctors seem to piss of to pastures new after graduating

Really, free education for vocationals shoud come with a stipulation that you work here, if work is available, for a certain period.

My name is URL · 29-08-2009 06:22PM

asdasd wrote: »

Really, free education for vocationals shoud come with a stipulation that you work here, if work is available, for a certain period.

Exactly. As it is now, Ireland is losing its most skilled workers and those who are willing to work here have a smaller chance of getting places in college.

The people that are prepared to stay in Ireland for a time after graduation should have first refusal on certain courses

JONJO THE MISER · 29-08-2009 06:28PM

Whiskey Devil wrote: »

Too expensive?

Yeah that too:D but i certainly wouldnt go to a Irish pub in any of the big Cities, would be way too many Irish Backpackers.

flynnser19 · 29-08-2009 06:31PM

id emigrate tomoro if i didnt have any debt to pay off first!!!!new zealand here i come in two years time!!!anyone is free to join me:D

Whiskey Devil · 29-08-2009 06:34PM

They're crying out for Dundalk lads in New Zealand alright.

ChocolateSauce · 29-08-2009 06:40PM

I intend to, probably to London or Paris.

flynnser19 · 29-08-2009 06:41PM

Whiskey Devil wrote: »

They're crying out for Dundalk lads in New Zealand alright.

i'm a girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and ive been there already and theyre open to a dundalk/s.armagh girl i found!!!lol

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-08-2009 06:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Exactly. As it is now, Ireland is losing its most skilled workers and those who are willing to work here have a smaller chance of getting places in college.

The people that are prepared to stay in Ireland for a time after graduation should have first refusal on certain courses

Have to ask yourself: Why?

My name is URL · 29-08-2009 07:08PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Have to ask yourself: Why?

I don't doubt that Ireland has its problems, but so do other places

If the most skilled members of our workforce abandon us what hope do we have of improving? It's a sad state of affairs =(

People are losing out on college places to people that won't even be here after they graduate, it's not right

This_Years_Love · 29-08-2009 07:17PM

If I hadn't of gotten my new job in July, I would have emigrated by the end of the year. I was planning on joining my uncle in America. He been over there for 18 years and lives in New Mexico. He has his own company over there now.

JONJO THE MISER · 29-08-2009 07:34PM

This_Years_Love wrote: »

If I hadn't of gotten my new job in July, I would have emigrated by the end of the year. I was planning on joining my uncle in America. He been over there for 18 years and lives in New Mexico. He has his own company over there now.

I was in Santa Fe back in 2005 for a few nights, i liked it but its Just too hot there, great pub there called the green onion run by a Irishman, good fun if i can remember correctly:D

29-08-2009 07:45PM

Gotta love those who take pleasure in mocking those who consider leaving.

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24246

Take a look at how Ireland compares. We need to rid ourselves of the idea that a 2 - 3 thousand square foot house is a mansion.

From that thread
http://www.finfacts.com/irishfinancenews/article_10004604.shtml

The average new house size in Australia and the United States is about 2,200 square feet, Canada and New Zealand 1,900 square feet and both the United Kingdom and Ireland an extraordinarily low 815 square feet and 930 square feet respectively. New British housing is now only 15% larger than the former East German slab developments, of which one million have been vacated, since the reunification of East and West Germany.

When it comes down to the most basic thing.....living space...Ireland blows...suck it up.
Great were better than the 3rd world woop! but nothing wrong with seeking a better standard of living in another 1st world country

Would you emigrate???

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