Do you believe the universe came from nothing

Zillah · 27-08-2009 10:49PM

Oh good.

That's when they unfreeze my head, repair it with medical nanite technology and grow me a new, eternally young and optimized body, right?

I wonder if they'll have telekinesis.

karlog · 27-08-2009 10:51PM

Zillah wrote: »

Oh good.

That's when they unfreeze my head, repair it with medical nanite technology and grow me a new, eternally young and optimized body, right?

I wonder if they'll have telekinesis.

I'll pray that they will

dvpower · 27-08-2009 11:15PM

Data_Quest wrote: »

We may never travel back in time but we can see back in time.

I did this earlier today. I looked towards the sun and saw it as it was eight minutes previous. I shouldn't have bothered; I looked again eight minutes later and not much had changed.

corcaigh1 · 27-08-2009 11:16PM

Little Mickey wrote: »

There has to be a reason, no matter how big or how small.
If not then it can only be an accident, the accident happened because a mistake was made but then the mistake was made because of some reason.

Reason
-Why did you get up this morning?
-Why did you kick a pebble when you were walking along the street?

Mistake (by a reason)
-Why did someone crash car? (by accident but the reason was because the tyres wouldn't grip at the speed they were doing, etc)
-Why did the house catch fire? (by accident but the reason was a match burnt the seat, etc)

So it had to begin somehow, a superpower or some God.
Then again a God is a term often used blindly, the God doesn't have to be like us.
So is any religon just a cover for whoever / whatever this is? Is it necessary then?
This gets very very complicated and I think i'm actually ranting a bit now, sorry.

Us= evolution Universe=Infinity..multiple(parallel) universes that go on and on....................

Flamed Diving · 28-08-2009 07:15AM

Malty_T wrote: »

Isn't there some statistic about 99% of all known species being extinct or something?

Yup, think about it.

ozzirt · 28-08-2009 08:27AM

Nothing is made of nothing....

If it were made by god,... what made god.

Nothing is made of nothing.

Therefore there must always have been "something".

Turtwig · 28-08-2009 10:55AM

ozzirt wrote: »

Nothing is made of nothing....

If it were made by god,... what made god.

Nothing is made of nothing.

Therefore there must always have been "something".

Arghh who said that???:mad:

I know some philosopher said something REAL similiar..who? Please refresh my memory it's naggin away at me now:(

ozzirt · 28-08-2009 01:31PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Arghh who said that???:mad:

I know some philosopher said something REAL similiar..who? Please refresh my memory it's naggin away at me now:(

I'm Sorry to disappoint you Malty T, but the only person that I know of having said it, is me. I may have heard it somewhere but if so I have no conscious recollection.

To me it's the only sane answer, and unfortunately for believers, it seems to rule out there having been a "god", because (s)he would have had to have come from somewhere.

Aaaarrrgghh!!!... circular arguments make my brain hurt.

Joe1919 · 28-08-2009 02:12PM

Has anyone ever looked into this idea of 'emergence'.
This idea seems to have possibilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

Perhaps the positive and negative forces (that constitute nature) have a sum total that is zero and emerge from the abyss of nothingness.

This idea is not as daft as it sounds. When we look at certain models of matter and molecules, they seem to contain equal quantities of positive and negative charges so it could be argued that matter is created from the splitting or seperation or emergence of 'nothing' into equal but opposites.

Has this any possibilities?

kiffer · 28-08-2009 02:17PM

sigh... Yes and no.

Turtwig · 28-08-2009 03:46PM

ozzirt wrote: »

I'm Sorry to disappoint you Malty T, but the only person that I know of having said it, is me. I may have heard it somewhere but if so I have no conscious recollection.

To me it's the only sane answer, and unfortunately for believers, it seems to rule out there having been a "god", because (s)he would have had to have come from somewhere.

Aaaarrrgghh!!!... circular arguments make my brain hurt.

*Searches Frantically for Sophie's World*

karlog · 28-08-2009 03:48PM

ozzirt wrote: »

Nothing is made of nothing....

If it were made by god,... what made god.

Nothing is made of nothing.

Therefore there must always have been "something".

What about the phrase 'God has always been'?

barling · 28-08-2009 03:51PM

We were programmed to only know of beginnings and endings. We cannot comprehend eternity.

Turtwig · 28-08-2009 03:53PM

karlog wrote: »

What about the phrase 'God The universe' has always been'?

FYP:p

karlog · 28-08-2009 04:14PM

Malty_T wrote: »

What about the phrase 'God The universe' has always been'?

FYP:p

Scientific evidence of the big bang theory says different. The universe is expanding from a beginning point in space/time. Hydrogen is powering all stars and other energy sources in space. If the fuel of the universe has been used eternally, that fuel will eventually be depleted.

Turtwig · 28-08-2009 04:26PM

karlog wrote:

Scientific evidence of the big bang theory says different. The universe is expanding from a beginning point in space/time. Hydrogen is powering all stars and other energy sources in space. If the fuel of the universe has been used eternally, that fuel will eventually be depleted.

I'm sorry but that just makes no sense to me whatsoever, care to help me out abit...:(

karlog · 28-08-2009 04:35PM

Malty_T wrote: »

I'm sorry but that just makes no sense to me whatsoever, care to help me out abit...:(

no

kiffer · 28-08-2009 04:38PM

ah but the singularity at the 'moment' of the big bang is in a mathematicaly timeless state... Time has no meaning before the first moment when time starts to flow/exist. That singularity then has the required property to have had always existed... It is free from the constraints of time.
Wahwahwah...

Turtwig · 28-08-2009 05:02PM

karlog wrote: »

Scientific evidence of the big bang theory says different. The universe is expanding from a beginning point in space/time. Hydrogen is powering all stars and other energy sources in space. If the fuel of the universe has been used eternally, that fuel will eventually be depleted.

Ahh so anything before the big bang has no meaning.;)

Since I was, by definition, the first human born in my life...therefore I am the first person to exist.
Therfore I am God, but you can call me Malty

Sam Vimes · 28-08-2009 05:33PM

Technically the universe has always existed because the word always is a time related word. There was never a time when the universe did not exist

ozzirt · 28-08-2009 10:15PM

karlog wrote: »

What about the phrase 'God has always been'?

I guess that it's just a perversion of what i said in that "something" has always been.

I just find it more logical to believe that matter of one form or another has always been,... rather than some man living in the sky who hasn't even got the power to stop the evil done by those living creatures that (s)he allegedly created.

liamw · 01-09-2009 09:56PM

OK, let's first be clear about what 'God' we are talking about. We are not talking about a personal theistic God that answers our prayers. I hate how religious people justify a theistic personal God using the 'so what created the universe then' argument.

They are two completely seperate things. The 'god' I am assuming we are talking about on this thread is simply a deistic god or a supernatural entity. I really wish we would stop using the word God for this. I'm no expert, but I think it's human nature to try to attribute a creator to everything. Just like we had (creationists still do) trouble differentiating between designed and designoid objects.

Again, if we postulate that the universe was created (notice how we're already assuming the universe is a 'creation') by a supernatural entity, then that entity by definition has to be at least as complex as the thing we are trying to explain right? As Dawkins would say 'we've explained precisely nothing'. Actually we've gone backwards a little.

The whole 'time' started at the Big Bang doesn't satisfy most people, simply becuase we just can't comprehend it. It is a valid argument though. I found the zero sum argument for mass + energy pretty interesting as I had not come across it before.

I guess my point is 'what created the universe' probably isn't even a valid question, just like 'what is our ultimate purpose?' isn't a valid question. That one really pisses me off becuase religious people always assume the human species are the target for all of evolution from the very first replicator. For no reason at all!! Get over yourselves!

Turtwig · 01-09-2009 10:09PM

liamw wrote: »

I think it's human nature to try to attribute a creator to everything. Just like we had (creationists still do) trouble differentiating between designed and designoid objects.
!

It's a binary paradigm of our minds : we tend to think that they're must have been a point where something began...what if it didn't what if it always just was?

OK, let's first be clear about what 'God' we are talking about.

You're talking about the laws of physics then

Do you believe the universe came from nothing

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