That scary "hotel" in North Korea is actually being finished...

dsmythy · 17-08-2009 04:15PM

TheZohan wrote: »

I lived there for 6 months. Did you?

I wonder what the civilian Korean experience is compared to yours. People fleeing a country doesn't paint it in a good light. Look at Ireland for example....

TheZohanS · 17-08-2009 04:19PM

petethebrick wrote: »

Don'y be such an idiot!
The NK regime has the blood of millions on their hands!!!!
Idiot!

So has the American. Does that mean we should all boycott Disneyland?

dlofnep · 17-08-2009 04:20PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Does that mean we should all boycott Disneyland?

We're already boycotting Disneyland. Get with the program man.

AlmightyCushion · 17-08-2009 04:21PM

petethebrick wrote: »

Don'y be such an idiot!
The NK regime has the blood of millions on their hands!!!!
Idiot!

Banned for abuse.

Carroller16 · 17-08-2009 04:24PM

You can see Pyonyang, North Korea fairly clearly on GE 4.37

major bill · 17-08-2009 04:28PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Banned for abuse.

The mods are a bit harsh.:cool:

uncleoswald · 17-08-2009 04:28PM

TheZohan wrote: »

I lived there for 6 months. Did you?

Out of interest did you talk to many of the locals? Did they give an idea of how they found their lot in life and what was their impression of the western world? And where did they get their information on it from? What kind of stuff was been reported by the state media?

I've definitly looked over NK on google earth.

major bill · 17-08-2009 04:29PM

TheZohan wrote: »

So has the American. Does that mean we should all boycott Disneyland?

spot on.

ScumLord · 17-08-2009 04:30PM

dsmythy wrote: »

I wonder what the civilian Korean experience is compared to yours. People fleeing a country doesn't paint it in a good light. Look at Ireland for example....

But when Irish people leave Ireland they seem to forget it's a ****hole and start singing it's praises.

17-08-2009 04:31PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

why would the structure be unsafe, a multiple ton tower crane has been sitting on the top for nearly 20 years without falling so that tells you the structure itself is sound

Because the engineer told them to build the base struts (or something like that) out of steel, but they didn't have enough steel so they used low-quality concrete instead. Which wasn't strong enough.

Jackobyte · 17-08-2009 04:32PM

Updated to GE 5 and now can view... couldn't view on GE Pro 4.3... Weird...

My name is URL · 17-08-2009 04:34PM

meh

AlmightyCushion · 17-08-2009 04:36PM

major bill wrote: »

The mods are a bit harsh.:cool:

Stern. Stern but fair. He could have gotten his point across without using abuse. We don't allow discussion of moderation on thread (it just ends up bringing the thread off topic) so if you would like to discuss this further then pm me.

major bill · 17-08-2009 04:37PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Stern. Stern but fair. He could have gotten his point across without using abuse. We don't allow discussion of moderation on thread (it just ends up bringing the thread off topic) so if you would like to discuss this further then pm me.

na spot on

Kintarō Hattori · 17-08-2009 04:40PM

My name is URL wrote: »

meh

Feeling the heat eh?

Bragadin · 17-08-2009 04:41PM

I have my doubts that this hotel will make any money, considering how large it is and the small amounts of visitors the country gets. I doubht many north koreans will be able to afford to stay there either. It's just a show for the foreigners, just like the giant flagpole in the dmz

TheZohanS · 17-08-2009 04:49PM

uncleoswald wrote: »

Out of interest did you talk to many of the locals? Did they give an idea of how they found their lot in life and what was their impression of the western world? And where did they get their information on it from? What kind of stuff was been reported by the state media?

I've definitly looked over NK on google earth.

Yes I talked to quite a few locals. They seemed happy enough; they just wanted to get on with life. Really nice people and had a great sense of humour. They reminded me of how Irish people were many years ago.

The older people were interested in Western culture but not to the point that they wanted to adopt it whereas the younger generation showed a greater interest. What they didn't like was the interference from Western countries; they felt that this would only create more problems for their people. They are a very proud people.

My name is URL · 17-08-2009 05:05PM

Well if the Americans say they're a threat to world peace then it must be true :rolleyes:

Is it any wonder they decided to develop nuclear weapons?

Pisses me off how the mindless masses just accept everything that the US says, they're trying to Americanise the globe and as soon as a nation shows any sign of not cooperating they become a danger..!

Go fcuk yourself America

King of Kings · 17-08-2009 05:42PM

TheZohan wrote: »

What did you find crazy about North Korea when you visited it?

actually my cousin went there this year and found it to be poor but nothing like the ****e that is spouted in the media over here.

Quint · 17-08-2009 05:43PM

I read before that the concrete used in the shell of the hotel was of such low quality, it couldn't be finished.
From wiki:

After 16 years of inactivity, foreign residents in Pyongyang noted that Egypt's Orascom Group started refurbishing the top floors of the hotel in April 2008. Though the effect on the architecture has yet to be determined, glass paneling and telecommunications antennas were observed being installed.

[12]

The Orascom Telecom subsidiary of the group confirmed involvement in the structure to begin developing GSM infrastructure in North Korea for up to 100,000 initial subscribers.[13] Only government officials are currently permitted to use mobile phones and the service has been banned from use by ordinary citizens and foreigners since 2002.[14]

In September 2008, a senior North Korean official said the refurbishing of the Ryugyong Hotel will be done by 2012 - the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung. At the same time, an Orascom company official said the goal of the project was to at least give the structure's facade a facelift and make it more attractive.[7]

On December 22, 2008, photos of ongoing construction at the hotel appeared on the Internet.[15] The exterior construction has included the installation of windows and a covering of the top (circular) floors

Sure even if they did complete it, it's not like they'll fill it with tourists.

Pygmalion · 17-08-2009 05:50PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Well if the Americans say they're a threat to world peace then it must be true :rolleyes:

Is it any wonder they decided to develop nuclear weapons?

Pisses me off how the mindless masses just accept everything that the US says, they're trying to Americanise the globe and as soon as a nation shows any sign of not cooperating they become a danger..!

Go fcuk yourself America

Oh come on, surely you ca at least change your avatar before posting this. The NK propoganda machine is falling behind.

dsmythy · 17-08-2009 05:53PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Yes I talked to quite a few locals. They seemed happy enough; they just wanted to get on with life. Really nice people and had a great sense of humour. They reminded me of how Irish people were many years ago.

The older people were interested in Western culture but not to the point that they wanted to adopt it whereas the younger generation showed a greater interest. What they didn't like was the interference from Western countries; they felt that this would only create more problems for their people. They are a very proud people.

I'm sure it won't take much for them to overthrow their tyrannical leaders who are mocking what it means to be Korean.

Did you expect them to tell you something that will constitute them digging their own grave?

My name is URL · 17-08-2009 05:59PM

Pygmalion wrote: »

Oh come on, surely you ca at least change your avatar before posting this. The NK propoganda machine is falling behind.

Why? I'm not saying that lil Kim etc don't have alot to answer for

but it should be a nationalistic revolt rather than Team America 'liberating them :rolleyes:' that helps achieve that, imo

Pygmalion · 17-08-2009 06:06PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why? I'm not saying that lil Kim etc don't have alot to answer for

but it should be a nationalistic revolt rather than Team America 'liberating them :rolleyes:' that helps achieve that, imo

Your avatar is Kim Jong-Il and you're post ended with "Go fcuk yourself America", I just thought it was a fairly obvious response.

ilkhanid · 17-08-2009 06:20PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Yes I talked to quite a few locals. They seemed happy enough; they just wanted to get on with life. Really nice people and had a great sense of humour. They reminded me of how Irish people were many years ago.

The older people were interested in Western culture but not to the point that they wanted to adopt it whereas the younger generation showed a greater interest. What they didn't like was the interference from Western countries; they felt that this would only create more problems for their people. They are a very proud people.

I'm sure the locals you talked to were well vetted. Were you allowed to get on a bus or train and wander wherever you liked? Just like the USSR in 1950 or China in 1968 the locals know the authorities are keeping a close watch on who they talk to and what they say.
And since North Koreans are not allowed to own mobile phones, read foreign newspapers or magazines, to watch foreign television or to have access to the Web I'm sure their ideas of Western culture are probably a bit ...peculiar.

My name is URL wrote: »

Why? I'm not saying that lil Kim etc don't have alot to answer for but it should be a nationalistic revolt rather than Team America 'liberating them ' that helps achieve that, imo

I'd be very very surprised if there is ever a revolt in North Korea. Since the people have nothing to compare their condition to, they have no idea that their state is as appalling as it is. They are closely supervised and I doubt a smidgeon of dissent is tolerated. The reign of the Kims is absolute and any change can only come from the top.

dsmythy wrote: »

I'm sure it won't take much for them to overthrow their tyrannical leaders who are mocking what it means to be Korean.

Overthrow them with their bare hands? Against one of the largest armies in then world? I doubt it.

TheZohanS · 17-08-2009 06:36PM

ilkhanid wrote: »

I'm sure the locals you talked to were well vetted.

Really? How can you be so sure?

ejmaztec · 17-08-2009 06:36PM

:pac:...................................................:eek:

http://www.korea-dpr.com/menu.htm

Never fails to amuse.

dsmythy · 17-08-2009 06:44PM

ilkhanid wrote: »

Overthrow them with their bare hands? Against one of the largest armies in then world? I doubt it.

If the USSR can fall then so can North Korea.

Pygmalion · 17-08-2009 06:47PM

dsmythy wrote: »

If the USSR can fall then so can North Korea.

USSR wasn't overthrown, it got a leader willing to accept gradual change.
That won't happen in NK while Kim Jong-Il is alive, and it won't happen with his son either I'd bet

PrivateEye · 17-08-2009 06:51PM

Anyone pulling the old Hamas line on this one (We only hear what they want us to hear!!1!) is having a laugh surely?

They do have real socialists in North Korea, unfortunately they're more or less all in prison :rolleyes: Its not exactly a workers paradise, and I've never heard anyone on the left refer to it as such.

Despite horrific conditions, I've never heard of a workers strike in North Korea. Funny that.

That scary "hotel" in North Korea is actually being finished...

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