South Africa v Australia, Aug 8th

sock puppet · 08-08-2009 04:45PM

I always suspected the Aussies wanted the game to be more like Rugby League.

Onearmedbandit · 08-08-2009 04:45PM

Jello wrote: »

Yep very bad from Giteau. Oz down to 13 now, game over I'd say.

yep definitly thats the end of that. Springboks playing excellent.

Amabokke · 08-08-2009 04:46PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Woefully wrong decision by Rolland there Brown made the tackle got to his feet, tackler does not have to abide the offside line should of been play on.

There was more than one bok so Aussie was offside, good call.

Stev_o · 08-08-2009 04:48PM

Amabokke wrote: »

There was more than one bok so Aussie was offside, good call.

Oh come off it Ama if you actually think that's true then Brussow should of been gone many times last week take off the specs for a min and give equal treatment.

Amabokke · 08-08-2009 04:50PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Oh come off it Ama if you actually think that's true then Brussow should of been gone many times last week take off the specs for a min and give equal treatment.

:rolleyes: what about last year when Ferris did it, or maybe 2007 when Wallace did it or 2006 when Burger did it or 2005 when Collins did it.

This is now. Rollain made a similar call and gave penalty to Aussies earlier on so most of you who support this ref and says he is consistent that was the right call.

dfx- · 08-08-2009 04:51PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Pretty well milked to ensure the yellow.

Pretty much only an Anyone-But-South Africa viewer of that could say that needed to be milked to get the yellow..

Amabokke · 08-08-2009 04:55PM

dfx- wrote: »

to get the yellow..

Should've been a red. He will be cited for this quaranteed.

sock puppet · 08-08-2009 05:06PM

Aus should have kept Barnes at outhalf....

wixfjord · 08-08-2009 05:37PM

How do you feel spies played today amabokke? Im a bit underwhelemed again tbh.

sock puppet · 08-08-2009 05:42PM

wixfjord wrote: »

How do you feel spies played today amabokke? Im a bit underwhelemed again tbh.

If Habana hadn't been tackled off the ball there after Spies' kick ahead he probably would have scored.

Amabokke · 08-08-2009 05:45PM

wixfjord wrote: »

How do you feel spies played today amabokke? Im a bit underwhelemed again tbh.

This is what I would call an average game for Spies, not bad but not great either. But he did enough for an 8th man. Kankowski wouldnt have played better as the Wallabies illegal play would've limited his capabilities to run in space as well.

Amabokke · 08-08-2009 05:47PM

Will take the win but very dissapointed with the boks execution and finish. Should've scored at least 1-2 more tries and had the opportunity.

Travelling down under in a few weeks will be the last and ultimate test of this boks team to see how the fair abroad.

funky penguin · 08-08-2009 05:54PM

ZZzzzzzzzzzzz......

yimrsg · 08-08-2009 06:13PM

Well played South Africa, deserved winners but probably only played 70-80% of their best against the Lions. Australia's discipline cost them a losing bonus point and maybe the match as they were better with ball in hand but too often kicked it away (giteau's kicking out of hand was terrible).

I think the boks rely too much on set moves in offence, against 13 men they upped the tempo and played fast running rugby and managed only 3 points. All too often squandering possession and chances. It reminds me of England '03 where too much emphasis was on not making mistakes and capitalising on your opponents errors which they are exemplary at. And having a deadeye 10 who kicks your penalties. When they try and open up a team they lack the inbuilt flair and off the cuff skills that other teams have. Still their pragmatism works.

Australia need to sort out their lineout (lost 8 of their own) and probably get someone else in for giteau who will be cited for his flying body charge. Maybe need a replacement for mortlock who got a knock too. O'connor seemed at ease with the occasion and has to start in the rematch. Think Elsom should be in also.

Judgement Day · 08-08-2009 06:37PM

Having shared my local with the only other person (a Boks supporter) who was watching the match I have come to the conclusion that it's the arrogance of the fans not the players that I dislike. The Boks played some quality rugby and the Aussies have only themselves to blame as their lack of discipline gifted the game to the opposition. But what about James O'Connor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Connor_(rugby) what a talented youngster - I wonder with a name like that where his ancestors hail from. Munster of course!!! Bring on the November 28th!!!

pappyodaniel · 08-08-2009 07:09PM

chupacabra wrote: »

Been looking forward to this fixture all summer and it looks like the weather will clear for this Saturday fingers crossed. This is as good an opportunity as any to scope out our opposition for the AI's.

Bismarck Du Plessis is clearly the coolest name in the rugby world today.

Chilliboy Ralepelle is ten times a cooler name!

fisgon · 08-08-2009 08:13PM

The Boks just strangle teams, they squeeze until there is no space and no time to do anything, they're like Munster on steroids.

In fact they are also like the Munster of 05/06, effective, winning but very very boring. are they now the most boring team in world rugby? Any time they gave the ball to their backs - which wasn't often - they messed it up, they have no creativity, no invention, no ambition, they have a great pack and a great kicking game, a dominant lineout and a pattern that they stick to. it's effective, but certainly not in any way entertaining. They don't care though, i'm sure, they're winning, but nul points for style. I'd like to see them beaten a few times in the Antipodes, when they go there.

As an afterthought, De Villiers....? I haven't seen him do anything useful in the five games i've seen him play in this summer. Good in defence but nothing in attack. And the Aussies don’t look to have too much to be afraid of, Ireland should take them in November if they have any claim to be a decent team.

subfreq · 08-08-2009 08:41PM

Probably the worst I have seen Giteau play in the green and gold. I wouldn't be surprised if Deans gives him a week in the dog house after that.

Also the worst I have seen Alain Rolland ref a match as well. He was so inconsistent at the break down and whether you are a Bok or an Aussie you would have been annoyed. There can be no arguing with the yellows though. The notion there will be citing after the game for one of them is laughable IMO.

The boks are really soft defensively out wide. It surprises me every time I watch them. At present no team can match the power up front or keep control of there lineout for long enough periods to take advantage.

It's no surprise to me both the Aussies and Kiwis suffered ill discipline as it's so annoying when a team just simply out muscles you. Morne Steyne has also arrived on the scene at an almost majestic time to SA rugby. Great player to watch.

Cuchulain · 09-08-2009 09:25PM

I hate the way the Boks play rugby, its the most unattractive brand Ive ever seen. Granted it effective but very little in the way of creativity and line breaks.
Most of their points were gathered from their power at the breakdown and set pieces.

Other than Fran Steyn, I cant recall any of their backs making any decent runs with ball in hand.

mikeruurds · 09-08-2009 11:49PM

Cuchulain wrote: »

I hate the way the Boks play rugby, its the most unattractive brand Ive ever seen. Granted it effective but very little in the way of creativity and line breaks.
Most of their points were gathered from their power at the breakdown and set pieces.

Other than Fran Steyn, I cant recall any of their backs making any decent runs with ball in hand.

They're playing to a game plan. The backs will get a look in when the opposition are deemed to have a weak defence and when they stop gifting the boks fistfuls of penalties in their own half.

10-08-2009 12:03AM

Cuchulain wrote: »

I hate the way the Boks play rugby, its the most unattractive brand Ive ever seen. Granted it effective but very little in the way of creativity and line breaks.
Most of their points were gathered from their power at the breakdown and set pieces.

Other than Fran Steyn, I cant recall any of their backs making any decent runs with ball in hand.

Its very similar to Irelands.

Kick the corner and then run when the pressure breaks holes.

Amabokke · 10-08-2009 09:39AM

Cuchulain wrote: »

I hate the way the Boks play rugby, its the most unattractive brand Ive ever seen. Granted it effective but very little in the way of creativity and line breaks.
Most of their points were gathered from their power at the breakdown and set pieces.

Other than Fran Steyn, I cant recall any of their backs making any decent runs with ball in hand.

Oh please, watch the game again. Australia with their negative tactics stopped us so many times from scoring tries. Should we continue to do that with their negative play and not take the 3 points??

The boks wants to play in the opposition's half and are forcing teams to turn around with their kicking.

subfreq · 10-08-2009 10:27AM

I have to say I really enjoy watching the Boks in a perverse way. They play to there strengths and to win games. Declan is trying almost exactly the same tactics.

It's not up to the Boks to be expansive just for the sake of it. Right now they have a system that no one can beat so fair play to them.

They will lose games in this tri-nations tournament so it will be interesting to see how they respond from that.

Amabokke · 10-08-2009 10:35AM

subfreq wrote: »

It's not up to the Boks to be expansive just for the sake of it. Right now they have a system that no one can beat so fair play to them.

Agreed. It's laughable how some posters see the boks as boring because they don't play expansive. The funny part is that you don't see expansive international tests anymore unless you play against Portugal or Romania. Teams defensive systems have changed with the game and not allowing oppositions to run the ball. In the S14 they concentrate less on defence so running with the ball is a big priority.

Cuchulain · 10-08-2009 10:43AM

Amabokke, I dont recall too many situations that Australia illegally stopped SA from getting a try. The Wallabies produced the only real moment of brilliance with the opening try. Other than the Smith break/kick I couldnt see SA producing anything close to that style of rugby.

Dont get me wrong, I admire their physicality and passion but its not the style of rugby I overly enjoy watching. There was a post here a while back stating how rugby is now being dominated by bulk - and I think SA are the empitamy of this. They are winning the games purely by brute force with snippets of footballing in between.

How can a fixture list give SA 3 home games in a row at the very start of the tournament? Was the draw purely random?
Surely this is a massive advantage as it would give them a sound footing for the rest of the tournament.

yimrsg · 10-08-2009 11:00AM

Cuchulain, there was a deliberate tackle on habana whilst not having the ball from being kicked through in the second half, which could have led to a try. It was probably too far out to be considered a definite try. Probably more but can't think of any at the moment.

From watching the south africa play in the lions series and the tri-nations I think they are playing more conservatively in the backs and in attacking phases. Perhaps that is something to do with Steyn's emergence at 10, ultimately changing their whole style of play. I don't recall their centres ever having any meaningful opportunities with ball in hand against the aussies.

Cuchulain · 10-08-2009 11:06AM

yimrsg wrote: »

Cuchulain, there was a deliberate tackle on habana whilst not having the ball from being kicked through in the second half, which could have led to a try. It was probably too far out to be considered a definite try. Probably more but can't think of any at the moment.

I think that was Pieterson. The ball was covered by the fullback or wing (I can remember who) and at best Pieterson would have made the tackle before it was cleared. There wasnt a hope in hell of him getting to the ball before one of the Aussies.

Amabokke wrote: »

It's laughable how some posters see the boks as boring because they don't play expansive.

But isnt expansive rugby more enjoyable to watch than endless kicking/brute force/smash em up rugby? Are you not just reiterating my point?

Amabokke · 10-08-2009 11:06AM

Cuchulain wrote: »

Amabokke, I dont recall too many situations that Australia illegally stopped SA from getting a try. The Wallabies produced the only real moment of brilliance with the opening try. Other than the Smith break/kick I couldnt see SA producing anything close to that style of rugby.

Dont get me wrong, I admire their physicality and passion but its not the style of rugby I overly enjoy watching. There was a post here a while back stating how rugby is now being dominated by bulk - and I think SA are the empitamy of this. They are winning the games purely by brute force with snippets of footballing in between.

How can a fixture list give SA 3 home games in a row at the very start of the tournament? Was the draw purely random?
Surely this is a massive advantage as it would give them a sound footing for the rest of the tournament.

Habana tackled when spies kicked. Smith slapped ball from Du Preez when SA had a 5 to 3 overlap.

Then probably not try scoring opp but I counted 4 times where George Smith everytime SA kicked he looked at the bok player from over his should and tried to obstruct. Once he was penalised.

SA is not playing expansive so were not looking for the style of rugby you're referring too. Wallabies try was good but it was also a pathetic attempt from Pietersen to tackle high.

SA have always played bulk rugby, this is nothing new.

Oh dear, now SA has an advantage because of 3 first home games?? lol. Did you see the fixtures over last few years?? Go have a look and them come back and post here.

Amabokke · 10-08-2009 11:10AM

Cuchulain wrote: »

But isnt expansive rugby more enjoyable to watch than endless kicking/brute force/smash em up rugby? Are you not just reiterating my point?

And how did expansive help the ABs when they dominated 2 years ago?? All that expansive play and could not beat the French in the end.

We all want to see tries, but I'd take a win and 1 to 0 tries before 5 tries and we loose.

If Ireland were to win the way SA does I don't believe too many of you would care.

Oh, up until before PDV SA did play expansive, we scored 2nd most tries in WC07 and only reason why ABs scored more is because they had Italy and Portugal in their group. We tried to play expansive last year in the 3N and it cost us big.

anonymous_joe · 10-08-2009 11:11AM

Amabokke wrote: »

Agreed. It's laughable how some posters see the boks as boring because they don't play expansive. The funny part is that you don't see expansive international tests anymore unless you play against Portugal or Romania. Teams defensive systems have changed with the game and not allowing oppositions to run the ball. In the S14 they concentrate less on defence so running with the ball is a big priority.

It's the summer, so we can't really complain about Leinster/Munster so we all need something else to bítch about. :pac:

South Africa v Australia, Aug 8th

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