United Ireland

KINGofHEARTS · 08-08-2009 12:18PM #1

Simple question

Would you support or like to have a united Ireland ? ? ?

ciano1 · 08-08-2009 12:19PM

Yes

Doyler92 · 08-08-2009 12:20PM

Do anything for it!

TanG411 · 08-08-2009 12:22PM

Doesn't bother me. I'll leave the country as soon as I leave college if I can :pac:

Berty · 08-08-2009 12:22PM

Unite with whom?

My name is URL · 08-08-2009 12:23PM

Yes, but only if it was a fully unanimous decision from people on both sides

no more bombing innocent people to get a point across

philologos · 08-08-2009 12:24PM

I don't support a United Ireland as long as the democratic will of the people in Northern Ireland is opposed. If this ever changes in the future it will be a possibility. Until then we have to accept things the way they are. I.E That Northern Ireland is a soveriegn territory of the UK. I don't really think it makes much difference whether it is a part of the UK, or a part of the Republic to be honest, it's not something I lose much sleep over.

Pride Fighter · 08-08-2009 12:25PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Yes, but only if it was a fully unanimous decision from people on both sides

no more bombing innocent people to get a point across

I agree, support it by means of passing referenda in both jurisdictions.

Big Knox · 08-08-2009 12:27PM

If you could take away all the bull****, voilence and hatred then I can't see how anyone could say no....

But sadly that's never ever going to happen.

Hagar · 08-08-2009 12:27PM

Surely you mean democratic majority? Just one no vote would stop it being unanimous.

Pighead · 08-08-2009 12:29PM

It's a pointless question. It's like asking "Would you support the idea of Marty Morrissey and Britney Spears getting married?"

We could all vote yes just to see how they'd get on and find out what their babies would look like but at the end of the day Pighead very much doubts that either Marty or Britney would be happy to partake in such a union just to please the masses.

Marty would be pissed off having to go to movie premieres in LA knowing that Laois were playing Carlow in a minor football semi final back home while Britney would be pissed off that she'd have to walk up the red carpet with a small fat oompaloompa whose hair dye is rubbing against the hip area of her fancy dress.

El Siglo · 08-08-2009 12:30PM

One crappy country and one less crappy country, joining to make one giant crappy country, what can possibly go wrong?

KINGofHEARTS · 08-08-2009 12:30PM

What I can't understand is the apathetic attitudes of Irish people, it's OUR FOOKING COUNTRY ... the brits invaded it and took it over and now call it as their own, it's a load of bollox, they have to be fought out of every bloody where they go, and when the locals stand up to them and kill a few of their soldiers they call them terrorists...LOL... how can u invade a country and when the locals stand up and fight back you call them terrorists

and because this has being going on for so long now people can't be arsed any more

I can guarantee if the brits had of kept another part of the country ie Dublin or Cork instead of the north alot of you would be signing a totally different tune

senordingdong · 08-08-2009 12:30PM

Jesus no.

I don't want to be in anyway associated with the scum from across the border.
Especially the Republicans.

philologos · 08-08-2009 12:33PM

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

What I can't understand is the apathetic attitudes of Irish people, it's OUR FOOKING COUNTRY ... the brits invaded it and took it over and now call it as their own and because it's being going on for so long people can't be arsed any more

I can guarantee if the brits had of kept another part of the country ie Dublin or Cork instead of the north alot of you would be signing a totally different tune

Who cares? A nation is only a mere social construct something that exists merely conceptually. I personally think the world would be a better place if more people took an apathetic attitude towards nation. Especially when this attitude can retard any form of diplomacy as we have seen both in Ireland and elsewhere in the world.

The only thing that really matters is this: We're all humans, and we're all in this life thing together. Let's make it easier for eachother.

Edit: As for the planations malarky, it happened 400 years ago. We need to start to get over it. Many of us in Ireland also attribute at least part of our descent to British settlers. That's reality.

I think the notion of "foreign" as hilarious anyway, as the first settlers of any country had to come from somewhere else first. The "first Irish" were also foreign.

stovelid · 08-08-2009 12:35PM

We would end up 'supporting' Northern Ireland in the same fashion that we're supporting property developers and banks.

I'd love to see armchair republicans on here squaring that with the low taxes (while paradoxically griping about useless representation and shite services) so beloved of the electorate in the south.

SprostonGreen · 08-08-2009 12:41PM

Absolutely not. There are enough narrow minded, inward looking bigots in this republic as it is, we do not need to absorb the ones from across the border.

The economy cant be sustained as it is at 26 counties, how would we manage with 32, we couldnt simple as. Ireland is the republic, that small other part is the UK and they are welcome to it.

Kalashnikov_Kid · 08-08-2009 12:42PM

What would we do with 1 million odd British people? Some of who hate us...

harsea8 · 08-08-2009 12:43PM

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

What I can't understand is the apathetic attitudes of Irish people, it's OUR FOOKING COUNTRY ... the brits invaded it and took it over and now call it as their own, it's a load of bollox, they have to be fought out of every bloody where they go

and because it's being going on for so long now people can't be arsed any more

I can guarantee if the brits had of kept another part of the country ie Dublin or Cork instead of the north alot of you would be signing a totally different tune

I think you'll find that most Brits, at least those in England, Wales and Scotland, don't give 2 sh*ts about NI and would happily give it back if it stops us lot from moaning about it; ditto with most politicians in Westminster. The problem is that many of the Brits (ie Unionists) who live in NI don't want to be part of a united ireland, and a small minority would be happy to take up arms to prevent it (which would put us all back to square 1). The Unionist population of NI, however, have been living there for such a long time that "fighting" them out of there just isn't an option...if it happens, it has to happen by consensus.

Wertz · 08-08-2009 01:06PM

Idealistically I support it.

Realistically I don't.

Bit of a fencesitter's attitude I know, but who here can honestly say that;
1) The loyalists would ever come around to the idea
2) That even at our richest, our State could afford to take on the added financial burden that NI represents (no NAMA arguments please)

Self determination and cross border bodies are about as good a deal as it gets IMO...all that's missing is the discontinued presence of UK military forces.
The place has been divided for too long, in too many ways for it ever to become truly united...you only have to see the contempt some of those in the republic have for NI, it's people and it's issues (and vice versa) to recognise that...

Whiskey Devil · 08-08-2009 01:07PM

If only I could live to see the day. It would obviously signal a huge step forward for people on both sides of the border, and could only be a good thing. Why anybody would oppose peace? Realistically, it will never happen.

A little off topic, but does anybody else hate the STUDENT mentality (seen above) of 'I'm leaving this country when I finish college/get my degree and never coming back'. How about you stop scrounging off the tax payer and go study somewhere else then? The fact is that 90% of you will be back with your tail between your legs when you realise that life elsewhere isn't all that great. Gobsh*tes.

DonJose · 08-08-2009 01:09PM

Heart says yes, pocket says no, united Ireland = No more cheap NI booze

ejmaztec · 08-08-2009 01:12PM

Can you imagine what it would be like to get a bargain, if it were one state on the island? It's bad enough with 26/32 getting robbed without going the whole hog and having a completely captive audience. We'd be screwed double.:eek:

There'd still be people heading north, only they'd be going to Larne instead of Newry.

RandolphEsq · 08-08-2009 01:12PM

Northern Ireland is a ****hole and Britain would only be too happy to give it to us. It is a leech that would keep sucking at all the prosperity in the South until we are both poor together.
Cut it off and float it towards Iceland

TPD · 08-08-2009 01:16PM

Dont really care. Would be annoyed that a close source of cheap booze was gone. Also, it's nice having some shops etc in the north that dont operate in the republic.

I'm another hoping to leave when I've finished college.

Whiskey Devil · 08-08-2009 01:21PM

stovelid wrote: »

We would end up 'supporting' Northern Ireland in the same fashion that we're supporting property developers and banks.

I'm no economic expert, but surely if the six counties were incorporated into a 32 county economy there would be need to 'prop up' anybody.
Isn't the reason it cost the British so much money is because 1. it's so small (even the British didn't expect NI to last) 2. their military presence there for the last 40 years 3. they've have to rebuild it after 30 years of war.

Wertz · 08-08-2009 01:22PM

Whiskey Devil wrote: »

A little off topic, but does anybody else hate the STUDENT mentality (seen above) of 'I'm leaving this country when I finish college/get my degree and never coming back'. How about you stop scrounging off the tax payer and go study somewhere else then? The fact is that 90% of you will be back with your tail between your legs when you realise that life elsewhere isn't all that great. Gobsh*tes.

Yup...something I'm seeing/hearing a lot more of lately. Really one for a new thread though...

philologos · 08-08-2009 01:22PM

Whiskey Devil wrote: »

I'm no economic expert, but surely if the six counties were incorporated into a 32 county economy there would be need to 'prop up' anybody.
Isn't the reason it cost the British so much money is because 1. it's so small (even the British didn't expect NI to last) 2. their military presence there for the last 40 years 3. they've have to rebuild it after 30 years of war.

And you really think that we wouldn't have to have a military presence in Northern Ireland if it was a part of the Republic? That's merely wishful thinking.

pablomakaveli · 08-08-2009 01:23PM

I'm completely against it. I see the North as a foreign country and as far as i'm concerned it's not our responsibility.

Whiskey Devil · 08-08-2009 01:30PM

Jakkass wrote: »

And you really think that we wouldn't have to have a military presence in Northern Ireland if it was a part of the Republic? That's merely wishful thinking.

We are talking hypothetically. It's not like anybody expects the Irish army to go to war with the LVF for 30 years. If a United Ireland was ever to become a reality (a democratic decision by a majority on both sides of the border, it would mean a HUGE shift in opinion by the Loyalist people in the north). If it was on peaceful terms, basically. As I said, it will never happen.

KINGofHEARTS · 08-08-2009 01:31PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I'm completely against it. I see the North as a foreign country and as far as i'm concerned it's not our responsibility.

Possibly the most west brit attitude I have ever heard, be sigining a totally different tune if it was your part of the country that was divided

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