Father prays daughter to death

arybvtcw0eolkf · 02-08-2009 02:04PM

Jenroche wrote: »

What is it with these people? Hello, you're supposed to call the ambulance before the person stops breathing. Dumbasses. :mad:

Jen ;->

Linky?.. Whats your sources?.

Unfounded BS IMO.

I bet someone takes this serious.

philologos · 02-08-2009 02:12PM

I think people need to realise that the hospitals are there to help and that God can work through these hospitals. I would never advise people to try faith healing in comparison to good medicine unless there was absolutely no cure that could be found in a hospital.

MagicMarker · 02-08-2009 02:14PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I think people need to realise that the hospitals are there to help and that God can work through these hospitals.

What does he do?

galwayrush · 02-08-2009 02:16PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What does he do?

He finances the Hospitals when the HSE fails.:pac:

El Guapo! · 02-08-2009 02:16PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What does he do?

MAGIC

Coriolanus · 02-08-2009 02:17PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What does he do?

He created insulin and blessed Doctor Bob with a generous disposition that saw him enter the medical profession in order to treat people with such ailments.

Stercus Accidit · 02-08-2009 02:20PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What does he do?

Cure people who were injured in a drunk driving incident where they killed someone else, and gives children cancer.

Oh what mysterious ways!

On a serious note, the myth of modern God comforts the weak minded, not the traditional one described in the ancient books used to control the ignorant and maintain the power of the rich and wealthy. Remember, believing in something with no evidence because everyone else does is called faith, and is a quality!

Except when children die, probably had an evil soul/didn't have enough faith.

**Timbuk2** · 02-08-2009 02:45PM

It's always little girls called Madeline, isn't it :rolleyes:

philologos · 02-08-2009 02:54PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

What does he do?

Let me clarify myself. If hospitals are available there is no excuse for not using them, and I feel it's rather selfish to pray to God to expect healing when there are trained medics available to you.

As for God working through hospitals, I believe that God can work through people according to His will for them. That's what I meant. For someone of a non-Christian disposition you won't hold such a position.

Flecktarn · 02-08-2009 02:59PM

You have to wonder sometimes about peoples sanity.......

galwayrush · 02-08-2009 03:01PM

Flecktarn wrote: »

You have to wonder sometimes about peoples sanity.......

I gave up on that years ago.:rolleyes:

ShooterSF · 02-08-2009 03:05PM

Jakkass wrote: »

I think people need to realise that the hospitals are there to help and that God can work through these hospitals. I would never advise people to try faith healing in comparison to good medicine unless there was absolutely no cure that could be found in a hospital.

But surely as a christian you can understand his approach? Assuming of course his belief that his daughter had lived a good christian life. He simply asked your (plural) god to give him more time with his daughter but accepted his ultimate decision and in the end should celebrate the fact that she was only forced through a short spell on this mortal plane before being called up to heaven.
Or am I really getting mixed up here?

philologos · 02-08-2009 03:12PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

But surely as a christian you can understand his approach? Assuming of course his belief that his daughter had lived a good christian life. He simply asked your (plural) god to give him more time with his daughter but accepted his ultimate decision and in the end should celebrate the fact that she was only forced through a short spell on this mortal plane before being called up to heaven.
Or am I really getting mixed up here?

Prayer isn't something that is always answered the way you want prayer to be answered.

Where hospitals are available I think as a caring parent the best you can do is bring your child to a hospital and then seek God while doing so. Again, I think it is rather selfish to expect God to intervene even where there are alternatives to deal with your childs medical issue.

Opposition to modern medicine is mere insanity and shouldn't be tolerated within Christian communities.

As for plural, God is one, comprised of three parts.

As for living a good Christian life and going to heaven and all of that. Yes, one could say that, however one could say that we have a duty to remain alive to share the Gospel when we are here on this earth.

Philippians 2:21-26 wrote:

For me living is Christ, and dying is gain. If I am to live in the flesh, that means fruitful labour for me; and i do not know which I prefer. I am hard pressed between the two: my desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is better; but to remain in the flesh is more necessary for you. Since I am convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with all of you for your progress and joy in your faith, so that I may share abundantly in your boasting in Christ Jesus when I come to you again.

Call Me Jimmy · 02-08-2009 03:19PM

Jakkass wrote: »

Prayer isn't something that is always answered the way you want prayer to be answered.

Where hospitals are available I think as a caring parent the best you can do is bring your child to a hospital and then seek God while doing so. Again, I think it is rather selfish to expect God to intervene even where there are alternatives to deal with your childs medical issue.

Opposition to modern medicine is mere insanity and shouldn't be tolerated within Christian communities.

As for plural, God is one, comprised of three parts.

As for living a good Christian life and going to heaven and all of that. Yes, one could say that, however one could say that we have a duty to remain alive to share the Gospel when we are here on this earth.

Jesus. Christ. Either he intervenes or he doesn't - make up your mind!

ShooterSF · 02-08-2009 03:30PM

Jakkass wrote: »

Prayer isn't something that is always answered the way you want prayer to be answered.

Where hospitals are available I think as a caring parent the best you can do is bring your child to a hospital and then seek God while doing so. Again, I think it is rather selfish to expect God to intervene even where there are alternatives to deal with your childs medical issue.

Opposition to modern medicine is mere insanity and shouldn't be tolerated within Christian communities.

As for plural, God is one, comprised of three parts.

As for living a good Christian life and going to heaven and all of that. Yes, one could say that, however one could say that we have a duty to remain alive to share the Gospel when we are here on this earth.

I meant the pluralise the word "your" not god.

Anywho. As for saying you have a duty to remain alive does that not fly in the face of the recent change which said that people who commit suicide can enter heaven?

indough · 02-08-2009 03:39PM

wasnt it just the catholic church which said that?

Banter Joe · 02-08-2009 03:48PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Anywho. As for saying you have a duty to remain alive does that not fly in the face of the recent change which said that people who commit suicide can enter heaven?

God looks at things on a case by case basis.

Here, the child in question died, which was unfortunate, but was clearly necessary to teach the father a lesson. God, acting through the courts, found him guilty of murder.

Recently His opinion on suicide was rewritten after a referendum was passed with two votes for forgiveness, zero against. Jesus abstained.

The recently formed comittees looking at a revision of the views on abortion and euthanasia haven't heard back from Himself yet, and so that could be some time.

ihadu · 02-08-2009 04:39PM

Jakkass wrote: »

Let me clarify myself. If hospitals are available there is no excuse for not using them, and I feel it's rather selfish to pray to God to expect healing when there are trained medics available to you.

As for God working through hospitals, I believe that God can work through people according to His will for them. That's what I meant. For someone of a non-Christian disposition you won't hold such a position.

when is it not selfish/moronic?

Helix · 02-08-2009 04:41PM

Leah Juicy Trend wrote: »

What. The. Fuck. How could somebody be so deeply deluded that their religious belief over rides their parental instincts? Like, how could anybody sit and watch an eleven year old die on the floor? I have to stop clicking news related threads

easy, religious zealots are mentally unhinged

achtungbarry · 02-08-2009 04:42PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Jesus. Christ. Either he intervenes or he doesn't - make up your mind!

The religious have a simple way out of this.

Somebody dies : god works in mysterious way or god wanted that person with him etc.

Somebody survives : it must have been god who saved him/her !

You just can't win with these people. They are immune to reason despite vigourous protestations to the contrary.

You simply cannot use reason to support the existance of creator sky wizard, you can use hearsay, ancient writings, faith, personal convictions but you can't use reason.

ihadu · 02-08-2009 04:46PM

achtungbarry wrote: »

The religious have a simple way out of this.

Somebody dies : god works in mysterious way or god wanted that person with him etc.

Somebody survives : it must have been god who saved him/her !

You just can't win with these people. They are immune to reason despite vigourous protestations to the contrary.

You simply cannot use reason to support the existance of creator sky wizard, you can use hearsay, ancient writings, faith, personal convictions but you can't use reason.

written by pissed up fantasists, read by needy fools.

Mrmoe · 02-08-2009 04:49PM

why is this a surprise to anyone.

ihadu · 02-08-2009 04:57PM

Mrmoe wrote: »

why is this a surprise to anyone.

i'm genuinely not surprised. when people, who believe in fairies and some fat sky wizard start procreating, this is to be expected.
however it brings me joy. the more this happens the more beds are available in hospitals for me

philologos · 02-08-2009 05:13PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Anywho. As for saying you have a duty to remain alive does that not fly in the face of the recent change which said that people who commit suicide can enter heaven?

What recent change? I personally look at Christianity from a Biblical basis.

It is up to God to decide who will or who will not enter heaven, it isn't the authority of any religious figure.

Biggins · 02-08-2009 05:50PM

Sadly, we have our own twisted sick scum on this island too...

House robbers attack boy, eight
4 mins ago

An eight-year-old child was struck with a baseball bat by robbers in Northern Ireland, it has been revealed.
His injuries are not believed to be life threatening but he was taken to hospital following the raid on his home in a loyalist estate north of Belfast.

The gang of six masked men smashed windows and damaged the property in the early hours of Saturday.
Police said: "An eight-year-old child had to be taken to hospital after he was struck with a bat by one of the intruders."
At approximately 1.45am it was reported the men had entered the property at Carmeen Drive, Rathcoole.
Detectives are appealing for anybody with information to contact them.
The boy's mother Lisa Moore said they were considering leaving the area.
"I may as well move and rebuild a life for myself and my son."
She said the cowardly assailants threw his computer on the ground and smashed a toilet and sink.

source: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090802/tuk-house-robbers-attack-boy-eight-f858358.html

philologos · 02-08-2009 06:07PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Jesus. Christ. Either he intervenes or he doesn't - make up your mind!

This is based on the assumption that prayer is always answered. I think God can also say no.

My mind is made up. God will intervene if it is in accordance with His will.

Wreck · 02-08-2009 06:09PM

religion lol

Turtwig · 02-08-2009 06:21PM

Jakkass wrote: »

This is based on the assumption that prayer is always answered. I think God can also say no.

My mind is made up. God will intervene if it is in accordance with His will.

His will - What about your own will, stand up, will ya!

RE -Biggins story, traumatic experience for any youngster.

MagicMarker · 02-08-2009 06:35PM

Jakkass wrote: »

This is based on the assumption that prayer is always answered. I think God can also say no.

My mind is made up. God will intervene if it is in accordance with His will.

Jakkass, I actually like you, you're young (well, younger than me:)), you're clearly very intelligent, but please, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, cop on to yourself.

Call Me Jimmy · 02-08-2009 06:36PM

Jakkass wrote: »

This is based on the assumption that prayer is always answered. I think God can also say no.

My mind is made up. God will intervene if it is in accordance with His will.

so we don't have free will then?

Father prays daughter to death

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