Father prays daughter to death

mike65 · 02-08-2009 10:40am #1

A man in the US accused of killing his 11-year-old diabetic daughter by praying instead of seeking medical care has been found guilty of second-degree reckless homicide.

Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted over the death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes.

Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called an ambulance when she stopped breathing/

/Their case is believed to be the first in the midwestern state of Wisconsin involving faith healing in which someone died and another person was charged with a homicide.

Last month, a jury in the western US state of Oregon convicted a man of misdemeanour criminal mistreatment for relying on prayer instead of seeking medical care for his 15-month-old daughter who died of pneumonia and a blood infection in March 2008. Both of the girl's parents were acquitted of a more serious manslaughter charge.

:rolleyes:

Ghost Train · 02-08-2009 10:47am

idiots

mikemac · 02-08-2009 10:52am

People surrounded her but only one person got convicted?

I wonder who the others were. Most likely the rest of the family but not much info in the article

bronte · 02-08-2009 10:54am

Why are these people allowed to have children? :rolleyes:

tallus · 02-08-2009 11:00am

mikemac wrote: »

People surrounded her but only one person got convicted?

I wonder who the others were. Most likely the rest of the family but not much info in the article

I'd say the father is in trouble because he's the legal guardian of the child.

Seriously though, these fcuking morons should be made to take an intelligence test before they are allowed to have children. It's a bloody disgrace.

cHaTbOx · 02-08-2009 11:03am

bronte wrote: »

Why are these people allowed to have children? :rolleyes:

Nazi's gave Eugenics a bad name I guess?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 02-08-2009 11:10am

Ghost Train wrote: »

idiots

Amen to that.

.

Caoimhín · 02-08-2009 11:20am

I despair when I read something like that. The newspapers are full of woe today. I might just close the curtains, turn on the TV and ignore the rest of the world for the day. Maybe a nice walk before dinner, read my book, do some gardening. Ahh, life is good again.:)

*Please excuse my ramblings.

Thoushaltnot · 02-08-2009 11:26am

This is what you'd expect from the history books, not "the West".

Religious leaders *need* to come out publicly and loudly and repeatedly to nip this in the bud and keep it nipped. To tell their flock to take the clearly ill and suffering in their care to a hospital or doctor in these cases. They can pray in the ambulance or at the hospital. "God helps those that help themselves", no?

Where religious leaders refuse, they should be co-prosecuted and membership of their congregation should be used as a weighting factor by social services to intervene and take guardianship of the young or otherwise vulnerable person.

And may she rest in peace, poor kid. Her and the 15 month old, also mentioned in the OP.

cruiser178 · 02-08-2009 11:31am

He should have been shot in the ****** and told pray to his so called god for healing

davyjose · 02-08-2009 11:32am

cruiser178 wrote: »

He should have been shot in the ****** and told pray to his so called god for healing

Maybe he was praying he wouldn't get shot in the ******.

Zillah · 02-08-2009 11:36am

cHaTbOx wrote: »

Nazi's gave Eugenics a bad name I guess?

Hey now let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Rebelheart · 02-08-2009 11:37am

Just read this story this morning. Here's a picture of this nutcase in court smiling:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8180116.stm

MagicMarker · 02-08-2009 11:45am

Common Sense - Zero
Religious Nut Balls - 12,425,235,987

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 02-08-2009 12:24pm

What. The. Fuck. How could somebody be so deeply deluded that their religious belief over rides their parental instincts? Like, how could anybody sit and watch an eleven year old die on the floor? I have to stop clicking news related threads

Banter Joe · 02-08-2009 12:33pm

Thats really unfair. It was clearly God's fault.

donkey balls · 02-08-2009 12:49pm

was there not a court case here about a child that needed a blood transfusion and the parents refused because of there religious belives.

where if the child did not get the transfusion they would die FFS there is some looneys out there

ihadu · 02-08-2009 12:56pm

Thoushaltnot wrote: »

This is what you'd expect from the history books, not "the West".

Religious leaders *need* to come out publicly and loudly and repeatedly to nip this in the bud and keep it nipped. To tell their flock to take the clearly ill and suffering in their care to a hospital or doctor in these cases. They can pray in the ambulance or at the hospital. "God helps those that help themselves", no?

Where religious leaders refuse, they should be co-prosecuted and membership of their congregation should be used as a weighting factor by social services to intervene and take guardianship of the young or otherwise vulnerable person.

And may she rest in peace, poor kid. Her and the 15 month old, also mentioned in the OP.

and admit this hocuspocus nonsense is just that. their flock should grow up, take ownership of their lives and realise theyve wasted their short time on this earth dreaming about some fantasy land that doesn't exist.

thomond2006 · 02-08-2009 1:10pm

If there is a God, he wouldn't bestow the gift of children on pr1cks like that. :mad:

Tea_Bag · 02-08-2009 1:24pm

he makes me sick.

ShooterSF · 02-08-2009 1:33pm

So wait, a court who asks people to swear to a god that they tell the truth punish a man who prayed to the same omnipotent god (a god who is supposed to decide to take someone up to heaven or not) not to take his daughter.
Seriously?

towel401 · 02-08-2009 1:38pm

AH just loves to hate religion

El Guapo! · 02-08-2009 1:44pm

I agree its stupid and I think its right that he got charged, but if he can be prosecuted then why cant they prosecute people in other religions who refuse transplants and blood transfusions??
Seems a bit hypocritical to me. :rolleyes:

Biggins · 02-08-2009 1:44pm

Serve him right. Gets what he deserves.

Jenroche · 02-08-2009 1:45pm

What is it with these people? Hello, you're supposed to call the ambulance before the person stops breathing. Dumbasses. :mad:

Jen ;->

Turtwig · 02-08-2009 1:46pm

Dean09 wrote: »

I agree its stupid and I think its right that he got charged, but if he can be prosecuted then why cant they prosecute people in other religions who refuse transplants and blood transfusions??
Seems a bit hypocritical to me. :rolleyes:

Or wears a T-shirt proclaiming

Homosexuality is a sin, Islam is Evil and abortion is murder

:rolleyes:

Allowed on the grounds of religion by the US courts.

ShooterSF · 02-08-2009 1:47pm

Dean09 wrote: »

I agree its stupid and I think its right that he got charged, but if he can be prosecuted then why cant they prosecute people in other religions who refuse transplants and blood transfusions??
Seems a bit hypocritical to me. :rolleyes:

Well the courts can force a parent to allow a child to get transplants I believe. In all of this I just don't understand how the court can not see it's hypocritical stance.

galwayrush · 02-08-2009 1:50pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg3mUhGVCgo

And if you think that what you think is true,
if you found peace deep inside of you,
if your faith made a mountain move for you then,
don't forget to pray for me, hear me now
if you think that jesus has saved you,
mother mary is waiting there for you,
if you think that god has spoke to you then,
don't forget to pray for me, hear me now
pray for me,
pray for me,
if you really do believe,
then don't forget to pray for me,
hear me now
if you think there's heaven when you die,
waiting for your freedom for your life,
when you pray does allah answer you,
then don't forget to pray for me, hear me now
and if you live in the promised land,
and your temple will be built again,
if moses brought you out of pharaoh's hands,
[ King's X Lyrics are found on
then don't forget to pray for me, hear me now
pray for me,
pray for me,
if you really do believe,
then don't forget to pray for me,
hear me now
you know, every day i look at god,
all around me, so near yet so far,
if you think you're better off than me,
then don't forget to pray for me,
hear me now
pray for me,
pray for me,
if you really do believe,
then don't forget to pray for me,
hear me now
umm, umm..........
don't forget to pray for me,
hear me now

RandolphEsq · 02-08-2009 1:56pm

bronte wrote: »

Why are these people allowed to have children? :rolleyes:

Forced castration FTW

RandolphEsq · 02-08-2009 1:58pm

Jenroche wrote: »

What is it with these people? Hello, you're supposed to call the ambulance before the person stops breathing. Dumbasses. :mad:

Jen ;->

But how else do you dispose of a body?

Biggins · 02-08-2009 2:00pm

RandolphEsq wrote: »

But how else do you dispose of a body?

Hungry boars/pigs come to mind as well as a deep hole and lime!
Then there is a liquid acid bath...

There's so many ways... :rolleyes:

Father prays daughter to death

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