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Sports Rights: English Premier League 2010/1 to 2012/3

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  • #152
    Skyhater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭Skyhater


    channelsurfer wrote: »
    absolute business suicide on behalf of setanta to charge that amount.... ok fair enough they might be relying on consumer inertia and not many cancelling but if espn are charging 12euro as reported then setanta will be in big trouble.

    Where did you hear about ESPN charging €12?
    ESPN are charging GB£12 for non-sky sports subscribers (GB£9 if you are a Sky Sports subscriber) in the UK.
    I haven't seen details for Sky in Ireland yet or any word if it will be carried on UPC.

    Thanks!!


  • #153
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    channelsurfer wrote: »
    absolute business suicide on behalf of setanta to charge that amount.... ok fair enough they might be relying on consumer inertia and not many cancelling but if espn are charging 12euro as reported then setanta will be in big trouble.

    Setanta in deep s**t pt 2


  • #154
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    I do believe they are about to hang themselves.


  • #155
    Ricks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭Ricks


    I was quoted €12 for ESPN by Sky Call Centre yesterday after they checked I have Sky Sports (this was Scottish Call Centre I believe.

    Slainte


  • #156
    channelsurfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 742 ✭✭✭channelsurfer


    Skyhater wrote: »
    Where did you hear about ESPN charging €12?
    ESPN are charging GB£12 for non-sky sports subscribers (GB£9 if you are a Sky Sports subscriber) in the UK.
    I haven't seen details for Sky in Ireland yet or any word if it will be carried on UPC.

    Thanks!!
    from the sky callcentre and reports on here


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  • #157
    Reganovski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Reganovski


    channelsurfer wrote: »
    absolute business suicide on behalf of setanta to charge that amount.... ok fair enough they might be relying on consumer inertia and not many cancelling but if espn are charging 12euro as reported then setanta will be in big trouble.

    €16.99 a month for what? Saturday 3pm games and constant repeats?? You're having a laugh....
    I'm paid up to mid-September so I have to stick it till then....then it's bye bye Setanta!


  • #158
    keith99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭keith99


    I won't be subscribing to espn, setanta or sky

    bbctv will show 13 live fta eng football league games such as 10 championship games and 2 league cup semi finals and the league cup final

    Itv will show 13 live eng fa cup games and all eng home competitive and home friendly games live

    tv3 will show 16 first choice champions league games live fta on tuesdays and 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays

    Five will also 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays and itv4 will also show live fta uefa europa league games as well

    itv1 and rte2 will show 17 live fta wednesdayschampions league games including the final on a saturday

    rte2 will show the remaining rep of ire's world qualifiers home & away games

    rtetv, bbctv and itv will show the 2010 world cup

    that is about 150 live soccer games next season for free there is no need to subscribe to espn, setanta or sky


  • #159
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    keith99 wrote: »
    I won't be subscribing to espn, setanta or sky

    bbctv will show 13 live fta eng football league games such as 10 championship games and 2 league cup semi finals and the league cup final

    Itv will show 13 live eng fa cup games and all eng home competitive and home friendly games live

    tv3 will show 16 first choice champions league games live fta on tuesdays and 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays

    Five will also 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays and itv4 will also show live fta uefa europa league games as well

    itv1 and rte2 will show 17 live fta wednesdayschampions league games including the final on a saturday

    rte2 will show the remaining rep of ire's world qualifiers home & away games

    rtetv, bbctv and itv will show the 2010 world cup

    that is about 150 live soccer games next season for free there is no need to subscribe to espn, setanta or sky

    Valid point but where are you going to view FAPL Live?


  • #160
    keith99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭keith99


    http://www.setanta.com/ie/Join-Now/NTL-Chorus/

    €18 per month for setanta ireland, I think I will pass as you get most of the sports on other tv channels for free

    formula one is free on the bbc
    most of the magners league rugby is free on the bbc and s4c
    GAA national league league live and deferred coverage is on tg4
    setanta only have second choice champions league and uefa europa league games


    keith99 wrote: »
    I won't be subscribing to espn, setanta or sky

    bbctv will show 13 live fta eng football league games such as 10 championship games and 2 league cup semi finals and the league cup final

    Itv will show 13 live eng fa cup games and all eng home competitive and home friendly games live

    tv3 will show 16 first choice champions league games live fta on tuesdays and 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays

    Five will also 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays and itv4 will also show live fta uefa europa league games as well

    itv1 and rte2 will show 17 live fta wednesdayschampions league games including the final on a saturday

    rte2 will show the remaining rep of ire's world qualifiers home & away games

    rtetv, bbctv and itv will show the 2010 world cup

    that is about 150 live soccer games next season for free there is no need to subscribe to espn, setanta or sky


  • #161
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    keith99 wrote: »
    http://www.setanta.com/ie/Join-Now/NTL-Chorus/

    €18 per month for setanta ireland, I think I will pass as you get most of the sports on other tv channels for free

    formula one is free on the bbc
    most of the magners league rugby is free on the bbc and s4c
    GAA national league league live and deferred coverage is on tg4
    setanta only have second choice champions league and uefa europa league games
    Yep 9.99 would have been fine for the EPL @ 3pm for me, connection charge & the 16.99 price may be the kick to the mouth that Setanta have coming to them


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  • #162
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    keith99 wrote: »
    I won't be subscribing to espn, setanta or sky

    bbctv will show 13 live fta eng football league games such as 10 championship games and 2 league cup semi finals and the league cup final

    Itv will show 13 live eng fa cup games and all eng home competitive and home friendly games live

    tv3 will show 16 first choice champions league games live fta on tuesdays and 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays

    Five will also 18 uefa europa league first choice games live fta on some wednesdays and most thursdays and itv4 will also show live fta uefa europa league games as well

    itv1 and rte2 will show 17 live fta wednesdayschampions league games including the final on a saturday

    rte2 will show the remaining rep of ire's world qualifiers home & away games

    rtetv, bbctv and itv will show the 2010 world cup

    that is about 150 live soccer games next season for free there is no need to subscribe to espn, setanta or sky

    Listen to the Premier League on the radio is it?


  • #163
    keith99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 56 ✭✭keith99


    watch it on free internet streams

    Mossy monk are you one of the many persons who pay to watch many predictable matches from the overhyped league in the world
    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Listen to the Premier League on the radio is it?


  • #164
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    There is no way I'd lower myself to the current state of Internet streams for the EPL.


  • #165
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    keith99 wrote: »
    http://www.setanta.com/ie/Join-Now/NTL-Chorus/

    €18 per month for setanta ireland, I think I will pass as you get most of the sports on other tv channels for free

    formula one is free on the bbc
    most of the magners league rugby is free on the bbc and s4c
    GAA national league league live and deferred coverage is on tg4
    setanta only have second choice champions league and uefa europa league games

    Yeah they really are putting the nail in the coffin.

    Question:-

    Do they plan to remove Setanta Ireland from the UPC's basic package or something?

    €18 for 1 channel which has most of the stuff on other channels or on Setanta Ireland.


  • #166
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    His link is incorrect and out of date.


  • #167
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    keith99 wrote: »
    Mossy monk are you one of the many persons who pay to watch many predictable matches from the overhyped league in the world

    Not that it's any of your business I do not subscribe to any pay tv. Predictable and overhyped? That's why you watch them all online? What streams do you have that come even close to broadcast quality? That may be good enough for you but not everyone. You seem to always forget this when you verbally masturbate over the wonders and joys of FTA television.


  • #168
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Anyone know why Setanta Sports 1 is being advertised on the website? Was it not part of UK arm which folded?


  • #169
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Anyone know why Setanta Sports 1 is being advertised on the website? Was it not part of UK arm which folded?

    The Irish Setanta Sports 1 was slightly different to the UK version and is still going, although (in common with Setanta Ireland) it isn't showing much at the moment other than rugby league and AFL.


  • #170
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    icdg wrote: »
    The Irish Setanta Sports 1 was slightly different to the UK version and is still going, although (in common with Setanta Ireland) it isn't showing much at the moment other than rugby league and AFL.

    Thanks for that. Am I right in saying that it is not possible now ti subscribe to Setanta if you live outside of the island of Ireland? If this is so then viewers in e.g. Scotland will not be able to see any home ML rugby games as Setanta ireland now have exclusive rights to these as I posted on another thread? Is this correct?


  • #171
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Thanks for that. Am I right in saying that it is not possible now ti subscribe to Setanta if you live outside of the island of Ireland? If this is so then viewers in e.g. Scotland will not be able to see any home ML rugby games as Setanta ireland now have exclusive rights to these as I posted on another thread? Is this correct?

    I would assume that Setanta lost ML rights in Scotland and that like SPL they will be resold for Scottish rights holders. However did STV or BBC ever show ML games?


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  • #172
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Thanks for that. Am I right in saying that it is not possible now ti subscribe to Setanta if you live outside of the island of Ireland? If this is so then viewers in e.g. Scotland will not be able to see any home ML rugby games as Setanta ireland now have exclusive rights to these as I posted on another thread? Is this correct?

    Its correct for viewers in Scotland, yes. Setanta will have relinquished their Scottish rights but no-one else has taken them up. BBC Wales and S4C have Magners League rights in Wales, though and satellite viewers will be able to watch this, although they will of course be Welsh rather than Scottish focused.


  • #173
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    icdg wrote: »
    Its correct for viewers in Scotland, yes. Setanta will have relinquished their Scottish rights but no-one else has taken them up. BBC Wales and S4C have Magners League rights in Wales, though and satellite viewers will be able to watch this, although they will of course be Welsh rather than Scottish focused.

    According to this article Setanta still hold the rights to matches in Scotland as well as Ireland - http://www.newsletter.co.uk/sport/RUGBY-Setanta-Ireland-confirms-deal.5490434.jp
    So it looks like Scottish viewers will not be able to see their teams play at home unlike Irish/Welsh viewers even though some of these matches will be covered live! Surely this is something that either Setanta or Magners League organisers need to address.


  • #174
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    That says
    Article wrote:
    And the News Letter now understands that Setanta Ireland will be covering games in Ireland and Scotland involving clubs from both countries when the Magners League rugby season kicks-off in September.

    It doesn't say that Setanta Ireland holds the rights for Scotland.


  • #175
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,127 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    It doesn't say that Setanta Ireland holds the rights for Scotland.

    You're right as it reads. However my interpretation (and I maybe totally wrong) is that Setanta still has the rights for Scotland for three reasons:
    (i) Fact that Ireland and Scotland are mentioned together and not separately suggests rights for both are still with Setanta.
    (ii) Article doesn't mention Wales in the article and Setanta have shown matches in Wales whose rights are held by BBC2W/S4C. So my view is that Setanta will continue to show matches in Wales where the rights are not theirs but they can still show the matches and will continue to hold rights for matches in Ireland and Scotland - It is these rights rather than just the showing of matches I think the article is making reference to.
    (iii) If Setanta doesn't have rights for Scotland then who has? We have heard of no separate deal with e.g. BBC Alba/STV.
    Sorry if the above looks and sounds a bit convoluted but I remain convinced that Setanta has an exclusive deal with ML to show live games in both Ireland and Scotland and if you're an Irish viewer that's fine as you can watch your team at home live on TV but if you happen to live in Scotland then it's bad luck, for you will not be able to subscribe to Setanta Ireland. I hope I'm wrong though!


  • #176
    Skyhater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭Skyhater


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    You're right as it reads. However my interpretation (and I maybe totally wrong) is that Setanta still has the rights for Scotland for three reasons:
    (i) Fact that Ireland and Scotland are mentioned together and not separately suggests rights for both are still with Setanta.
    (ii) Article doesn't mention Wales in the article and Setanta have shown matches in Wales whose rights are held by BBC2W/S4C. So my view is that Setanta will continue to show matches in Wales where the rights are not theirs but they can still show the matches and will continue to hold rights for matches in Ireland and Scotland - It is these rights rather than just the showing of matches I think the article is making reference to.
    (iii) If Setanta doesn't have rights for Scotland then who has? We have heard of no separate deal with e.g. BBC Alba/STV.
    Sorry if the above looks and sounds a bit convoluted but I remain convinced that Setanta has an exclusive deal with ML to show live games in both Ireland and Scotland and if you're an Irish viewer that's fine as you can watch your team at home live on TV but if you happen to live in Scotland then it's bad luck, for you will not be able to subscribe to Setanta Ireland. I hope I'm wrong though!
    Setanta can own all the rights in the world, but the don't currently have a channel that broadcasts in either Scotland or Wales. My guess is that they'll hand the Scottish rights (which the probably still own) back to the Magners League or Sell them onto BBC Scotland, etc.


  • #177
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    However my interpretation (and I maybe totally wrong) is that Setanta still has the rights for Scotland for three reasons:

    How can they hold the rights for Scotland if people in Scotland cannot subscribe?


  • #178
    Manc-Red
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭Manc-Red


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    How can they hold the rights for Scotland if people in Scotland cannot subscribe?
    :D


  • #179
    Skyhater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 311 ✭✭Skyhater


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    How can they hold the rights for Scotland if people in Scotland cannot subscribe?

    How can a 3rd party own Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano and not be a football club..... it Happens.
    In theory you can own rights and not have the mechanism to broadcast them, however I'd be surprised if there wasn't some clause in the contract that makes them broadcast x many Scottish games, etc. So Setanta will have to offload the Scottish rights.


  • #180
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Skyhater wrote: »
    How can a 3rd party own Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano and not be a football club..... it Happens.

    Shw me where it specifically states that Setanta in Ireland own the rights to the Magners League in Scotland.


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  • #181
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Shw me where it specifically states that Setanta in Ireland own the rights to the Magners League in Scotland.

    Setanta Hibernian a new company, with no links to the old company. Bar their owners, buildings, loans and other sundries.


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