Ho much can a beggar make per day/week?

Last I saw from many charities in the UK and europe who research the subject is that earning from begging have fallen dramaticaly this year since the economic crisis

Also in ROI there is now a begger or busker or whatever every ten meters. This is probaly due to economy going pear shaped and many from the building trade thrown on the dole and later social welfare

Also the new law that doesnt make begging illegal means that there is no risk to go to jail for the activity aswas the case a few years back.

In simple maths there isnt the same amount of money in ROI and there is more beggers so it highly likely that begging is no longer as lucrative in earning than previous years and would probably follow the european average less than 30 euros per day based on the last from the last set of stats on survey for the subject that I saw on line .

It seems that when begging earning drop substainsialy the jail population grows explosivly alongside crime as often some people need a lot more than what the social welfare is giving .

Often it seems the money they need is to pay back illegal money lenders who are into leg breaking to get thier money back.Sometimes it can also be for addictions like drugs or alchol and that also have money lending systems that break legs or worse.


It seems to me its a no brainer that jail costs of 2000 euros a week which get imposed on us tax payers versus paying the social welfare of 200 a week there is no real choice for the ROI tax payer but do the best possible to keep the people outside from jail system .If giving a few bob to beggers helps keep them out of expensive jails because they dont need to mug you or whatever it will help keep taxxes down .Sorta win win if you ask me

In Holland the government supplys the drugslike herion smack and cocaine which they can buy very cheap being a governmnet they get good rates not like drug users . This has reduced street crime and jail populations a lot as drug addicts no longer need to steal €500 a day to feed the habit and go a center where if they wish to give up they can apply for assistance there and then

For ROI they used to imprison the beggers which again was stupid and the new law means that stupid practice is finished .

The issue is all over europe and is less frowned on as I found traveling and working in most of europe
I have lived in spain and there the unemployment is often 30% plus and there are many beggers with even college degrees as I found out in my travels and work there .
I had one encounter with a begger who was begging in front for the shop come helping me to fix my car which had broke down in the busy street.I had my own set of tools and am fairly mechanical but I couldnt figure the problem.The begger a young guy about 30 using his broken english and my broken spainish explained he was a mechanic by trade.Sure enough he figured the problem the linkage to the gear box was faulty and was able to sort it in a few minutes with the few bits and bobs of spare nuts and bolts in my tool box.
We had a short a chat I gave him the going rate for fixxing a car and he was happy. Best i could figure with the lingo problem it seems that as a qualified mechanic after they finish a mechanic apreticeship in Spain the only way to stay always employed is to save up and buy your own garage. The big car fixxing chains keep cutting staff every time there is a blip in the economy and employing younger cheaper aprentises.
He said begging was earning about half the salary of a typical working man and often required to do it 7 days a week .He figured if he did busking he could match his working income but he said his music guys friends say the spots are often only good for a few selective hours and also you cant play musical instruments more than a few hours a day as it is tiring for the musles or fingers etc so its not for sure a safe bet as a income source

I imagine that its similar in Ireland that there might be one or two pros who make bigger money in begging but the majority are only getting a few extra bob maybe 20 euros a day to increase the kitty for thier cost for living in ROI
Trying to survive on the social security 200 a week isnt easy.
I really dont know how the families with young kids manage.I for one if I was married on the rates they give for social welefare to families what with shoes for school and school books costs and all the other stuff in this near total jobless screwed up economy would seriously decide to learn the guitar and busk so as to feed the family as there is no way there is eneough money on the socail welfare to keep the family going.

Only the civil servants with secure civil servant jobs can think it isnt nessary to beg for them.Not that many of them earn very much and are close to the bread line with depts .Also bear in mind they often have oonly got a secure income provided they dont get sick or the economy doesnt goes belly up altogether so it isnt absolute security like say a government minister gets after few years service with big pensions for life .

The rest for us not in secure employment even working in the shaky banks our mouths are limited .Our ability to spout rightous indignation crap against beggers from our mouths is limited in size to only as big as our last pay cheuque .
So when we walk into the office on friday and get our walking papers we might also find in this jobless economy after a few months with bills mounting and income fixxed on social welfare rates might need to start some begging to feed the kids or the dog or the canary whatever the reason is .

I just hope that most of us never have to try to find out how profitable or not profitable the ecomics of begging on the streets is.

I remember the good old bad days of late eighty times and half my mates left ROI and many said they survived in London busking until, they found a job or busking in between jobs as the economy there goes through a wobble of some sort like the crash of 89 that threw thousands of builders many who were Irish out of work for several years in London 89 crash .

Basically I give some money to beggers as they probably need it and sometimes have fed and housed some partiucaly in spain as half of them were really cool dudes when you got talking to them.Like everywhere a few wer wobbilies but having been practiced in stret life in europe was able to figure the difference most times

One of them I met was a Portugese guy and his spanish partner who was also a unemployed trained nurse but both were really good flute players .Seems he was formaly a bomb disposal army guy in the parchute regiment of Portugal.He was full for stories as he traveleld the world .In one case he explains when he was younger conscipted to the army on real bad pay .One day they frog march his army team platton whatever to the airport and stick them on a lagre jet plane .A few hours later the plane lands and a amercan army guy enters the plane and decalares welcome to Beurut Lebonon and here are your blue helmets.He said that with the miserable portugese army pay he had to beg from richer army guys in the USA army for some telephone credit to ring home to tell his family he wasnt going home any time time soon and that he wasnt in Portugal anymore .He then got blown up walking towards a suspisious Mercedeze car which was a car bomb and injured with schrapnel to his face and a long hospital stay so you would think he was a real bad dude with a big knife scars all over his face where they lifted fivety bits of metal from him and left another ten bits inside him .Later he went with the BBC and helped them in China Peking Timeen sqaure and said the west has no idea the scale of the killing. He figures he saw at least 20,000 killed there in the small section that he was in and the square was huge so 200,000 died that at least was his minimum estimate .
He was then busking as he had to desert the the Portuge army call up which called him up to go fight something maybe the gulf war 1 ,I forget , so he wasnt exactly able to leave Portugal with anything much and Spain was hostile for the Portuge for work sorta like the english Irish story .

As he said the spainish dont need bomb disposal abilties in the average factory ,resterant or hotel and his scars make it difficult to look the sales manger part which he had done in Portugal. He confirmed that busking with music was iffy one month up more than a average worker and another month down less than a average worker wages . Also it much harder to make money in winter months as it can get very cold in Spain in Madrid in winter and the fingers get cold with wind instruments. I know that he when he did get work he wouldnt do busking but the work in Spain wasnt so frequent as in very seasonal and half of Africa was coming to spain and would work for a lot less money than the spainish or portuge could live with. this meant more and more spainish and portuge were forced to do begging or busking as working for bad food crap housing and €0.30 cents an hour wasnt a real option where cost were ramping up rapidlily similat to the rest of europe .

Another young french couple I helped with housing in my city I lived in for a short while when I lived in France were also living in France and had a farm they had bought .Problem was they needed to get money to pay the local taxxes as the farm couldnt earn any income enough to pay the local taxxes which were very steep so many hundred euro per acre whatever .The only solution was busking.No social welfare in France pays the government local taxxes as that would be circular logic .So if you dont want to loose your house or farm you better find the cash to pay local taxxes from somewhere. Social welfare is for food and rental accomidation a flat county counsil house whatever so forth but not for private houses or private farms local taxxes .The result was they needed to busk in a city where the money was to found .They did an average of a few days in month to keep heads above the water and pay the government what they demanded

Apart from the French government demanding money taxxes from them they could feed and cloth themselfs and were producing electricity and everything they needed and were totally independent from the main stream life in the cities .I visited the farm and the life was good there goats chickens donkey crops you name it .
It was just the problem to find money to feed the french government with thier armies and police and scrounging civil servants all taxxing the hell out the people as last I saw france taxxes were nearly 60%.

Basically in Europe there isnt such a very negitive attide like what we find in ROI or the UK to the idea that we should jail or hassle street buskers or beggers as there is so much unemployment all over europe and they need to live also so its more like live and let live .

The ROI regime is all set to follow the French model of economics basicaly a communism sytem and make taxxes orbital closer to 60% as the economy cant feed the bloated government system and they need the money to pay the fat cats .Im all right jacK what about you too

So when in dought its simple "but for the grace of God go I " and give them a few coins as it could easily be us next week the way things are going as we go into the neo communist fachist Lisbon treaty Europe regime hell:eek: that dont care for the poeples

Derry

galwayrush wrote: »

I work 60 hours a week, 50 in the workshop, and 10 begging some of my customers to pay me.

The story of the planet .Ultinatly the reswt of the world who are not the top fivety rich list like the Queen for England who owns half of the UK canda and Australia some 6,000,million acres in total or Rockerfellr with gazzilion of $ then your in the beggging line to get paid down stream of the big honey pot.The begger in the streets is the last in begging chain

Derry