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Another crazy compo pay out, man sues family

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  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    If it was a car crash would that make it ok? I really do not see a problem with him suing.

    i don't see how a million euro is fair. that's a house and fifteen years salary.

    the man suing is on about "feeling guilty"? i'm sure he'll be feelin grand buyin his new bmw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    i don't see how a million euro is fair. that's a house and fifteen years salary.

    the man suing is on about "feeling guilty"? i'm sure he'll be feelin grand buyin his new bmw

    Who determines the 1 million euro. Surly the issue is the sueing! or are we envious of the fact that he got 1 million euro!


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yea. he's alive, isn't badly injured, hasn't lost any family and has a million euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    yea. he's alive, isn't badly injured, hasn't lost any family and has a million euro.

    What makes you think he is not badly injured?


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    If you read it , it doesn't mention any serious injuries.

    It would be one thing to sue if he had injuries and just sued the companies but the dead mans family?

    Disgusting thing to do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    DB10 wrote: »
    If you read it , it doesn't mention any serious injuries.

    It would be one thing to sue if he had injuries and just sued the companies but the dead mans family?

    Disgusting thing to do.

    The estate of the dead mans family this means 2 things

    He either sued for what the man left in his will mwhich was prob a heafty insurence policy

    or

    He sued on the mans insurence

    It does not actually say "~He sued the dead mans wife/Mother.kids!


    This is heading seriously out to the twlight zone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    am I missing something here?.....

    He did not sue the dead mans family.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    Fine the dead mans estate which would probably have been left to his family.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i'm just against the idea of winning the lottery because you got in a crash.

    a million euro is wholly disproportionate to the incident and no-one in their right mind can disagree with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    DB10 wrote: »
    Fine the dead mans estate which would probably have been left to his family.

    Your still missing the point! YOU DONT ACTUALLY KNOW! he either sued the insurence company of the man. This is done by sueing the estate and counter cueing the company or he sued the policy!

    I am finishing on this in saying It says NOWHERE that he sued the mans wife


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    If there were no other companies involved and the pilot had operated as a sole trader, would anyone have an issue with him pursuing the claim?

    I don't like the compo culture and if he wasn't injured I think a million is an outrageous sum but I do think he's entitled to sue the pilot. The fact that the pilot is dead is, to put it undiplomatically, secondary.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    javaboy wrote: »
    The fact that the pilot is dead is, to put it undiplomatically, secondary.
    a part of me thinks that if you sue someone is dead, you're implying that you ended up worse off than that person. which he didn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    1 million is a very large amount. Courts have been known to award disproportionate amounts, seeing as the pilot is not around to appeal the award, is there anyone else who can?

    It does seem unfair from that point, but it is stated that it was pilot error which caused the crash and that was accepted by all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    DB10 wrote: »
    If you read it , it doesn't mention any serious injuries.

    It would be one thing to sue if he had injuries and just sued the companies but the dead mans family?

    Disgusting thing to do.

    As it was settled out of court the full extent of his injuries were not disclosed. But i can tell you have does have serious injuries. As has already been pointed out he sued the estate who will now in turn sue the insurance company for the sum awarded. The dead mans family wont be out of pocket. All the defendents admitted liability and Mike is still on good terms with all the defendents

    Having visited Mike in hospital shortly after the accident and having seeing what he and his family have had to go through over the last four years and knowing what he will have to go through over the next number of years i can tell you he deserved every single penny.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    genuine question,

    i'm in a taxi, we crash in fog. i survive but taxi driver dies. can i sue the taxi drivers estate and the taxi company?


    the fact that it's a helicopter is distorting the opinions of the incident and also the size of the payout.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    a part of me thinks that if you sue someone is dead, you're implying that you ended up worse off than that person. which he didn't.
    The guy who lived may disagree with you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    genuine question,

    i'm in a taxi, we crash in fog. i survive but taxi driver dies. can i sue the taxi drivers estate and the taxi company?


    the fact that it's a helicopter is distorting the opinions of the incident and also the size of the payout.

    Do you think that type of think has never happened?


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    As it was settled out of court the full extent of his injuries were not disclosed. But i can tell you have does have serious injuries. As has already been pointed out he sued the estate who will now in turn sue the insurance company for the sum awarded. The dead mans family wont be out of pocket. All the defendents admitted liability and Mike is still on good terms with all the defendents

    Having visited Mike in hospital shortly after the accident and having seeing what he and his family have had to go through over the last four years and knowing what he will have to go through over the next number of years i can tell you he deserved every single penny.

    Fair enough, I jumped to conclusions that the family would be out of pocket.
    Wasn't aware he had serious problems/injuries due to the accident.
    No disrespect to the man was intended ,and I apoligise for my previous comment.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    genuine question,

    i'm in a taxi, we crash in fog. i survive but taxi driver dies. can i sue the taxi drivers estate and the taxi company?


    the fact that it's a helicopter is distorting the opinions of the incident and also the size of the payout.
    If someone crashes into you, in fog, you suffer minor injuries while they break every bone in their body. Would you not sue because they were worse off?


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you think that type of think has never happened?
    If someone crashes into you, in fog, you suffer minor injuries while they break every bone in their body. Would you not sue because they were worse off?

    don't get me wrong, i do think he is entitled to lost wages and some payment for having to go through the incident.
    but in my opinion, these massive payments are only justified if a person is incapacitated or worse.

    i am merely arguing 1. the size of the payment and 2. bringing more pain on the pilots family.


    edit: i think we're forgetting how much a million euro is. my life is dominated by a 5k debt so the idea of 200 times that seems unbelievable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭xt40


    i just had a read of the accident report

    for anyone who's interested, it is very detailed and can be read here
    http://www.aaiu.ie/upload/general/8253-0.PDF

    here are the facts as i see them
    helicopter was 100% airworthy
    pilot held both irish and us licences

    aaib synopsis
    The helicopter was on a Visual Flight Rules (VFR) flight from New Ross, Co. Wexford,
    to its base near Galway Airport. En route, it entered an area of rising terrain and low
    cloud base, near Derrybrien, Co Galway. Radar tracking indicates that the helicopter
    slowed down, and then made a sharp turn before disappearing off the screen. The
    helicopter then suffered an in-flight collision with terrain directly after the loss of radar
    contact. A passenger died at the scene and the pilot died later in hospital. Another
    passenger survived with serious injuries. The probable cause was the pilot’s loss of
    spatial orientation resulting from inadequate visual reference with the ground due to
    limited visibility. The Report makes two Safety Recommendations.

    compo mans account

    The surviving front seat passenger did not initially have any recall of the accident
    sequence. However with the passage of time he was able to recall some details of the
    events leading to the accident. He stated that himself, the pilot and the other passenger
    had gone out for the evening after their arrival in the Waterford area the day before the
    accident. He and the other passenger had a few drinks but the pilot did not. They all
    retired to bed between 2 and 3 AM. The following morning, as they left Waterford, the
    weather was clear and the flight was uneventful. Suddenly the helicopter entered cloud.
    He stated that he had not noticed any clouds in front of them and he was unsure of how
    long they were in cloud before the crash. He went on to state: “We seemed to hit
    something and I saw XXX (the pilot) struggling with the controls, I remember that we
    went chopping through trees before coming to an abrupt halt”. At this point he became
    unconscious. He later regained consciousness but was in a confused state. He recalls
    asking the pilot what happened and he replied: “What do you think happened?”. He later
    stated that he did not know what the pilot meant by this remark.
    ******************************************************************
    it seems they suddenly entered cloud and the pilot probably continued following a gps course and as the ground was rising they hit trees.




    helicopters are lethally dangerous and those robinsons are widely regarded as death traps
    people flying in them either as passengers or crew should have their own personal insurance. its wrong that when it goes wrong, the system allows them to sue all around them
    i dont think that guy should have been allowed to sue anyone in this case (other than maybe god) and certainly should not have walked away as a millionaire.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    well said xt40


  • Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He nearly died. He deserves compo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭xt40


    Jay D wrote: »
    He nearly died. He deserves compo.

    whose fault do you think it was thet he "nearly died"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    xt40 wrote: »
    whose fault do you think it was thet he "nearly died"

    An air accident unit found the cause of the accident to be pilot error and the case was before the court for assessment only, liability having been admitted by all defendants, he added.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    "I sue dead people"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 monkey08mjoyce


    know someone who knows him and hes fully repaired now - not too seriously injured to look at him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,652 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    i think it's unfortunate to meet thick fog but that's life.. he's alive and well. how does a sum of money help him??!?!

    i must be missing something here in my drunkness
    Yes you are. An 'e'...


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