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chopperbyrne · 18-06-2009 12:27AM

deanodrummer wrote: »

Sometimes it seems like people say he's the best of all time by default or something though.

He's not even top five for me.

Hogan is undisputed king, with Austin pushing him close.

After that comes your pick of Shawn, Savage, Steamboat, DiBiase, Rock, Angle and Bret.

*This only includes primarily American based wrestlers.

ShawnRaven · 18-06-2009 12:31AM

deanodrummer wrote: »

I actually don't mind Valentine's that much. At least he doesn't do a full-on walk before falling on his mush.

I know what you mean about formulas but watching them all in a row it really stands out. I would actually prefer to watch Bret or Austin or HBK than Flair. He had some amazing matches though, and the one at WrestleWar with Steamboat is prob the best I've ever seen. Sometimes it seems like people say he's the best of all time by default or something though.

You must have really hated the Macho Madness VHS if you ever saw it, especially with all the Savage/DiBiase matches on it.

Agreed on Wrestlewar 89, their best match out of the three, although Chi Town Rumble comes very close.

rossie1977 · 18-06-2009 12:31AM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

He's not even top five for me.

Hogan is undisputed king, with Austin pushing him close.

After that comes your pick of Shawn, Savage, Steamboat, DiBiase, Rock, Angle and Bret.

*This only includes primarily American based wrestlers.

how is your ranking system worked??

you have great workers in along with great entertainers, seems a strange mixture

deanodrummer · 18-06-2009 12:32AM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

He's not even top five for me.

Hogan is undisputed king, with Austin pushing him close.

After that comes your pick of Shawn, Savage, Steamboat, DiBiase, Rock, Angle and Bret.

*This only includes primarily American based wrestlers.

I only really follow US wrestling too.

Hogan? Really?

Rjd2 · 18-06-2009 12:33AM

Machismo Fan wrote: »

And what's worse is that they brought in Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Bischoff, Flair and Steiner at a later stage anyway.

Honestly if they were involved in the invasion angle with the WWE main eventers could you imagine the insane amount of politics that Vince would have had to deal with?!
The invasion angle was a failure but it did give us one of Heyman's most memorable moments, his semi shoot on Vince...

ShawnRaven · 18-06-2009 12:35AM

Ah yes the infamous "shoot" that wasn't a shoot at all, it was all scripted from the word go. It was as much of a shoot as Russo's "shoot" at Bash At The Beach 2000.
The ECW marks ate it up though.

Rjd2 · 18-06-2009 12:52AM

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Flairs run from 2002-2008 is often considered a nostalgia trip in the minds of old school fans, however he was able to make it more than that, but not always. His matches are very much the same formula, but thats what puts asses in the seats, draws buys, sells tickets, etc.

I rewatched his TLC match with Edge the other day and it is still bloody awesome, easily apart from the Mania match last year, Flair's best match in the last five years.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Ah yes the infamous "shoot" that wasn't a shoot at all, it was all scripted from the word go. It was as much of a shoot as Russo's "shoot" at Bash At The Beach 2000.
The ECW marks ate it up though.

Yeah I knew that but it was still awesome stuff and done a good job in hyping what turned out to be a very ordinary PPV in the end.

Machismo Fan · 18-06-2009 12:55AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Was his TLC match with Edge on that?, because it is the best match he done in the last five years outside the Mania match with Michaels.

Nope, it's on their Ladder match DVD so that's probably why, they tend to avoid repeating matches on their DVD's where possible.

ShawnRaven · 18-06-2009 01:02AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

I rewatched his TLC match with Edge the other day and it is still bloody awesome, easily apart from the Mania match last year, Flair's best match in the last five years.

I still can't believe that was a year ago now. I still rate his matches with HHH over his one with HBK last year.

Yeah I knew that but it was still awesome stuff and done a good job in hyping what turned out to be a very ordinary PPV in the end.

Yeah, it was well done, obviously as people still talk about it to this day, while Russo's BATB "shoot" was somewhat forgettable.

flahavaj · 11-07-2009 11:13AM

Watched Chi Town Rumble from 1989 last night. I was blown away by how good it was top to bottom. This is theb kinda wrestling I can watch all night: good workers all over the card, long matches, no bullsh*t backstage crap and great strong promos the whole way throught. The NWA roster was unreal at that stage: Michael Hayes, young Sting and Luger, Steiners, Road Warriors, Steve Williams, Mike Rotundo, Barry Windham, Flair, Steamboat. Pure quality.

michael.etc... · 11-07-2009 12:58PM

^^^
I've never watched that whole card, but it does look awesome, like much of their stuff about then. It's a shame that we probably will never get them as tagged classic style re-releases.

flahavaj · 14-07-2009 02:19PM

michael.etc... wrote: »

^^^
I've never watched that whole card, but it does look awesome, like much of their stuff about then. It's a shame that we probably will never get them as tagged classic style re-releases.

It was incredible, such a good show top to bottom. Real nice VQ as well. Watching NWA TV from June 89. God be with the days of an unreal tag division, great promos, emphasis on the importance of World Titles and simple booking. Blows away 80's WWF any day of the week. Samoan Swat Team must be one of the most underrated teams I'v seen in a long long time. And the Road Warriors coming out to Black Sabbath is pure mark out stuff.

flahavaj · 15-07-2009 12:10PM

Watched Starrcade 96 there last night as well. Really, really good undercard with Ultimo Dragon/ Dean Malenko and Rey/Liger as well as Benoit/Jarrett and Eddy Guerrero/DDP all above average (the cruiser matches were really great). Then of course the geat opening half makes way for the usual NWO main event shenanigans. Luger/The Giant wasn't bad, with both guys still in semi decent shape before they declined. Hall/Nash Vs Meng/Barbarian was a nothing match with the Outsiders having the exact same match they had for a couple of years with everyone. The Main Event was Hogan Vs Roddy Piper about a decade after it could have been any good. Credit to WCW they really gave it a big matche feel and it actually felt like a big event. Match itself was the usual Hogan fare, with plenty run ins at the end, though I was shocked that Piper got the reasonably clean win.

All in all definitely worth look for the great undercard and the curiousity value of the main event. Turn the sound off though, between Dusty Rhodes' constant cock-ups and a jaded, totally disinterested Bobby Heenan who barely makes an effort, it truly is hard on the aul lugs.

flahavaj · 15-07-2009 06:22PM

Starrcade 83 next. Decent show. the main thing that struck me is the quaity of promos, virtually everyone on the show cuts a really good live promo. How many of the current roster could do the same I wonder?

The main matches are "Charlie Brown"(Jimmy Valiant under a mask) Vs Great Kabuki for the TV title. Kabuki is like a predecessor to Great Muta and has some very handy offence for 1983. Greg Valentine Vs Roddy Piper in a dog Collar match is next for the US Title. Really good brawl, with some great psychology invloving a previous injury to Piper's ear. Piper's post match promo is something else as well. Gerald/Jack Brisco Vs Ricky Steamboat/Jay Youngblood is up for the tag titles. Excellent match, Stemboat/Youngblood have some awesome offence for the time period and made me want to see more of their stuff. the Main is Flair Vs Harley race in a cage, the old "Flair for the Gold" storyline. What struck me the most is how important they made the match seem, with interviews with the rest of the roster giving their views throughout the show and the emphasis completely on the importance of the belt. Really good match and the aftermatch with Flair covered in blood, on a live mic in the cage is just brilliant.

All in all a good show, worth a look to see guys like Piper, Steamboat and Flair in their pomp.

flahavaj · 18-07-2009 11:33AM

Bash at the Beach 96.

Not a very good show at all, apart from the historical signifigance of the Main Event. The opener Rey Vs Psicosis is awesome, just like every time they step ion the ring. Is Psicosis the most insane bumper of all time? Love how he never held back on a suicide dive in his life, guardrail or no guardrail. The finish is absolutely spectaclar as Rey reverses a top rop Splash Mountain driver into a rana. The kinda spot that only Rey could be guaranteed to hit cleanly on the big stage and confirms his staus as the greatest high flyer of all time.

Rest of the undercard is muck, rubbish like Big Boss Man vs John Tenta Mongo McMichael Vs Powerplant jobber and Jim Duggan vs DDP have no place on PPV. Flair vs Konnan is passable for the US title, while Dean Malenko works his balls off the drag a decent little match outa Disco Inferno. Nasty Boys vs Public Enemy is as sh*tty an ECW style brawl you'll ever see., made entertaining by a table that refuses to break no matter how hard they bounce into it. Entertaining, but in a bad way.:pac:

The Main Event is surprisingly well booked, with the Luger injury, the suspicion that Sting causing it leads to, and the huge huge surprise that Hogan's turn must have caused at the time. It doesn't help of course that Heenan blurts out "but which side is he on" as Hogan runs out, totally killing the moment. But as I say, at the time it must have been sensational to witness and the crowd reaction, filling the ring with rubbish is great. Not sure why Hogan kept calling it the New World Organisation though.:pac:

Worth hunting down the Main Event on you tube or something for the historical value of the beginning of the NWO, but the undercard is absolute scutter. Avoid.

gimmick · 18-07-2009 06:03PM

Isn't that Bash At The Beach 96??

flahavaj · 18-07-2009 06:05PM

gimmick wrote: »

Isn't that Bash At The Beach 96??

Tis too, cheers. I wouldn't be the best of a Saturday morning. A boy the Munster Mafia, always got each others' back bai.:pac:

ScumdogV2 · 31-07-2009 12:18AM

I was searching through my recently burnt DVD's there today, looking for NJPW to review for the Japanese wrestling thread. I stumbled across WCW Uncensored 1997 and decided to watch that instead. Sorry Flahavaj.

Underwhelming so far. I'm now on Mortis vs Glacier in a Martial Arts match. What fun. On the plus side, there was a belting Ultimo Dragon/Psychosis match earlier on.

flahavaj · 31-07-2009 12:21AM

ScumdogV2 wrote: »

I was searching through my recently burnt DVD's there today, looking for NJPW to review for the Japanese wrestling thread. I stumbled across WCW Uncensored 1997 and decided to watch that instead. Sorry Flahavaj.

Underwhelming so far. I'm now on Mortis vs Glacier in a Martial Arts match. What fun. On the plus side, there was a belting Ultimo Dragon/Psychosis match earlier on.

Thats all you deserve.:pac:

ScumdogV2 · 31-07-2009 12:26AM

Showing footage now of Hall and Nash running The Steiners off the road . . .? Which can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpffXDuo-pU

Scotty Riggs VS Buff Bagwell now. Give me strength.

flahavaj · 31-07-2009 12:28AM

ScumdogV2 wrote: »

Showing footage now of Hall and Nash running The Steiners off the road . . .? Which can be viewed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpffXDuo-pU

Scotty Riggs VS Buff Bagwell now. Give me strength.

Bat that New Japan show doesn't look half bad now bai!:pac:

Jolt2007 · 31-07-2009 12:38AM

Watched the last WWE Vintage Collection episode, been great watching the cruiserweights the past few weeks. Today, my draft boy (the others that took park in the draft: is it just me or do you mark out a little more now for the guys on your roster?) The Great Sasuke v Taka Michinoku, Rey Misterio Jr v Eddie Guerrero and Tajiri v X-Pac.

ScumdogV2 · 31-07-2009 12:38AM

flahavaj wrote: »

Bat that New Japan show doesn't look half bad now bai!:pac:

I didn't realise it was a strap match, so watching Bagwell getting whipped to hell made me smile.

Also, Dusty Rhodes was a fairly racist commentator wasn't he? Strangely enough, I've never noticed it before now.

ScumdogV2 · 31-07-2009 12:41AM

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Watched the last WWE Vintage Collection episode, been great watching the cruiserweights the past few weeks. Today, my draft boy (the others that took park in the draft: is it just me or do you mark out a little more now for the guys on your roster?) The Great Sasuke v Taka Michinoku, Rey Misterio Jr v Eddie Guerrero and Tajiri v X-Pac.

I absolutely love this match! I fondly remember watching this at the time and being completely blown away. It was so different to what was on WWE TV at the time. My 10 year old eyes were stunned!

flahavaj · 31-07-2009 12:41AM

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Watched the last WWE Vintage Collection episode, been great watching the cruiserweights the past few weeks. Today, my draft boy (the others that took park in the draft: is it just me or do you mark out a little more now for the guys on your roster?) The Great Sasuke v Taka Michinoku, Rey Misterio Jr v Eddie Guerrero and Tajiri v X-Pac.

Haha, I've actually actively sought out Fabulous Freebirds and El Hijo del Santo Comps and enjoyed them hugely on the back of my research! They all hold a special place in my heart now.:pac:

That Rey/Eddie match is close to perfection. Phenomenal stuff.

flahavaj · 31-07-2009 12:43AM

ScumdogV2 wrote: »

Also, Dusty Rhodes was a fairly racist commentator wasn't he? Strangely enough, I've never noticed it before now.

Never noticed specifically the racist thing, but he was f*cking sh*te! Absolutely horrible, added nothing whatsoever to the production, in fact he made it worse. Hard to understand how such a genius talker as a wrestler could be such an inept commentator. He managed to ruin the Hogan turn to join the NWO before it even happened.:mad:

ScumdogV2 · 31-07-2009 12:59AM

flahavaj wrote: »

Never noticed specifically the racist thing, but he was f*cking sh*te! Absolutely horrible, added nothing whatsoever to the production, in fact he made it worse. Hard to understand how such a genius talker as a wrestler could be such an inept commentator. He managed to ruin the Hogan turn to join the NWO before it even happened.:mad:

To be fair, I thought he was a decent colour man. Not the worst there's been.

Public Enemy VS Harlem Heat now in a street fight. Not as bad as I was expecting.

flahavaj · 31-07-2009 01:01AM

ScumdogV2 wrote: »

To be fair, I thought he was a decent colour man. Not the worst there's been.

Public Enemy VS Harlem Heat now in a street fight. Not as bad as I was expecting.

God I never liked Dusty's commentary. Maybe the three man WCW team was too much of a clusterf*ck.

Did Public Enemy ever wrestle a straight match in WCW? They only ever seemed to do hardcore brawls. Probably for the best.:pac:

ScumdogV2 · 31-07-2009 01:06AM

flahavaj wrote: »

God I never liked Dusty's commentary. Maybe the three man WCW team was too much of a clusterf*ck.

Did Public Enemy ever wrestle a straight match in WCW? They only ever seemed to do hardcore brawls. Probably for the best.:pac:

Probably right about WCW's commentary team. I've never liked a three man announce team. In amongst Tony Schiavone, an out of touch Bobby Heenan and Dusty Rhodes, I always thought Mike Tenay was a teriffic announcer and he never got enough praise in WCW.

Public enemy were better off brawling, god love 'em. Anything else and they'd be way out of their depth.

flahavaj · 31-07-2009 01:09AM

ScumdogV2 wrote: »

Probably right about WCW's commentary team. I've never liked a three man announce team. In amongst Tony Schiavone, an out of touch Bobby Heenan and Dusty Rhodes, I always thought Mike Tenay was a teriffic announcer and he never got enough praise in WCW.

Public enemy were better off brawling, god love 'em. Anything else and they'd be way out of their depth.

Tenay was the shining light. I loved how he'd get all smarky when he was talking about the lucha or puro guys.

Heenan was phoning it in SO badly in WCW, his heart wasn't in it at all.

I actually think Schiavione gets too much criticism, he wasn't THAT bad.

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