Dubs overhyped

corny · 14-06-2009 01:58AM

keane2097 wrote: »

Can I assume your towering intellect is displayed fully in this post?

No but you can assume my lack of interest in debating with the feeble minded is displayed fully though.

mink_man · 29-06-2009 01:51AM

his point exactly!

Kinetic^ · 29-06-2009 02:23AM

walshb wrote: »

One thing Dublin are and that is consistent. 17 freaking wides yesterday:)

I don't know how some fans don't get tired supporting
that crap!

Quite consistent again today.

premierstone · 29-06-2009 10:36AM

Kinetic^ wrote: »

Quite consistent again today.

Yes in fairness they do consistently beat sh*te teams in the weakest provincial championship in football and nearly on a par with the ulster hurling championship

Pride Fighter · 29-06-2009 09:07PM

premierstone wrote: »

Yes in fairness they do consistently beat sh*te teams in the weakest provincial championship in football and nearly on a par with the ulster hurling championship

The myth of Leinster being the weakest province is just that, a myth. Connacht is far weaker as is Munster. Ulster is the only genuine strong province, all the others are weaker.

LeoB · 29-06-2009 11:22PM

premierstone wrote: »

Yes in fairness they do consistently beat sh*te teams in the weakest provincial championship in football and nearly on a par with the ulster hurling championship

Not so sure about this, Connacht is weaker, Munster is weaker and Ulster is probably the strongest but look at what we get out of Ulster games. Negative comments about pulling and dragging and over physical games.

Premierstone, I am not attacking you, As for population issue, If you look closely at Dublin there are actually quite large pockets where there is little or no G.A.A played. I dont know the percentages but I would say considering the size/population of Dublin it has a smaller playing pool than most counties altough great work is being done to increase numbers at all levels.

As for pillar, he done a good job in my opinion. He brought Dublin on a level and cemented them as the top county in the province. I think the big error he made was simply not doing what Gilroy has done and thats throwing in players on form.

I agree fully Keaney and Ryan would be more of an asset to the Hurlers. As for Jason Sherlock, sit back and watch him. I think he is just marvellous to watch. His shooting is not the best altough he hit 6 points against Westmeath but he is a very intelligent footballer and a great team player. I think because of what Gilroy has done Dublin could close gap considerably on Kerry, Tyrone and Cork

My club whic is fairly rural has Soccer camps, Cricket camps, basketball camps to name but a few to contend with. The competition is fierce. There are Bandwagon supporters everywhere and I hate them, well I dislike them. If tickets were taken back from ticketmaster and only given out through clubs we would see less of them.

mink_man · 29-06-2009 11:27PM

every province has bad counties!

yerayeah · 29-06-2009 11:38PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

The myth of Leinster being the weakest province is just that, a myth. Connacht is far weaker as is Munster. Ulster is the only genuine strong province, all the others are weaker.

I'll give you Connaught but I think Munster is stronger than Leinster. Quality over quantity!

Munster has 2 of the 3 teams with serious all Ireland aspirations, along with Tipp and especially Limerick who can be very tricky opponents. Whereas in Leinster, Kildare are looking good this year but they wouldn't seriously trouble a top side and Dublin did look very impressive yesterday but I can't remember seeing an intercounty as wretched as Westmeath. Other than that there is not a lot... A lot of nice footballing teams who won't stand up to August/September intensity.

bricky10 · 30-06-2009 12:58AM

ah now, Galway have won to all irelands since 1998, Dublin have won nothing from 2000+. Leinster is the worst province for football and that is coming from a Kildare man BUT with the rise of some teams in Leinster like Kildare, things may change.

Kildare for Leinster 09!!!

premierstone · 30-06-2009 10:56AM

omg I refuse to discuss football with anyone who doesnt realise that leinster football is the weakest by a distance.

This however is not Dublins fault and they are streets ahead of the rest but can anyone honestly come on here and tell me that they would have won 3 or 4 consecutive provincial titles in any other province when Kerry, Tyrone and Galway cant do it in their respective provinces

Drummerboy2 · 30-06-2009 11:06AM

yerayeah wrote: »

I'll give you Connaught but I think Munster is stronger than Leinster. Quality over quantity!

Munster has 2 of the 3 teams with serious all Ireland aspirations, along with Tipp and especially Limerick who can be very tricky opponents. Whereas in Leinster, Kildare are looking good this year but they wouldn't seriously trouble a top side and Dublin did look very impressive yesterday but I can't remember seeing an intercounty as wretched as Westmeath. Other than that there is not a lot... A lot of nice footballing teams who won't stand up to August/September intensity.

You are taking the piss now! Kerry obviously, Cork possibly but where you get a third team from I don't know. Laughable. People also forget Wexford got to a semifinal last year. Dublin were beaten by the eventual winners in the quarterfinal.

premierstone · 30-06-2009 11:15AM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

You are taking the piss now! Kerry obviously, Cork possibly but where you get a third team from I don't know. Laughable. People also forget Wexford got to a semifinal last year. Dublin were beaten by the eventual winners in the quarterfinal.

So if Cork is ''possibly'' that to me would mean that there isnt a single contender in Leinster ffs man wake up Cork would destroy anyteam in Leinster outside of Dublin and would be marginal favourites agaiinst Dublin aswell.

So tell me who do you regard as the third best team in Leinster just for interest like??

baztard · 30-06-2009 11:24AM

Matt Cooper on TV3 giving a synopsis before an ad break, after the Dublin v. Westmeath match finished...

"Dublin have beaten Westmeath, but are they good enough to win the All Ireland"

Eh you forgot about the Leinster final there Matt, and the AI backdoor, quarter and semi finals... hype hype hype!!!

I've noticed the only people who really over hype the dubs are the dub newspapers and the rag newspapers (Evening Herarld, Sun etc) and the mass of bandwagon supporters that get going around this time of year.

The real fans know the true potential of the team I'm sure. Which at this stage is impossible to tell.

dcr22B · 30-06-2009 11:35AM

baztard wrote: »

The real fans know the true potential of the team I'm sure. Which at this stage is impossible to tell.

Hurray, a sensible post.

The diehard fans know that there are still issues with the team especially the FB line but I've admired Gilroy's guts this year and I really feel we have a good nucleus of 20-22 players that can perform for us either at the start of a game or if brought in as a replacement but until we start beating the Tyrones, Kerrys and Corks at the business end of the season, it just won't be good enough.

I tend to ignore this hype machine, the talking is done during 70 minutes on the pitch and we've done well so far albeit against shockingly limited opposition.

Roll on the Flourbags!

Drummerboy2 · 30-06-2009 12:24PM

premierstone wrote: »

So if Cork is ''possibly'' that to me would mean that there isnt a single contender in Leinster ffs man wake up Cork would destroy anyteam in Leinster outside of Dublin and would be marginal favourites agaiinst Dublin aswell.

So tell me who do you regard as the third best team in Leinster just for interest like??

I don't expect Dublin to win the Alll-Ireland. They are on a par with Cork. Think Kerry will get to the final at least. But I dont see any other Munster team who could come within an asses roar to Croke Park next September. You tell me. Limerick, Tip, Waterford or Clare. Get the blinkers off!! To suggest they could win it is bizarre.

The third best team in Leinster is probably Meath, Wexford or Laois. None of these team are up to much but I reckon they are stronger than the four Munster also rans.

premierstone · 30-06-2009 12:55PM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

I don't expect Dublin to win the Alll-Ireland. They are on a par with Cork. Think Kerry will get to the final at least. But I dont see any other Munster team who could come within an asses roar to Croke Park next September. You tell me. Limerick, Tip, Waterford or Clare. Get the blinkers off!! To suggest they could win it is bizarre.

The third best team in Leinster is probably Meath, Wexford or Laois. None of these team are up to much but I reckon they are stronger than the four Munster also rans.

Yes they put up a valiant effort against Limerick (a Munster also ran according to yourself) last year :rolleyes:

Drummerboy2 · 30-06-2009 01:38PM

premierstone wrote: »

Yes they put up a valiant effort against Limerick (a Munster also ran according to yourself) last year :rolleyes:

One swallow doesn't make a summer, besides Wexford reached the all Ireland semis last year, when was the last time any Munster team besides the big 2 reach the semis.

premierstone · 30-06-2009 01:55PM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

One swallow doesn't make a summer, besides Wexford reached the all Ireland semis last year, when was the last time any Munster team besides the big 2 reach the semis.

It was in the early to mid nineties cant remember the exact year 92 I think open to correction though. And that is my point Drummer in Munster there is a ''big two'' in Leinster there is one team - and even they havent won Sam for 14 years now.

Drummerboy2 · 30-06-2009 01:58PM

Kildare are a very decent team at the moment. Meath are at an all time low over the last five years, but I would expect that to be rectified in the near future. Cork have done nothing outside Munster for a long time. They look impressive this year I'll give you that. But to say that Munster football is infinitely superior to Leinster is wrong in my opinion.

premierstone · 30-06-2009 03:04PM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

Kildare are a very decent team at the moment. Meath are at an all time low over the last five years, but I would expect that to be rectified in the near future. Cork have done nothing outside Munster for a long time. They look impressive this year I'll give you that. But to say that Munster football is infinitely superior to Leinster is wrong in my opinion.

This makes no sense tbh, you say that Cork have achieved nothing outside of Munster, which firstly I dont agree with and secondly what has any leinster team achieved outside of Leinster. Kildare have beaten Laois and Offaly - hardly puts them anywhere near Cork.

So Kerry are no.1 in munster and are far superior to Dublin. Cork are second in Munster and are far superior to Kildare. Limerick are third in Munster and are at least level with Meath, Wexford and Laois.

Seriously am I missing something here :rolleyes:

Lemlin · 30-06-2009 03:31PM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

Kildare are a very decent team at the moment. Meath are at an all time low over the last five years, but I would expect that to be rectified in the near future. Cork have done nothing outside Munster for a long time. They look impressive this year I'll give you that. But to say that Munster football is infinitely superior to Leinster is wrong in my opinion.

I've missed most of this but I'd have to back up premierstone. There's no questioning IMO that Munster football is infinitely superior to Leinster football over the past decade or so, and particularly in recent years.

Kerry have won All-Irelands and Cork have regularly made semi-finals and also a final. Limerick also had a decent enough run last year. You have to remember too that Munster football is only 6 teams and Leinster football is 12. For Munster to have two stand out teams is massive. Leinster hasn't had two stand out teams performing well in consecutive years in a long time.

This is epitomised by the fact that a 'good' but not brilliant Dublin team have won the Leinster Championship continually in recent years. They've won it without much hassle most years but have made little or no impact outside it. If anything, the lack of quality in Leinster has hurt Dublin in that they've never had a decent challenge to really test themselves before the quarters or semis.

Even back when Westmeath and Laois won the Leinster championship (in 2003 and 2004), they then limped out of it. I can't remember who beat Laois in 2003 but I know Derry, a second rate Ulster team at the time, knocked out Westmeath in 2004.

Het-Field · 30-06-2009 03:56PM

TBH, I think the overall standard of football (vis-a-vis it's) competitive edge has dimished terribly over the past number of years. There have been very few winners outside of the major counties, in any provincial championship. Since 2000 the competitive edge has simply flitted away, and this has been reflected in the Tyrone/Kerry dominance of the past 9 seasons

In the 1990s, Ulster produced three All Ireland Teams in Donegal, Down and Derry, a strong runner up in Tyrone, a decent Cavan team in 1997, while Armagh made their frist break through in 1999.

In Leinster, Dublin dominated in the first half of the decade, however, Meath, Kildare, and Offaly all had their respective days, with Meath winning two titles in the process.

Connaught and Munster had a much stronger edge, and produced a suprise or two with the likes of Leitrim and Clare taking a provincial title each. Since then (with the exception of the 2007 Sligo victory), the provinces have been dominated by one team in Munster (with Cork making in roads recently), and Mayo and Galway.

Since then we have seen Leinster become a competitive wasteland, Munster remains a Cork/Kerry scenario, while Connaught has seen the removal of Leitrim, Sligo, and Roscommon as any from of opposition. Ulster remains competitive, but most of the teams are a long way behind Tyrone (who even had their own lull between 2006-2008)

I realise that it is a case of "swings and roundabouts", and naturally, there will always be a small amount of teams who are naturally going to be top five (Tyrone,Kerry,Cork,Dublin and Galway/Mayo) at any given time, however,I live in hope that from 2010 onwards, the championship will start becoming more competitive.

Lemlin · 30-06-2009 04:18PM

Het-Field wrote: »

TBH, I think the overall standard of football (vis-a-vis it's) competitive edge has dimished terribly over the past number of years. There have been very few winners outside of the major counties, in any provincial championship. Since 2000 the competitive edge has simply flitted away, and this has been reflected in the Tyrone/Kerry dominance of the past 9 seasons

In the 1990s, Ulster produced three All Ireland Teams in Donegal, Down and Derry, a strong runner up in Tyrone, a decent Cavan team in 1997, while Armagh made their frist break through in 1999.

In Leinster, Dublin dominated in the first half of the decade, however, Meath, Kildare, and Offaly all had their respective days, with Meath winning two titles in the process.

Connaught and Munster had a much stronger edge, and produced a suprise or two with the likes of Leitrim and Clare taking a provincial title each. Since then (with the exception of the 2007 Sligo victory), the provinces have been dominated by one team in Munster (with Cork making in roads recently), and Mayo and Galway.

Since then we have seen Leinster become a competitive wasteland, Munster remains a Cork/Kerry scenario, while Connaught has seen the removal of Leitrim, Sligo, and Roscommon as any from of opposition. Ulster remains competitive, but most of the teams are a long way behind Tyrone (who even had their own lull between 2006-2008)

I realise that it is a case of "swings and roundabouts", and naturally, there will always be a small amount of teams who are naturally going to be top five (Tyrone,Kerry,Cork,Dublin and Galway/Mayo) at any given time, however,I live in hope that from 2010 onwards, the championship will start becoming more competitive.

There's a reason though that the Championship is continually being won by a select group of teams: the qualifers. Before, the bigger teams would have been caught on the hop once and been out of the championship. The chance of catching a side on the hop twice is minimal though. I'm not sure of the stats but a large number of the All-Ireland champions over the last number of years have come through the qualifers.

That's why I think the championship needs to change. The qualifers have now diminished the provincial championships so I think a league format would be best. Get rid of the National League and just have the championship as a league format over the Summer. 4 divisions of eight teams. Games could be played at neutral venues or, if you wanted to go all out, each team could have a home and then away game. That'd still only be 14 games for each team.

It'd also guarantee some top games that teams take seriously. For example, in any one season, Dublin would be playing the likes of Cork, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Armagh and Derry (or whoever you place the top eight as). They could even be playing them twice and it'd lead to some great games.

Pride Fighter · 30-06-2009 04:46PM

Lemlin wrote: »

There's a reason though that the Championship is continually being won by a select group of teams: the qualifers. Before, the bigger teams would have been caught on the hop once and been out of the championship. The chance of catching a side on the hop twice is minimal though. I'm not sure of the stats but a large number of the All-Ireland champions over the last number of years have come through the qualifers.

That's why I think the championship needs to change. The qualifers have now diminished the provincial championships so I think a league format would be best. Get rid of the National League and just have the championship as a league format over the Summer. 4 divisions of eight teams. Games could be played at neutral venues or, if you wanted to go all out, each team could have a home and then away game. That'd still only be 14 games for each team.

It'd also guarantee some top games that teams take seriously. For example, in any one season, Dublin would be playing the likes of Cork, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Armagh and Derry (or whoever you place the top eight as). They could even be playing them twice and it'd lead to some great games.

I'd agree with this. But disbanding the provincial titles means the GAA loses a little something. Look at the GAA write off sticky, there is an article there which retains the provincial championships but puts them into a League format as well.

K-9 · 30-06-2009 04:57PM

Lemlin wrote: »

Even back when Westmeath and Laois won the Leinster championship (in 2003 and 2004), they then limped out of it. I can't remember who beat Laois in 2003 but I know Derry, a second rate Ulster team at the time, knocked out Westmeath in 2004.

It was Armagh.

Lemlin wrote: »

There's a reason though that the Championship is continually being won by a select group of teams: the qualifers. Before, the bigger teams would have been caught on the hop once and been out of the championship. The chance of catching a side on the hop twice is minimal though. I'm not sure of the stats but a large number of the All-Ireland champions over the last number of years have come through the qualifers.

That's why I think the championship needs to change. The qualifers have now diminished the provincial championships so I think a league format would be best. Get rid of the National League and just have the championship as a league format over the Summer. 4 divisions of eight teams. Games could be played at neutral venues or, if you wanted to go all out, each team could have a home and then away game. That'd still only be 14 games for each team.

It'd also guarantee some top games that teams take seriously. For example, in any one season, Dublin would be playing the likes of Cork, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, Armagh and Derry (or whoever you place the top eight as). They could even be playing them twice and it'd lead to some great games.

A League system would favour the top counties even more. Usually, the 2 top teams will come through, especially if this is a Championship replacement.

I think the Qualifiers is a good balance between the two, though it could be tweaked. You can still get your shocks, like Donegal in the Championship and the Qualifiers like Wexford last year. 18 teams of the top of my head have got to Q/F's this decade, teams like Fermanagh and Sligo.

Drummerboy2 · 30-06-2009 04:57PM

premierstone wrote: »

This makes no sense tbh, you say that Cork have achieved nothing outside of Munster, which firstly I dont agree with and secondly what has any leinster team achieved outside of Leinster. Kildare have beaten Laois and Offaly - hardly puts them anywhere near Cork.

So Kerry are no.1 in munster and are far superior to Dublin. Cork are second in Munster and are far superior to Kildare. Limerick are third in Munster and are at least level with Meath, Wexford and Laois.

Seriously am I missing something here :rolleyes:

You seem to forget that Cork beat Kerry last year in Munster and were hammered in Croke Park by Kerry. Can't remember the last time them won anything. So really the only real power in Munster up to this year has been Kerry.

But getting back to your original point, you stated that a third Munster team have a chance of winning an all Ireland. What do you base that on?

Meath Dublin and Wexford have all reached semi finals in the last four or five years, from the supposedly weakest province. Basically, up to this year, apart from Kerry, there has been no difference between the 2 provinces. Its as plain as the nose on your face.

Pride Fighter · 30-06-2009 05:02PM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

You seem to forget that Cork beat Kerry last year in Munster and were hammered in Croke Park by Kerry. Can't remember the last time them won anything. So really the only real power in Munster up to this year has been Kerry.

But getting back to your original point, you stated that a third Munster team have a chance of winning an all Ireland. What do you base that on?

Meath Dublin and Wexford have all reached semi finals in the last four or five years, from the supposedly weakest province. Basically, up to this year, apart from Kerry, there has been no difference. Its as plain as the nose on your face.

Dont forget that Kildare, Westmeath and Laois have also reached the quarter finals in the last 4 or 5 years too. The three you mentioned plus the three I mentioned is 6 counties out of 11, over half of Leinster have reached at least a quarter final in the past few years. Have over half of Munster done this? Half of Connacht? Ulster has. So my original point that Leinster is the second best province seems to stand true, even though the All Ireland well has dried up a bit.

premierstone · 30-06-2009 05:21PM

Drummerboy2 wrote: »

You seem to forget that Cork beat Kerry last year in Munster and were hammered in Croke Park by Kerry. Can't remember the last time them won anything. So really the only real power in Munster up to this year has been Kerry.

But getting back to your original point, you stated that a third Munster team have a chance of winning an all Ireland. What do you base that on?

Meath Dublin and Wexford have all reached semi finals in the last four or five years, from the supposedly weakest province. Basically, up to this year, apart from Kerry, there has been no difference between the 2 provinces. Its as plain as the nose on your face.

Never ever have I stated this please stick to the facts. Two Munster teams have a chance of winning sam and as you conceeded yourself thats two more than Leinster.

You say you cant remeber the last time Cork won anything? Who are the Munster champions? If Leinster football is stronger than Munster and Dublin have 4 in a row titles do you believe that Dublin would win 4 in a row in Munster or Connacht for that matter.

You seem to be takin this as a dig at Dublin its not, its not Dublins fault that they are in an uncompetitive provincial set-up and if anything it is holding back their development significantly imo, take for example the likes of the new FB (basstick or something sorry not sure) and the Corner Back who made he's debut last sunday and Davoren before he's injury these guys end up in an AI quarter Final and they have never played in a competive championship match next thing there playing a Cork/Kerry/Mayo/Galway/Tyrone/Derry team who have come through the qualifiers and had a competitive game in their province.

Gilroy has the makingss of a really nice panel there at the moment but as I said they will arrive at an AI quarter final having played nothing more than friendlies, which is fine if you have a settled experienced team but not when you are trying to mould a new team like Gilroy needed to do.

garbanzo · 30-06-2009 05:35PM

Sorry lads, I don't buy it. This premise is all based on hearsay.

You see it every year. The Dubs win a game and it is the Media who immediately start the worn old line about so-called "people talking about The Dubs winning the All Ireland". It is totally a media creation. No-one I've met has even had the temerity to go there yet. There's been just too much disappointment around The Dubs since the glory of 1995. Yes we can dream about it - and there's nothing wrong with that - but there's no queue of people out there that I can see lining up to put their houses on The Dubs for Sam 2009. . . yet.

Only when we win Leinster and the All-Ireland series proper starts up can we begin to consider this as a real possibility.

corny · 30-06-2009 05:57PM

premierstone wrote: »

This makes no sense tbh, you say that Cork have achieved nothing outside of Munster, which firstly I dont agree with and secondly what has any leinster team achieved outside of Leinster. Kildare have beaten Laois and Offaly - hardly puts them anywhere near Cork.

So Kerry are no.1 in munster and are far superior to Dublin. Cork are second in Munster and are far superior to Kildare. Limerick are third in Munster and are at least level with Meath, Wexford and Laois.

Seriously am I missing something here :rolleyes:

For starters i don't know how anyone can call it the 'Munster Championship'. Its the Cork or Kerry championship. Clare in 92 and Tipp in 1935 were the last 2 occasions Cork or Kerry didn't win it. 1896 was the last time your 'third best team won it'. So to say 'Munster' football is far superior to Leinster football is stretching it in the extreme. A better question would be since when was Munster a competitive championship??

The Leinster and Ulster championships are the only championships that mean anything in the first place.

"Meath Dublin and Wexford have all reached semi finals in the last four or five years, from the supposedly weakest province." When did or when will Limerick or Tipp reach an All Ireland semi?

Dubs overhyped

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