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Do u think aliens exist? hmm

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    I guess there is, it's a guess. :S


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    asdasd wrote: »
    In any case the first dominant species on this planet was never going to be intelligent.

    The Flintstones were as thick as sh1t as well, don't forget.:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    There is most likely other forms of life out there, however, it is very possible that none of it is intelligent, and almost certain that it will never contact us if there is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭well horse


    Yes, they definately exist. All we are, ultimately, is a chemical phenomonon on the face of this planet.

    The idea that such a phenomenon has never arisen blindly on another planet with the correct enviroment etc seems higley unlikely, given the sheer size of the universe.

    And as The Minister says above, it need not be intelligent life as is familiar to us. It could just be some sort of very simple but self-perpetuating bag of chemials that can reproduce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Also it should be remembered that "intelligence" as we see it will not nessacerily lead to a high technology level.

    Most of our own existance has been without the ability to control electricity or build machines. Out of over 100,000 years, we've only been really advancing for about 9,000 and only had signals of the kind that would let others know of our existance for less than a century. It is very possible that other creatures exist, but will not follow our route of discovery.

    Similarly, any creature in the wrong atmosphere (water-dwelling, or with air with the wrong composition), would not be able to discover fire, and so all our innovations would be impossible.

    Also, if you read this wiki article you will see that the conditions nessacery to support our kind of life are very rare and precise.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    so the answer to the thread is:

    Yes.

    And, no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    Also it should be remembered that "intelligence" as we see it will not nessacerily lead to a high technology level.

    Correct, the Enlightenment, and scientific revolution, seems an aberration even in Human history.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Steo46


    I saw one last night on the way home from the pub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

    I'm sh!tting blix right now
    fyp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,537 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    asdasd wrote: »
    we'd see some signal. That is the point of the seti project.

    complete waste of time, scientists are after recently finding out that once signals leave our solar system they become nothing more than indiscernible noise so signals coming from other galaxies or even other solar systems within out galaxy would never get close to reaching earth. unless little green men are living on pluto or saturn we can forget ever receiving signals

    just a few numbers
    *earth is 26,000 light-years from the centre of our own galaxy

    *the nearest star to our solar system is 4.2 light years (just for laughs it would take a conventional rocket approx 90,000 years to travel that distance at a constant speed of 50,000 km an hour)

    *between 200 and 400 billion stars in our tiny galaxy (which measures about 70-100,000 light-years across)

    *there is between 50 and 80 billion galaxies in the known universe


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,185 ✭✭✭asdasd


    complete waste of time, scientists are after recently finding out that once signals leave our solar system they become nothing more than indiscernible noise

    Did someone tell SETI?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    We'll never fully know unfortunately, although I'd love to think there are Lidls and Aldis sprouting up on planets hundreds of lightyears away :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    i think that if they do exist..... it would probly be somthing as small as a single cell organism and wouldnt be nearly as advanced to have flying saucers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Steo46 wrote: »
    I saw one last night on the way home from the pub.

    Sorry. Hate to tell you but that was prob' my mother in law. The horror... the horror...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    complete waste of time, scientists are after recently finding out that once signals leave our solar system they become nothing more than indiscernible noise so signals coming from other galaxies or even other solar systems within out galaxy would never get close to reaching earth. unless little green men are living on Pluto or Saturn we can forget ever receiving signals

    just a few numbers
    *earth is 26,000 light-years from the centre of our own galaxy

    *the nearest star to our solar system is 4.2 light years (just for laughs it would take a conventional rocket approx 90,000 years to travel that distance at a constant speed of 50,000 km an hour)

    *between 200 and 400 billion stars in our tiny galaxy (which measures about 70-100,000 light-years across)

    *there is between 50 and 80 billion galaxies in the known universe

    Quite correct if your still thinking along distance and dimension as humans so far can measure it.
    However if a further more advanced species has/is taking advantage of travel along other lines such as folding dimensional/inner-dimensional travel alone then conventional travel and speeds as WE know them goes out the window.

    Generally speaking, the idea of dimension/hyperspace travel relies on the existence of a separate and adjacent dimension. When activated, the hyper drive shunts the starship into this other dimension, where it can cover vast distances in an amount of time greatly reduced from the time it would take in "normal" space. Once it reaches the point in hyperspace that corresponds to its destination in real space, it re-emerges.
    In other words, some (or all) paths in hyperspace may have a travel-time less than the time it takes to traverse the "shortest-path" in normal space, defined above. The time it takes to travel in hyperspace is measured in the same way time is measured in normal space, unless the hyperspace is discontinuous. For example, the path in hyperspace may not be smooth but a sequence of points, and the time change from jumping from one point to another may be abrupt. In this case, add the time jumps. Some may be positive (jumps to the future), and some negative (jumps to the past), depending on how the hyperspace is defined.


    Explanations of why ships can travel faster than light in hyperspace vary; hyperspace may be smaller than real space and therefore a star ship's propulsion seems to be greatly multiplied, or else the speed of light in hyperspace is not a barrier as it is in real space. Whatever the reasoning, the general effect is that ships travelling in hyperspace seem to have broken the speed of light, appearing at their destinations much more quickly and without the shift in time that the Theory of Relativity would suggest.
    In much science fiction, hyper drive jumps require a considerable amount of planning and calculation, with any error carrying a threat of dire consequences. Therefore, jumps may cover a much shorter distance than would actually be possible so that the navigator can stop to "look around" -- take their bearings, plot their position, and plan the next jump. The time it takes to travel in hyperspace also varies. Travel may be instantaneous or may take hours, days, weeks or more. Some theories state that a route traveled for a long time may continuously stay open.


    A different concept, sometimes also referred to as 'hyperspace' and similarly used to explain FTL travel in fiction, is that the manifold of ordinary three-dimensional space is curved in four or more 'higher' spacial dimensions (a 'hyperspace' in the geometric sense. This curvature causes certain widely separated points in three-dimensional space to nonetheless be 'adjacent' to each other four-dimensionally. Creating an aperture in 4D space (a wormhole) between these locations can allow instantaneous transit between the two locations; a common comparison is that of a folded piece of paper, where a hole punched through two folded sections is more direct than a line drawn between them on the sheet. This idea probably arose out of certain popular descriptions of general relativity and/or Riemannian manifolds, and may be the original form from which later concepts of hyperspace arose. This form often restricts FTL travel to specific 'jump points'.

    Long story short - distances as WE know them now are only limiting us according to our PRESENT day knowledge and available technology.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    sells wrote: »
    grimes, jesus wasnt the alien, a spaceman came travelling to see jebus.

    Depends whether you're a Scientologist or not eh?

    And in fairness, it would be hugely arrogant to assume we're the only and most evolved intelligent life form when we don't really know all that much about the rest of the universe. Hell it could be so infinitely vast that we never do meet "them" but it's kinda cool to think that somewhere out there there might be people/things pondering the very same question.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    They definitely do exist and they definitely are here.

    I'm surprised no-one on here so far has said they've seen anything.

    Myself and a huge group of people saw a flying object one night in college that terrified the bejeesus out of me.

    My whole village saw a very strange spinning disc fly very low one day.

    Wasn't there a ufo seen by a load of people in meath recently? Look at all thousands of people who have seen things that alude to other planets visiting here.

    Also theres a video on youtube where a canadian government minister admits the presence of aliens on the earth, and also admits to the huge cover up america decided to do,it's very interesting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEUmnEVJQk

    The beginning is boring, the good stuff is near the end so watch it all the way through.


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